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#1 Apr 08 2013 at 8:46 AM Rating: Default
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I've been advertising ARR to my friends a bit, and the general consensus appears to be that the game is just too expensive.

They will need to buy a $30 or $40 copy of the game, then spend $15 a month after that. Basically, they don't want to risk wasting that much money, since the game already failed once...

Do you think Square Enix is asking for too much? If so, what would be more fair pricing?
#2 Apr 08 2013 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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Not really, no. It's too expensive for people who shouldn't be spending money on an MMO if they find $15+/month non-legacy expensive. "What would be fair pricing" to the gamers of today is a fully packed game for free which is why they state any MMO that isn't F2P will fail.

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Not at all, any new game is $60 a pop, but considering this is an MMO, it will be $40-50 and 14.99 is the standard MMO fee.

So not to expensive.
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#4 Apr 08 2013 at 8:53 AM Rating: Default
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I know that it would be fair pricing for an entirely new game, but ARR still has the XIV name attached, and people apparently would feel 'ripped off' if they had to pay a high retail price for a game that came out years ago.
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I know that it would be fair pricing for an entirely new game, but ARR still has the XIV name attached, and people apparently would feel 'ripped off' if they had to pay a high retail price for a game that came out years ago.

Good thing they don't have to.
P.S.: Games in the bargain bin are there because they belong there. FFXIV does not.

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 11:02am by Rinsui
#6 Apr 08 2013 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
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Then they should wait for reviews? Or even better try it out in open beta first before purchasing? Common price point so tell your friends to check out open beta.....
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What's with all these broke-*** gamers lately? Seems like people are just so accustomed to paying NOTHING that they fool themselves into thinking a typical subscription game is "expensive." Even if you only play it for 3 months, with the up front costs, that's about $30 a month for unlimited playtime. If you don't feel you're getting your money's worth with that, you should be working more and playing less.

I dropped that cash on MMOs when I was a broke college student all the time.
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What's with all these broke-*** gamers lately?


They're growing up and got cut off from mommy/daddy/sugar daddy credit card.

#9 Apr 08 2013 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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What about rewording that title into "Am I too cheap?"
You'd get a lot more positive comments for that one.
#10 Apr 08 2013 at 9:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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No, it's not too expensive, when you consider the total hours of game play.

A brand new good modern day game can bring in 80-100 hours of game play for $60, for at least one or two play throughs. Sixty cents an hour. Most people will spam through at least their first play through in a month.

ARR will be $50 on PS3. They make up for the cost of the initial game with 30 days of free play time. So the first month, assuming you play 20 hours a week (low end for an MMO) puts it on par at 80 hours a month with any other new PS3 game in terms of cost per hour. After the second month, the cost per hour of game play drops dramatically.

So, ARR is commiserate with prices of any other PS3 game, and becomes a veritable entertainment bargain by the second month.
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Lol Killa asks all the tough questions
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No, it's not too expensive, when you consider the total hours of game play.

A brand new good modern day game can bring in 80-100 hours of game play for $60, for at least one or two play throughs. Sixty cents an hour. Most people will spam through at least their first play through in a month.

ARR will be $50 on PS3. They make up for the cost of the initial game with 30 days of free play time. So the first month, assuming you play 20 hours a week (low end for an MMO) puts it on par at 80 hours a month with any other new PS3 game in terms of cost per hour. After the second month, the cost per hour of game play drops dramatically.

So, ARR is commiserate with prices of any other PS3 game, and becomes a veritable entertainment bargain by the second month.


ARR on PS3 is 40 not 50


I just noticed this is a Killua topic... god why did I even reply to this.. oh well.

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So, even cheaper compared to a one use game.
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I'll leave this open for now but I was pretty sure that everyone would be responding the way they did. If it degenerates into flaming though I'll lock it.

OT: no, it's not too expensive. I'm going to buy a second copy so my wife can give it a try and I feel it will be a worthy investment even if she decides it's not for her.
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#16 Apr 08 2013 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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If we look it as a new game that didn't have XIV none would say its too expensive. Its a normal payout 15 a month. Now if we take into accord that it has XIV some yes may say that. But that doesn't mean it really is. People who say that without seeing the game are not really kin into playing. I bet my money if for a or b reason increase in popularity they will try it.

But seriously you've said you've been advertising the game, you yourself don't believe that the game is gonna be good enough. If i believe something is not good i won't even mention it to my friends.
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ITT: Killua is worried.
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#18 Apr 08 2013 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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Killua125 wrote:
I've been advertising ARR to my friends a bit, and the general consensus appears to be that the game is just too expensive.

