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#1 Apr 08 2013 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Very fascinating preview of the competitive field that XIV 2.0 will be entering. From Forbes of all places!

ARR makes it into the extended version (the "probably out in 2013 but no firm release date" group.)

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One of the most impressive looking MMORPGs in development, and will launch this year on PC and PS3 simultaneously (and, one imagines, will later come to Sony’s next-gen system.)

The game initially launched in 2010 to overwhelming negative reception. Square Enix pulled it, revamped it, and rebranded the game “A Realm Reborn” which has, one suspects, a double meaning.

While not the first Final Fantasy MMO, it does look like the most ambitious. In fact, the game sounds like it should be a very strong offering, with an overhaul to the server engine, the graphics engine, the UI, the gameplay, and just about everything else. The makeover should transform the game in almost every imaginable way, and hopefully Square Enix’s impressively drastic move will pay off.

I look forward to the soundtrack, something Final Fantasy games have always done well. A Realm Reborn features music from Nobuo Uematsu, Naoshi Mizuta, Ryo Yamazaki, Tsuyoshi Sekito, and Masayoshi Soken.


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#2 Apr 08 2013 at 11:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nice find, thanks for sharing Catwho!
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#3 Apr 08 2013 at 3:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nice indeed, its good to have positive publicity.
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#4 Apr 08 2013 at 4:07 PM Rating: Default
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"Killer MMOs" might be a bad name for his article. It doesn't do enough research on some of the titles in the list... in the case of Wizardry Online, it's already out (and it's awful), so couldn't he try it for a couple minutes before listing it as a Killer MMO of 2013?

I think Blade & Soul will likely (finally) come out this year, based on where it stands in Korea right now... it's been a really long time in development, but it's all amounted to a very polished game. Also, the art direction is really good. I enjoyed playing it.

Also, are Bless, Black Desert, ArcheAge coming out in 2013? I'm not sure about that. (He says he doesn't know about Black Desert, but I didn't know any of them were)

Wildstar looks interesting but the colors and art direction remind me of World of Warcraft. I know WoW clone gets thrown around a lot but that game really really looks like WoW, on a visual level at the very least. I guess I'll need to see how it differentiates itself.

TESO sounds awesome.

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 6:11pm by Killua125
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Fifteen seems like a reasonable number, so I’ll include the previous list here—with one subtraction, Wizardry, which after some play time has proven to be a great disappointment—and four additional MMOs racing into mortal combat in this highly competitive market.


Spend a minute and read the article.
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#6Killua125, Posted: Apr 08 2013 at 4:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Thank you. I saw the update (and it is indeed a really horrible game), I'm just saying that these are things he could have done before writing his article, not after.
#7 Apr 08 2013 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I named it the "killer" bit, not the Forbes article. Every game (and indeed every app) designer hopes his or her app is going to be the "killer" for its particular piece of hardware. iTunes was the killer app that made the iPod a success, for example. WoW was the killer of the MMO genre and some might argue brought PC gaming back from the dead. Halo was the killer app of the Xbox. Etc.

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#8 Apr 08 2013 at 4:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have a friend who's bonkers for PSO, and I have a Vita (yes, yes, I know, the only one in my city who bought one probably) that's dying for a game to play on it... so I expect I'll be running PSO2 in the near future. Smiley: grin
#9 Apr 08 2013 at 4:47 PM Rating: Default
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Fair warning - don't get your hopes up for PSO2. It has some of the worst enemy AI I've ever seen, "endgame" consists of running the same levels over and over that you were already doing at level 1... horrible drop rates (you could spend years killing the same boss every day and never get the item you're looking for... think the worst droprate in FFXI, except 100 times worse. That's the drop rate on EVERY item). There's no class balance at all, melee are useless.

They never add real, good content - only weird hentai outfits that cost real money (hugely disappointed PSO fan here).

I'm very skeptical about FFXIV: ARR but I have no doubt in my mind that it will be 1000 times better than PSO2.

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Edited, Apr 8th 2013 6:49pm by Killua125
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Fair warning - don't get your hopes up for PSO2. It has some of the worst enemy AI I've ever seen, "endgame" consists of running the same levels over and over that you were already doing at level 1... horrible drop rates (you could spend years killing the same boss every day and never get the item you're looking for... think the worst droprate in FFXI, except 100 times worse. That's the drop rate on EVERY item). There's no class balance at all, melee are useless.

