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#1 Mar 01 2013 at 3:11 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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By that point I was getting tired of the thread and personal attacks on myself and Thayos. The actual thread that ****** Kao off I think was one where someone posted some thoughts on some illicit Beta videos and Bethany1 posted something like "You better ban this SOB Wint" or some such. We do get paid to moderate here, but it's not enough to deal with that kind of bull.


Are you serious? People were talking crap about her left and right, flaming her threads, hijacking. Whatever her pinion may have been, right or wrong, we all have the right to have one; an opinion. Some guy posts some BETA link, and she sarcastically says "Ban the SOB!" or something close to that, and that set you off so hard, that you decided to perma ban someone?

Get off your high horse bros.Let me guess, you are a legacy member right? Figures.

In honor of Bethany1, I will pick up her legacy list and compile it. Bethany1 if you are listening please come back. Send me the names you had so far on the Legacy Ban List so I can add more to them.

Edited, Mar 4th 2013 3:20pm by Wint Lock Thread: Stick a fork in the thread, it's done.
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Is it possible that Poubelle has yet another sock or are there really this many !$@^!&** in one place... wow...
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#3 Mar 01 2013 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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Dunno. Could this one have flown under the radar for 200+ posts?

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Dunno. Could this one have flown under the radar for 200+ posts?



Looked at some of his posts and his writing style is different. Gonna go ahead and say he's just a nutter.
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Get off your high horse bros.Let me guess, you are a legacy member right? Figures


Ironically (maybe), THIS is the point where I downrated you.

Like Bethany before you, it isn't necessarily your opinions that people don't like (although that's probably also a thing), it's this toxic attitude. Unlike a lot of other online communities, Zam users tend to not tolerate this. It's one of the things I really like about Zam actually.

And before you pull out the most predictable card in the entire history of pulling out cards: no, I am not a legacy player.
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Curious to me how this community can go months, if not years, before ARR beta starts with a generally positive atmosphere and constructive place to talk, yet all of a sudden we're inundated with a couple of people who want to rock the boat.
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By that point I was getting tired of the thread and personal attacks on myself and Thayos. The actual thread that ****** Kao off I think was one where someone posted some thoughts on some illicit Beta videos and Bethany1 posted something like "You better ban this SOB Wint" or some such. We do get paid to moderate here, but it's not enough to deal with that kind of bull.


Are you serious? People were talking crap about her left and right, flaming her threads, hijacking. Whatever her pinion may have been, right or wrong, we all have the right to have one; an opinion. Some guy posts some BETA link, and she sarcastically says "Ban the SOB!" or something close to that, and that set you off so hard, that you decided to perma ban someone?

Get off your high horse bros.Let me guess, you are a legacy member right? Figures.

In honor of Bethany1, I will pick up her legacy list and compile it. Bethany1 if you are listening please come back. Send me the names you had so far on the Legacy Ban List so I can add more to them.


No, Bethany1 broke the NDA twice and was warned twice (in spite of all of the warnings posted throughout the forum), then continued to bait the moderators on the site. The thread she commented on was borderline breaking the NDA, he didn't post links to the videos nor did he explain much of what was going on, more of his opinion of what he saw. I ended up nuking the thread anyway because it was a close call and I didn't want people to go too far in the thread discussing beta details. Get all the facts before you climb up on your high horse. If you have a problem with it take it up with Kaolian, I'm not the one who banned her, but we could have, and should have banned her the second time she broke NDA. Technically she broke NDA a third time when she posted the NDA itself, proving my point that you are not even allowed to say you're in the beta.
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#8 Mar 01 2013 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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I'm a legacy player. And I already explained why I am.

Bethany1 got banned because she was very troublesome. Her hatred towards people based on the number of days they paid to play FFXIV past 1.19 was prejudiced beyond the realm of reason.

We have our abrasive types in these forums, and I enjoy debating with them from time to time. Outside of the debates, we know one another are decent people with just different points of view, and would likely even play together if circumstances let it happen. And we know each other.

Bethany never gave the time to get to know anyone, she was spewing NDA violations and hatred towards all legacy members as if they were grown in a vat. That kind of prejudice is not ok by me, nor should it be for anyone.
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I am new to FF xiv but i seriously can not understand why people care if others are legacy or not. From what i read so far in various forums i have no problem with the legacy people. In fact they are a form of "heroes" if XIV was that bad and they kept playing. If you wanted to get the same rewards as they did then you should have spend your money and time in a game that most said is problematic as they did.

