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#1 Mar 31 2013 at 7:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd really hate to have to mute anyone.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2013 2:16pm by Fleven Lock Thread: This has degenerated to namecalling.
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#2 Mar 31 2013 at 8:12 AM Rating: Default
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?????

NDA stuff?
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whats a necropost? :P
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?????

NDA stuff?


No, posting in old threads and bumping them back up to the top. Nothing NDA related.
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Bring up a previously addressed topic: "Go find an old thread!"
Post in an old thread: "Stop necroposting!"

The key is to keep making the same discussions over and over again, but with synonyms. It's better to constantly begin the same discussion anew than to continue it from where it left off, for some reason.


Edited, Apr 1st 2013 12:04pm by KaneKitty
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One solution would be to lock year old topics. That way the info will still be there but we wont be able to post in them.
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KaneKitty wrote:
Bring up a previously addressed topic: "Go find an old thread!"
Post in an old thread: "Stop necroposting!"

The key is to keep making the same discussions over and over again, but with synonyms. It's better constantly begin the same discussion anew than to continue it from where it left off, for some reason.


Who has said to go find an old thread? Every topic being discussed today is covered in the first 2 pages.
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Bring up a previously addressed topic: "Go find an old thread!"
Post in an old thread: "Stop necroposting!"

The key is to keep making the same discussions over and over again, but with synonyms. It's better constantly begin the same discussion anew than to continue it from where it left off, for some reason.


Who has said to go find an old thread? Every topic being discussed today is covered in the first 2 pages.


No one in particular that I've personally seen lately, not on this board anyway.

But it is something that's come up from time to time, in the general sense. Whether by searching and just posting to what appeared the most relevant (regardless of date) or because someone specifically said "there's a thread for that already" or something. The WoW forums used to be rife with that kind of stuff, especially the latter.
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KaneKitty wrote:
Bring up a previously addressed topic: "Go find an old thread!"
Post in an old thread: "Stop necroposting!"

The key is to keep making the same discussions over and over again, but with synonyms. It's better constantly begin the same discussion anew than to continue it from where it left off, for some reason.


Yeah I really never got the issue with necroposting. It has the same ability to stimulate conversation as any new post does.
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So new post > keeping a topic going that already exists.
Got it.
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I agree, if it's just someone trolling then you shouldn't but often when I read a necropost it's someone who has stumbled across something they find interesting or actually taken the time to search for something. If a game (1.0) has been around quite some time and someone joins after 18 months it's very likely that they may be guilty of necroposting. I do not think it serves any of us if someone is just bumping their own thread or not contributing anything other than to just agree etc.
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I guess it was a bit random in this case because the discussion was in regards to 1.0 content, so it wasn't really a relevant thread to bump. dunno why it would be worth getting muted over though.
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I guess it was a bit random in this case because the discussion was in regards to 1.0 content, so it wasn't really a relevant thread to bump. dunno why it would be worth getting muted over though.


So just erase the entire 1.0 archive.

Amirite?

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We can deal with non-FFXIV related topics, and we can can keep around the obvious trolls on the forum because "there isn't a lot going on right now", but posting in an older thread (even if it is sometimes relevant) is mute worthy?

Smiley: dubious

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I did it... Unless I started a trend of NecroPosting... I commented on the "What GM's do in thier spare time..." thread. However, I think people should read it because I have it booked marked now and really enjoy reading it.

Anyway, sorry, Wint.
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So new post > keeping a topic going that already exists.
Got it.


I don't think necroposting qualifies as "keeping a post going"... especially since they're usually months or years old.

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Folks are more forgiving of necroposts when the new respondent starts off with, "Hey I know this is a really old topic, but the topic is still relevant and I can't find an answer anywhere else. Help!"
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I did it... Unless I started a trend of NecroPosting... I commented on the "What GM's do in thier spare time..." thread. However, I think people should read it because I have it booked marked now and really enjoy reading it.

Anyway, sorry, Wint.


Wasn't yours.

The two posts in question was 1) Ostia crowing about Wada quitting and 2) Ishihara responding to a thread that was 3 years old and arguing to a person who hasn't posted in 2 years.

I would rather have new threads started than old because in both of these threads the info was incredibly dated and no longer relevant, and the posts that did the necro-bump weren't even related to a specific argument being made (well, Ishihara was going on about how he thinks ARR sucks so that wasn't anything new either). So yes, make new threads. I'm glad we all understand each other.

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So if Square announces a necromancer job... Would it be in poor taste to announce it via necropost?
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So if Square announces a necromancer job... Would it be in poor taste to announce it via necropost?


