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#102 Apr 11 2013 at 8:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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2 Long Island Ice Teas 2 shots of grey goose.. $50 bucks
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We're very lucky to have not one, but two world class beer pubs here in town (one got ranked #11 on the planet last year. I have reservations for May 10, graduation day, for a reason. Woo, master's degree!)

I can actually only hold about four beers before I hit the danger zone, but that's assuming full 12-16 oz pours. The beer pubs offer tastes and 3 oz pours as well as half pours. On casks nights at Aroma's I'll just ask the waitress to start me at the top of the menu for a 3 oz pour and work my way down til I've hit all ten taps. Smiley: nod
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#104 Apr 11 2013 at 9:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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My spouse and I have never been inside of a bar or pub, and we'd both rather spend the money on fruity (possibly alcoholic) beverages and candy.

Sometimes it feels as though we're still children. Oh, well, time to pre-order Pokémon X and Y...
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****, if you drink the kind of beer I drink, a $50 tab is not unheard of by the time the night is over.

Mmmmmm craft beer.


There's always the less often but entirely enjoyable and often more economical other option to running up a tab on craft beer, Cat; making your own! Smiley: nod

It's entirely enjoyable and utterly addictive, becoming one of us initiated into the alchemy of homebrewing. Smiley: grin
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We actually have a few home brew suppliers around here. But it's kind of hard to get into it when I there's a beer factory two blocks from my office. (Oh Terrapin, you are so delicious to me...) No matter what I do, they're always gonna do better.
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#107 Apr 11 2013 at 11:14 PM Rating: Good
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Catwho, does homebrew taste significantly better than the commercialized beer? I'm only a social drinker so I'm curious. I only ask because I know fast food, tastes inferior to good home cooking. So I was wondering if they put all that Tender, Love, and Care into making beer.
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To me (I know, I'm stealing the question from Catwho), homebrew is often superior to commercial because it's unique, personal, and you can make it however you want. There are, of course, some microbrew and craftbrew locales that can offer quite a competitive option if they have something that you like, but you lose some of the pride and fun of having made it with your own two hands. Also, the alchemy (for lack of a sufficiently fun alternate term for it) of brewing is just FUN!

I also take the opportunity to explore all sorts of concoctions that can be made; for instance I also ferment mead and if I do say so it is delicious Smiley: smile

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Beer is gross.
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Beer is gross.


I don't really care for it either. Guiness is the only one I drink with any regularity. I'm not really an alcohol fan at all, but if pressed, I generally lean towards whisky and scotch.
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I don't like hard liquor either, actually. Most of it tastes like diesel.

I can put away some Long Islands though.
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#113 Apr 12 2013 at 12:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't like hard liquor either, actually. Most of it tastes like diesel.

I can put away some Long Islands though.


I recently stayed a few weeks at an Embassy Suites in California. Free happy hour from 5-7, including hand mixed Long Islands. I managed not to embarrass myself, but only just. lol
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#114 Apr 12 2013 at 12:17 AM Rating: Default
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Jesus where do you guys get your bear ? Bear is like 1.75-2.00 where i live Smiley: lol
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Jesus where do you guys get your bear ? Bear is like 1.75-2.00 where i live Smiley: lol


Craft beer like they're talking about is way more expensive because it's a very small batch.

$1.50-$3.00 pulls of Buttwiper or PBR is pretty common though.
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Medalla is only $0.25 Here XD!
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Kaiser beer best beer, and yes its more expensive than usual but still awesome to drink!
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Wayyy to rich for meeeeeeeeeeeee D:
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#119 Apr 12 2013 at 5:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Our local brewery

The Dark Side Vanilla Porter is my favorite. Fallen Angel is quite tasty too.
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Sixpoint Gorilla Warfare Porter. Smiley: inlove
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The cheapest craft brew around here would be from Copper Creek, a microbrewery that does $2 pint Tuesdays. Normally, their house brews are $3 each for 16 oz, which isn't bad. And it's straight from the tank to the tap, so you get the freshness of home brew without any of the mess.
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I' don't like beer on it's own taste. I usually drink it with or w/o Italian food, mostly pizza. I go with spanish imports which tend to have less salt and I mix that into a chillada or salt/lemon chaser.