People are acting like legacy players are a threat to society and won their place by stealing, **** that's messed up.
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#10Abidtwo, Posted: Mar 01 2013 at 3:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) She never said she was in BETA. In fact she said she was not in beta verbatim. Where are you getting this from?
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She never said she was in BETA. In fact she said she was not in beta verbatim. Where are you getting this from?


ZAM doesn't know who is in beta, and they have no reliable way of confirming who may or may not be regardless of what the poster may claim. As such information disclosures as prohibited by the beta must be applied to all posters, not just those who proclaim to not be under it.

Otherwise you could simply say "I can post this because I'm not in beta and thus I have no NDA" and have free reign to any information you wished to post, thus circumventing the rules.

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In honor of Bethany1, I will pick up her legacy list and compile it.
That's a great idea. I know it isn't much, but can I have your post count when you get yourself banned too?
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Why do you need to compile a Legacy list when you can just ensure you roll onto a Legacy-free server and never, ever, ever encounter any of those icky Legacy people?

It's stupid attention whoring.
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What gets me the most, is that EVERYONE who bought the game had EQUAL opportunity to become a legacy player. They gave EVERYONE fair notice about it. EVERYONE.
If it mattered that much, then these legacy haters should have become one when they had the chance. Now, the real unfair issue here is that we have to put up with all of this complaining.

And before you add my name to your list, i am NOT a legacy player. But, please, PLEASE add my name to your list. Thank You.
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Go ahead and add me to that Legacy player list. Now you have 35,000 or however many there are left to go! Good luck.

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#17 Mar 01 2013 at 5:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Abidtwo wrote:
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By that point I was getting tired of the thread and personal attacks on myself and Thayos. The actual thread that ****** Kao off I think was one where someone posted some thoughts on some illicit Beta videos and Bethany1 posted something like "You better ban this SOB Wint" or some such. We do get paid to moderate here, but it's not enough to deal with that kind of bull.


Are you serious? People were talking crap about her left and right, flaming her threads, hijacking. Whatever her pinion may have been, right or wrong, we all have the right to have one; an opinion. Some guy posts some BETA link, and she sarcastically says "Ban the SOB!" or something close to that, and that set you off so hard, that you decided to perma ban someone?

Get off your high horse bros.Let me guess, you are a legacy member right? Figures.

In honor of Bethany1, I will pick up her legacy list and compile it. Bethany1 if you are listening please come back. Send me the names you had so far on the Legacy Ban List so I can add more to them.


No, Bethany1 broke the NDA twice and was warned twice (in spite of all of the warnings posted throughout the forum), then continued to bait the moderators on the site. The thread she commented on was borderline breaking the NDA, he didn't post links to the videos nor did he explain much of what was going on, more of his opinion of what he saw. I ended up nuking the thread anyway because it was a close call and I didn't want people to go too far in the thread discussing beta details. Get all the facts before you climb up on your high horse. If you have a problem with it take it up with Kaolian, I'm not the one who banned her, but we could have, and should have banned her the second time she broke NDA. Technically she broke NDA a third time when she posted the NDA itself, proving my point that you are not even allowed to say you're in the beta.


She never said she was in BETA. In fact she said she was not in beta verbatim. Where are you getting this from?


Several nuked threads that are not visible anymore.
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What gets me the most, is that EVERYONE who bought the game had EQUAL opportunity to become a legacy player. They gave EVERYONE fair notice about it. EVERYONE.
If it mattered that much, then these legacy haters should have become one when they had the chance. Now, the real unfair issue here is that we have to put up with all of this complaining.

And before you add my name to your list, i am NOT a legacy player. But, please, PLEASE add my name to your list. Thank You.


Well, some people who were patiently waiting for the PS3 version may feel a little left out of the opportunity for a great deal like this.

But otherwise, you're absolutely right. I approve of SE's fundraising tactics and customer appreciation, even if I'm not legacy myself.
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As a person waiting for PS3 I do feel a bit left out. But I don't hold it against legacy people. If I had the urge I could have upgraded and paid for 1.0 but I didn't.