If you could find an old thread already discussing XIV Jobs, I would appreciate the irony Smiley: tongue
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#21onineko, Posted: Mar 31 2013 at 7:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow FFXIV is going to have necromancer job? Was this leaked. I couldn't find it on the FFXIV NA site and i cant read Japanese to look at the JP site.
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Early beta indicated that a Necromancer job was in the works... But then they realized that the WHM was filling this niche already. The Conj/WHM was raising dead party members and sending them to kill monsters and bosses throughout the world. They realized that implementing a class that resurrected monsters in the world and sent them to their inevitable doom was ill-conceived and emulated an existing class/job model, and that further implementation could gravely threaten the Conjurer and White Magi found throughout the World.
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If you don't want people to necropost then do your job and close all threads you think are not relevant anymore. Cannot be that hard, can it? What you get now is that some poor soul reads up about some three months old topic - or some post that falls into your definition of and responds to it... and you're going to mute him or her. Is that what you really want, or so you just want to stop necroposting?

Come on, you cannot be that lazy, Win, right?
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Or you can be personally responsible for yourselves instead of needing a babysitter.

Just a thought.
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Or you can be personally responsible for yourselves instead of needing a babysitter.

Just a thought.


Well, think twice then. If a person wants to prevent something from happening he or she might be better off by making sure something will not happen, especially when there is room for dispute.
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Well, think twice then.
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Well, think twice then.
Why waste time when I was right the first time?


Are you quoting Milton Berle?

Man, your material IS getting old.
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I don't know, it still made me laugh.. ^^ Smiley: laugh
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Man, your material IS getting old.
Doesn't make it any less true. Smiley: smile
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If you don't want people to necropost then do your job and close all threads you think are not relevant anymore. Cannot be that hard, can it? What you get now is that some poor soul reads up about some three months old topic - or some post that falls into your definition of and responds to it... and you're going to mute him or her. Is that what you really want, or so you just want to stop necroposting?

Come on, you cannot be that lazy, Win, right?


Actually I would have to lock them all manually, one at a time, so yes, it would be a LOT of work. The devs are too busy to worry about implementing some system when really you people could act like grown ups and listen when I ask you to do something (or not do something as it may be).

This isn't a blanket rule, you can save your self-righteous indignation, obviously I'm not trying to be an *** here but there were two bumps within a few hours of each other for reasons other than you have descibed above (I've already explained the posts that were necrobumps and I think we can all agree they weren't for any good reason). I wanted to end it before people thought they could just bump whatever threads they felt like. The forum regulars should know that necroposting isn't welcome, a new person searching for info with a legitimate question will be fine. ****, if you find an old thread with a legitimate discussion that applies to the current state of the game (read: not related to 1.0) that's fine as well, just use your best judgement. I can't believe people are getting their panties in a twist over this.
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Man, your material IS getting old.
Doesn't make it any less true. Smiley: smile


Don't mistake the irony of a necrojoke for the truth, lolgaxe. Smiley: laugh
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If you don't want people to necropost then do your job and close all threads you think are not relevant anymore. Cannot be that hard, can it? What you get now is that some poor soul reads up about some three months old topic - or some post that falls into your definition of and responds to it... and you're going to mute him or her. Is that what you really want, or so you just want to stop necroposting?

Come on, you cannot be that lazy, Win, right?


Actually I would have to lock them all manually, one at a time, so yes, it would be a LOT of work. The devs are too busy to worry about implementing some system when really you people could act like grown ups and listen when I ask you to do something (or not do something as it may be).

This isn't a blanket rule, you can save your self-righteous indignation, obviously I'm not trying to be an *** here but there were two bumps within a few hours of each other for reasons other than you have descibed above (I've already explained the posts that were necrobumps and I think we can all agree they weren't for any good reason). I wanted to end it before people thought they could just bump whatever threads they felt like. The forum regulars should know that necroposting isn't welcome, a new person searching for info with a legitimate question will be fine. ****, if you find an old thread with a legitimate discussion that applies to the current state of the game (read: not related to 1.0) that's fine as well, just use your best judgement. I can't believe people are getting their panties in a twist over this.


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Doesn't make it any less true. Smiley: smile
Don't mistake the irony of a necrojoke for the truth, lolgaxe. Smiley: laugh
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If you don't want people to necropost then do your job and close all threads you think are not relevant anymore. Cannot be that hard, can it? What you get now is that some poor soul reads up about some three months old topic - or some post that falls into your definition of and responds to it... and you're going to mute him or her. Is that what you really want, or so you just want to stop necroposting?