For liquor or wine I can't stand the high proof ones. For me the as the proof rises, I can taste rubbing alcohol more and more.

Margaritas, Daquiris, Pina Colada, Tom Collins, and Real Sangria are my favs.
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I got a bottle of Knob Creek bourbon on a friend's recommendation and my first sip had me spluttering. Apparently I had grabbed the 9 year old single barrel reserve small batch that is 100 proof. Felt like I was breathing fire every time I exhaled.

After that it was back to Bulleit for me.
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I do like a nice cider. J.K.'s is my favorite.
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One good steak dinner for two will cost you more than the entry cost for this game - just saying.
#126 Apr 12 2013 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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#127 Apr 12 2013 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jesus where do you guys get your bear ? Bear is like 1.75-2.00 where i live Smiley: lol


To be fair, that's still a pretty bad price for huge, predatory beasts.
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Yogi Beer and Boo Booze.
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Ostia wrote:
Jesus where do you guys get your bear ? Bear is like 1.75-2.00 where i live Smiley: lol


To be fair, that's still a pretty bad price for huge, predatory beasts.


Thank you. It was driving me nuts that no one caught that typo in the comments.
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Ostia wrote:
Jesus where do you guys get your bear ? Bear is like 1.75-2.00 where i live Smiley: lol


To be fair, that's still a pretty bad price for huge, predatory beasts.


:( Why Kane Why! :(
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to be honest i prefer a subscription based game. And if you think about it, if you actually use the cash shop in a free to play game, it costs you MORE money than a subscription based game. For example, at one point i was playing a game called flyff. free to play, but at one point they released a vanity item that was a snowboard. for around 70$. yes 70$. and i saw people with it. That was like 5 or 6 months of a ffxi subscription.

at least when i'm paying a subscription fee i know i have access to all the conent the game offers with no limitation. It also includes a guarantee of good service (sometimes **** happens though).

The only free to play game i know of that has a good free to play model is TERA. There isn't many limitations on what you can do with a free account, and you can't pay to win in the cash shop, it's all vanity items.
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Smiley: lol
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Is XIV too expensive? No. It falls in line with just about any other subscription based MMO.

Is XIV worth the monthly fee when compared to the service you could get from other simarly priced MMOs? I think that's a better question to ask here and one that will likely be the deciding factor for most people. I know that players who already purchased the game will get a free month of service, but I'm hoping (for their sake) SE will decide to have a free trial that will introduce new players to the game without them having to plunk down the cost of the packaging.

I'm reserving judgement until after release, but I think it would be fair to say that there is a large gap between where XIV 1.0 was and where ARR will need to be if it's going to compete based on the level of service and content offered by the competition.
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Quit trying to derail the thread, Filth; we all know that the discussion is on various alcoholic beverages of varied sources and their comparative deliciousness. Smiley: tongue
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Is XIV too expensive? No. It falls in line with just about any other subscription based MMO.

Is XIV worth the monthly fee when compared to the service you could get from other simarly priced MMOs? I think that's a better question to ask here and one that will likely be the deciding factor for most people. I know that players who already purchased the game will get a free month of service, but I'm hoping (for their sake) SE will decide to have a free trial that will introduce new players to the game without them having to plunk down the cost of the packaging.

I'm reserving judgement until after release, but I think it would be fair to say that there is a large gap between where XIV 1.0 was and where ARR will need to be if it's going to compete based on the level of service and content offered by the competition.


Yep. That's more what I was asking... if the $15 is too much when people think about what they can get elsewhere.

I think the bottom line is that the inclusion of a few Final Fantasy symbols isn't enough to warrant a subscription over other similar games anymore.