A consolation prize would be nice though. Maybe a vanity pet cactuar lol
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As a person waiting for PS3 I do feel a bit left out. But I don't hold it against legacy people. If I had the urge I could have upgraded and paid for 1.0 but I didn't.

A consolation prize would be nice though. Maybe a vanity pet cactuar lol

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Not that I've been 1 to complain about it either. That was cool of them to offer some worthwhile perks. I've seen some **** poor bonus items & perks from legacy/CE-type stuff over the years. It's like "Here's some crap nobody really wants. We appreciate your continued business!"
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I am not Legacy but please add me to your list.
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I'm legacy. Played the game since the first day any type of server went live. 2nd person registered in forums; perhaps 3rd. Wife's legacy as well; though she thought 1.0 should burn and die because of how bad it was at launch, when 2.0 comes out she will try it again :)

I don't think the attitude problems on any of the forums is a issue of legacy. It's a issue of near fully jacked twits who whack it to MLP and suffer from entitlement; and sadly there's lots of them on the forum. It also doesn't help that many want XI 2.0 (hard core in your face, lose weight from malnutrition; drop camping and leveling grinds)

Give them some power such as legacy and you have the holy grail of nuckfuts. Welcome to my world >.> I thought zam was bad *at times* (such as dustbin and **** myself before); but the official forums is a cesspool.
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Wint or any other mod can ban whoever they want. End of story.
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By that point I was getting tired of the thread and personal attacks on myself and Thayos. The actual thread that ****** Kao off I think was one where someone posted some thoughts on some illicit Beta videos and Bethany1 posted something like "You better ban this SOB Wint" or some such. We do get paid to moderate here, but it's not enough to deal with that kind of bull.


Are you serious? People were talking crap about her left and right, flaming her threads, hijacking. Whatever her pinion may have been, right or wrong, we all have the right to have one; an opinion. Some guy posts some BETA link, and she sarcastically says "Ban the SOB!" or something close to that, and that set you off so hard, that you decided to perma ban someone?


Ack, I figured I might get some poo-pooing from my post, but I didn't think I would start a dramafest <.<. I won't lose any sleep over it though, seems like there were prior issues. I guess I'll go back to finding info on my own and creeping the forum >.>.
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I think the reason we piled on Bethany (as well as the other potential sockpuppets) was this.

If you're the new person at a party, and you stand there and start loudly criticizing the decor of the guest of the party, and nobody except one dude that no one else really likes even knows who you are, the rest of the party's guests are going to be offended. Especially when you start spouting off that half of the house guests who were invited to some other party called Legacy were all arrogant entitled pricks and you wanted nothing to do with them. And then you start asking if anyone has any drugs.

Who are the house guests going to start arguing with? Who is the owner of the house going to eject from the party?

Newbies are welcome in this forum, but it's better to ask simple questions, give simple answers, and be congenial to everyone until your post count is above fifty or you've been rated up enough to hit scholar.

Newbies who start flinging poo on their first post will be taunted. Simple as that.

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It's quite simple really. If you are giving **** to my admins, are making a constant effort to disrupt the site and annoy other posters, and yet you only have 20 posts of questionable redeaming value to your name, you're probably going to eat a ban. If anyone has a particular problem with that, please feel free to take it up with me.

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Oh, and just to be certain. I do not believe Kaolain is a Legacy Player at all. I'm open to being corrected on this, mind you.

Oh a side note, I've been acquainted with Kao for going on seven or so years now, (back when you could rate down admins, remember that one Kao? ) and in that time I've gone from being completely confrontational to him, to being "Hey, that post was awesome."

I ain't afraid of critiquing these guys on forum features and administrative actions either. But I can stand up for this one. Bethany1 got what was coming to her.

That said, I think the final word on this issue has been spoken. Request to Lock.
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Why are we talking about bethany as if "she" wasn't the most obvious sock puppet in the history of sock puppetry?
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Why are we talking about bethany as if "she" wasn't the most obvious sock puppet in the history of sock puppetry?


Mostly because of the different posting styles, email addresses, and IP addresses. In all likelyhood she really was someone that Poubelle knew, and probably coerced into harassing us Smiley: tongue

I think the lock request is a good idea, so I will lock.
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