Come on, you cannot be that lazy, Win, right?


Actually I would have to lock them all manually, one at a time, so yes, it would be a LOT of work. The devs are too busy to worry about implementing some system when really you people could act like grown ups and listen when I ask you to do something (or not do something as it may be).

This isn't a blanket rule, you can save your self-righteous indignation, obviously I'm not trying to be an *** here but there were two bumps within a few hours of each other for reasons other than you have descibed above (I've already explained the posts that were necrobumps and I think we can all agree they weren't for any good reason). I wanted to end it before people thought they could just bump whatever threads they felt like. The forum regulars should know that necroposting isn't welcome, a new person searching for info with a legitimate question will be fine. ****, if you find an old thread with a legitimate discussion that applies to the current state of the game (read: not related to 1.0) that's fine as well, just use your best judgement. I can't believe people are getting their panties in a twist over this.


Technically we are not the ones getting our panties in a twist.... You Are. And second i had no idea about this "Rules" or w/e, also is better than discussing Fp2/P2P/B2P in every damm topic :/
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I'm totally going to necropost this thread in a year.

What will I be doing in a year?


and there's my premise ... Smiley: nod

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whats a necropost? :P

I will come back and post in this thread in two years to let you know Smiley: grin
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whats a necropost? :P

I will come back and post in this thread in two years to let you know Smiley: grin


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I will come back and post in this thread in two years to let you know Smiley: grin


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I think I'll bookmark this thread so I can check it in 1, 2, and 4 years. Also, just to see if you people are still around.
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So I just figured out we are not really getting Necromancer. :\
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This isn't a blanket rule, you can save your self-righteous indignation, obviously I'm not trying to be an *** here but there were two bumps within a few hours of each other for reasons other than you have descibed above (I've already explained the posts that were necrobumps and I think we can all agree they weren't for any good reason). I wanted to end it before people thought they could just bump whatever threads they felt like. The forum regulars should know that necroposting isn't welcome, a new person searching for info with a legitimate question will be fine. ****, if you find an old thread with a legitimate discussion that applies to the current state of the game (read: not related to 1.0) that's fine as well, just use your best judgement. I can't believe people are getting their panties in a twist over this.


The actual blanket rule that covers necroposting from the official forum rules is this one:

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Posts that deliberately render the forum unreadable, such as efforts to force threads off the page, extremely large blank spaces (multiple line returns) to make users take longer to scroll to the next post, Quote stacks (multiple copies of the same quote over and over again in a single post) and quote “pyramids” of extreme size are unacceptable and will be immediately removed.

Breaking the forum filters (i.e. the swear filter, bad link filter, etc) is also not allowed. The filters are there for a reason, please do not attempt to bypass them, especially in the Gaming forums and the Out of Topic Forum.

Necroposting: The act of posting in an extremely old thread for the sole purpose of bringing it to the foreground of the forum to disrupt the existing threads is considered necroposting, and is prohibited. Extremely old is a subjective term, to be determined by the administrators. Threads that are legitimately, or accidentally necroposted in may be left at the discretion of the admin. Deliberately necroposted threads will be returned to the page from where they came, and may be locked if necessary.

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Necroposting: The act of posting in an extremely old thread for the sole purpose of bringing it to the foreground of the forum to disrupt the existing threads is considered necroposting, and is prohibited. Extremely old is a subjective term, to be determined by the administrators. Threads that are legitimately, or accidentally necroposted in may be left at the discretion of the admin. Deliberately necroposted threads will be returned to the page from where they came, and may be locked if necessary.


The underlined portion is the important part, as it distinguishes between someone posting in an old thread from someone posting for "troll" reasons. In effect, it is that small part that really defines a necropost. And it would seem that at least one of the posts in question was made not to deliberately disrupt front page threads, but to add a snarky something to an old discussion (that is, to poke fun at the fact that the suggestion of Wada's resignation actually came true months later).

A necropost is not the deliberate revival of an old topic, it is the deliberate revival of an old topicin order to obscure or otherwise bury other threads.

The question is whether the "necroposts" in question fit this designation...

edit: meh, what I said has really been covered already. I hope I'm not necroposting on the topic. :P

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If you don't want people to necropost then do your job and close all threads you think are not relevant anymore. Cannot be that hard, can it? What you get now is that some poor soul reads up about some three months old topic - or some post that falls into your definition of and responds to it... and you're going to mute him or her. Is that what you really want, or so you just want to stop necroposting?

Come on, you cannot be that lazy, Win, right?


You really come off as a whiny, immature punk.
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