The issue with Yoshi-P's direction is that he didn't take any risks, and he has a cookie cutter game that you could find from a bunch of other companies. Forget about an totally unique innovative game, I'm not even asking for that much. There isn't even a single feature that you can't find in a bunch of other games, under a different name.

The only big MMORPGs that get any success these days have at least one unique, defining aspect that they use as a hook for marketing. ARR has nothing like that.

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There isn't even a single feature that you can't find in a bunch of other games, under a different name.


Name me another game that lets you change classes simply by equipping a different weapon.

Actually, aside from FFXI, are there any MMOs that allow class changes at all?
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Name me another game that lets you change classes simply by equipping a different weapon.

Actually, aside from FFXI, are there any MMOs that allow class changes at all?


Plenty.

I've never heard of one that does one weapon per one class, but that seems more like a restriction than a feature.
#138 Apr 12 2013 at 5:56 PM Rating: Good
What are all of these "cookie-cutter games" that have had so much success? Not WoW success of course, but there aren't that many great MMO's out there at the moment. A lot fo MMO's these days suffer from some sort of significant flaw. Pacing in DCUO, endgame in SWtoR, pacing in GW2, lack of a whole lot of anything in FFXIV 1.0, to name a few of the big ones. If SE manages to release a game that can be really good at a couple things, avoid being particularly bad in any one thing, and average in everything else, then they have a much better chance of being a successful game. I think we can all agree that a "success" for FFXIV: ARR is not necessarily WoW numbers, but a steady subscription base of 700k~ people. I think if they can keep their lowest score on any gameplay mechanic above a 6, they should have no problem reaching that goal (barring some insane new OMGWTF game coming out that buries all the other MMO's).
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What are all of these "cookie-cutter games" that have had so much success?


None. That was kind of my point. These MMORPGs that keep getting pumped out in the dozens per year really don't get a whole of success.

The only MMORPGs that sell well these days are the ones that have a few unique features and make those features the whole focus of their marketing and hype.

XIV doesn't have a single feature like that, which is why I think we're seeing stuff like Terra's Theme fanservice. They have no idea how to get people interested in their game.
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What are all of these "cookie-cutter games" that have had so much success?


None. That was kind of my point. These MMORPGs that keep getting pumped out in the dozens per year really don't get a whole of success.

The only MMORPGs that sell well these days are the ones that have a few unique features and make those features the whole focus of their marketing and hype.

XIV doesn't have a single feature like that, which is why I think we're seeing stuff like Terra's Theme fanservice. They have no idea how to get people interested in their game.


I would argue that they know exactly how to get people interested in their game. FF fans anyway Smiley: sly Final Fantasy has also never had a huge presence the likes of Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Halo, Madden, WoW, etc. Their games tend to sell higher than average, but not in record breaking amounts like those I listed before. I don't believe RPG's will ever have that kind of presence in the gaming market, due to the "nerd stigma" attached to them. Whether that status is deserved or not is irrelevant, but it is still a relative factor on sales.

SE, I believe, knows they are first and foremost an RPG gaming company and will have to be content with what spoils that brings. They can do their best to top that market, but in RPG's each niche has it's own leader. WoW for MMORPG, Final Fantasy for console RPG (though that has come under fire in recent installments), and maybe Elder Scrolls in the Action-RPG genre.

The game tanked the first time around. It was a flat-out embarassment and slap in the face to FF fans. Until Yoshi and team prove that this time around is different, some of that animosity will remain and that process can't begin until the game is released. If they do become successful, it will be because they release an average - above average MMO to start, then release quality patches and expansions to make a rich virtual world worth visiting that players from other games are willing to migrate to.
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The issue with Yoshi-P's direction is that he didn't take any risks, and he has a cookie cutter game that you could find from a bunch of other companies. Forget about an totally unique innovative game, I'm not even asking for that much. There isn't even a single feature that you can't find in a bunch of other games, under a different name.