They will need to buy a $30 or $40 copy of the game, then spend $15 a month after that. Basically, they don't want to risk wasting that much money, since the game already failed once...

Do you think Square Enix is asking for too much? If so, what would be more fair pricing?


No.

Also, you've been advertising this game? If your advertisements are as negative as your posts, who can blame them...

And finally, everyone can just play the beta in Phase 4. Everyone. So.... 40 bucks and 2 months free. Sounds way overpriced to me...

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 12:20pm by Louiscool
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#19 Apr 08 2013 at 10:47 AM Rating: Default
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ITT: Killua is worried.


I am!

lol, at the people saying I'm too cheap... I already own the game.
#20 Apr 08 2013 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sure It's too much money if they don't want to play it. Its a lot of money to pay for a game you don't want to play. So for people that don't want to play FFXIV, it costs too much to play.

For people that want to play FFXIV though, the price is fine.

Actually, I remember finding it interesting, years back, that getting into FFXI actually saved me a lot of money. I went a pretty long time without buying any retail games. Just paid my subscription fee and played FFXI whenever I wanted to play. I don't think an MMO is a substitute for all other games, but I would definitely say that they are a very cheap way to play games. And I'm specifically referring to Pay2play, because you really do get a substantial amount of content for your subscription fee.

So is the price too much? no.

Was it a stupid question to begin with? It's not for me to judge. [.....but probably yes]
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#21 Apr 08 2013 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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I mean, ok... let's play our game.

Bioshock Infinite is $60.
FFXIV:ARR is $40 (probably) plus a $15/month subscription fee after the first month.

That means that after a two month period of time, ARR has cost you $55. Did Bioshock Infinite entertain you for two solid months? Probably not. It's good, but after 30-40 hours, you're done.

A two month time period is plenty of time to decide whether or not you'd like to continue paying for the game. And even if you decide not to, hey, two months of gameplay for less than the cost of a triple-A title.
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#22 Apr 08 2013 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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Killua125 wrote:
(Here is a rehashing of what I've exclusively talked about the past couple weeks in a new thread)


It's an MMO with a subscription. It has a far cheaper start up cost than WoW. It is cheaper than it's primary competitor. What else is there to say?

In my opinion and case MMOs with subs are cheaper than normal gaming habits. I don't buy new games when I have an MMO to occupy my time and that saves me money in the long run when I pick up titles a year or two down the line for $20. Obviously it is more expensive than a non MMO, but that's part of the territory.

If you want this to turn into another F2P vs P2P "discussion" then you might want to go to a different forum for that, as I'm pretty sure everyone is too busy (NDA) the (NDA) to bother. <.<
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#23 Apr 08 2013 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah I save a lot of money when I have an MMO to subscribe to. Used to be FFXI but lately I just don't have the time to sit down and get anything meaningful done. I'd love to finish my Empyrean weapon, but I'm just not excited about having to beg my friends to help me kill 2 NM's over and over again (not to mention getting the KI for them), even though they're awesome people and wouldn't mind.
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#24 Apr 08 2013 at 11:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bottom line is, none of this stuff really matters. The name of the game was tarnished with V1.0. But that doesn't really matter. If the new game is good and it gets good reviews, and most of the people that play it say that its excellent, than people will come play it, and it will be popular.

No one is gonna say to themselves "well, the game is universally praised, and it looks great, but that old version from two years ago was supposed to be really bad, so I don't want to play it anymore." No ones gonna say that.

The only thing that really matters is the quality of the new game when it comes out, and how it's received by players and reviewers. If it's very good than they will build a subscriber base over time. I'm pretty sure Yoshi-P said something along these lines as well, and I think it makes perfect sense.

If the game is not as good as it looks right now than it may very well crash and burn. But I won't really care, because it's not good, so it won't matter to me what happens to it. Very simple. Nothing to worry about.

I think Killua is in dire need of some weed.
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Haha, agreed Wint. I started playing with my g/f again last summer and we couldn't even begin to get those done with just us two. OF course she and I both had the hardest ones made that way for no foreseeable reason (dagger and h2h). Most of our time was spent getting me up to par from when i quit shortly after WOTG... man, if only i kept playing and had all of BLU's spells since then...
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#26 Apr 08 2013 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've been advertising ARR to my friends a bit


I'm not going to lie. This worries me.
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