To be fair, it could be argued that the 'innovative' idea was what they tried the first time around with guildleves, the 'classless' class system and the market wards. I also would have liked something for this game to stand out from the rest(TERA's action based combat system for example). I think ultimately Yoshi's decision to move back toward the mainstream came mostly from players(myself included) preferring functionality over individuality.

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The only big MMORPGs that get any success these days have at least one unique, defining aspect that they use as a hook for marketing. ARR has nothing like that.

XIV 1.0 didn't, but we still can't say for sure whether or not ARR will (at least not without incurring the wrath of Wint's mighty hammer of silencing).
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I've never heard of one that does one weapon per one class, but that seems more like a restriction than a feature.


Interesting. I've never heard of any other game allowing for class changes. Could you name one for me please?

I'll be pretty disappointed if it's a Chinese f2p MMO that exactly 6 people outside of China have ever heard of though.
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I don't believe RPG's will ever have that kind of presence in the gaming market, due to the "nerd stigma" attached to them. fact that, every now and again, the player might have to think about something.
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#144Killua125, Posted: Apr 12 2013 at 6:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What kind of game are you looking for? The Chinese game you are thinking of is probably Eden Eternal, which is really just like the Final Fantasy job system. (it's not one of the games I had in mind, but for your information, it has more players than 1.23 ever had)
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There are bad Japanese games just as there are bad English games.

All I know is that I look at the current and upcoming games I'm excited about at this very moment and see Dark Souls 2, Bravely Default, Fire Emblem: Awakening (just got it^^), Monster Hunter 3, Etrian Odyssey IV, and Soul Hackers -- every last one of them a type of hardcore RPG, every last one of them free from the tropes you speak of, and every last one of them Japanese.


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There are bad Japanese games just as there are bad English games.

All I know is that I look at the current and upcoming games I'm excited about at this very moment and see Dark Souls 2, Bravely Default, Fire Emblem: Awakening (just got it^^), Monster Hunter 3, Etrian Odyssey IV, and Soul Hackers -- every last one of them a type of hardcore RPG, every last one of them free from the tropes you speak of, and every last one of them Japanese.


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I know that. I've played or am looking forward to all those games, and my favorite games of all time are pretty much all Japanese.

However, I think the existence of those games with the tropes and stuff that people outside of Japan wouldn't understand, is a reason for the stigma that the above poster was referring to.
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Certainly there are stigmas for every genre, which is why it's really up to the individual to be smart enough not to judge each new game through the lens of some other, unrelated product. We must consider that stigmas go both ways, though, and there are plenty of reasons to shy away from Western titles as well.

Essentially all I'm saying is that, for every game-ruining loli present in a JRPG, there's a beef-necked military moron leading another Western FPS. Smiley: thumbsup


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#148Killua125, Posted: Apr 12 2013 at 8:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't know about that. There are a handful of really popular western games with those burly, roided out tough guys types... but I don't see those characters as a staple of western gaming.
#149 Apr 12 2013 at 8:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh lighten up. So people like games with characters that aren't completely plain here.

WRPGs are just bland.
#150 Apr 12 2013 at 10:58 PM Rating: Excellent
KaneKitty wrote:
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I don't believe RPG's will ever have that kind of presence in the gaming market, due to the "nerd stigma" attached to them. fact that, every now and again, the player might have to think about something.


hey, You're Preaching To The Choir Kane.

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#151 Apr 13 2013 at 12:09 AM Rating: Good
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There isn't even a single feature that you can't find in a bunch of other games, under a different name.


Name me another game that lets you change classes simply by equipping a different weapon.

Actually, aside from FFXI, are there any MMOs that allow class changes at all?


Well to be honest there are a lot of games that let you change classes..from lineage 2 to World of warcraft.


And to answer to killua though no it is not a restriction to be able to have 1 weapon for each class. Thats how it was and thats how it will always be in rpg. You can't have an archer killing stuff with a sword.

The class system it has is really good from what i've seen. Take it from a guy that tried as you as well i guess, a lot of MMOs. Its fast and you can change it really easily.
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