They never add real, good content - only weird hentai outfits that cost real money (hugely disappointed PSO fan here).

I'm very skeptical about FFXIV: ARR but I have no doubt in my mind that it will be 1000 times better than PSO2.

/Rant

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 6:49pm by Killua125


I'd be playing to enjoy the company of my friend who lives too far away for me to visit, so as long as she likes it, I'll stick around.
#11 Apr 08 2013 at 4:56 PM Rating: Good
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^^ A she huh! You are going places young one.
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#13 Apr 08 2013 at 8:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Woah. That is some lacklustre competition. Smiley: lol

We basically have a few Diablo clones, a WoW clone or two, some F2P nonsense, some big name franchises that cannot but fall flat on their faces and, strangely, one FFXIV clone thrown in for good measure.
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#14 Apr 08 2013 at 10:37 PM Rating: Decent
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^^^ The irony of those claims is troll bait... I must resist :(
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^^^ The irony of those claims is troll bait... I must resist :(


Well, yeah, I certainly can't deny that, just as I can't deny that FFXIV's prospects aren't necessarily too spectacular, either. That said, I do think that its future bodes better than things like the highly un-anticipated Elder Scrolls title (which even many devoted fans of the series don't want) or the really-quite-puzzling Game of Thrones Online (lol).
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Er, "highly un-anticipated Elder Scrolls title"? I think people were a little bitter about the idea at first, but people have definitely warmed up to it. I know a lot of people looking forward to it...

I'm a big GoT fan and I didn't know there was an MMO for it, that sounds silly lol.
#17 Apr 08 2013 at 11:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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most of those games i can already see being the same generic stuff that i'm drowning in. the only ones on that list that may actually be inovative is the elder scrolls and maybe wild star.

every game that i have personally played that claims to be the new thing never gets the trifecta right. combat is awesome? cool but theres no story. have a great story? too bad theres not enough content. have a lot of content? sucks for you the combat isn't anything new.

when an MMO can give me a good main storyline, good quests, and a good combat system i will be sold. sure ffxi had some of those fetch quests, but that game got it right. quests where actually quests with mini stories and there was a story line. the combat system was great because if you got bored of one class you could easily switch to another along with all the combos and flashy stuff.

there's a few MMO's i have on my radar for this/next year but FFXIV is deffinatley at the top and i can't wait (but i will because i want it to be awesome) to play it.
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Black Desert looked pretty cool, and then I thought, "80% odds at least that this is a Korean game," and it is, and that makes me think it will suck. Is that racist of me?

But seriously, Korean MMORPGs tend to suck, but maybe their sandboxes fair better. I'm not a big sandbox gamer (or any kind of gamer at the moment), so I don't know how much a sandbox MMO even appeals to me, but at least I would think the absurd barriers to progression towards new content would be absent, which would be a big move in the right direction. Curious to see how Blade & Soul and Blessed do with this when they release.

It's truly a shame that western developers seem to be unable to keep up with the visual department. I'm surprised more of them don't outsource to Korea, honestly.

I think WildStar will have a respectable showing with gameplay superior to GW2, and possibly even a bit of community--though it also looks to me like one of their core design decisions is probably going to be an epic failure, possibly ruining the game altogether. It's definitely a game that expects you to make multiple characters if you want to experience what it offers.

Dragon's Prophet looks like it could be very cool pending good gameplay (the most dubious part). Action-based combat is at least a good sign, and then you battle, capture and train dragons to effectively level up your character? Actually get to fly your dragon around? Pretty brilliant premise, though I won't be counting on it to execute with any particular success. I'll keep my fingers crossed for it though.
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#20 Apr 09 2013 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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I loved the look of Wildstar in the trailer. The character designs remind me of work by a few prominent Disney and comic artists.

The problem is that the art design in trailers almost never looks as good when translated over to the actual game. That was one of the problems that plagued XIV 1.0 for that matter - you get gorgeous visuals in the trailer, but it actually doesn't look anything like the video game the trailer is for!

At least in FFXI they eventually opened up the Tavnazian arch area for viewing, but in game lore reminds you that it's the wyrm home now and you aren't gonna be able to get it back. (And to drive the point home, there's a wyrm that swoops down over the lake every afternoon in Lufaise Meadows.)
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#21 Apr 09 2013 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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I know I'm being a FanBoy...but "Bless" WTF???? looks like a total rip off........!!! don't know why but I am ****** it looks so similar to xiv.

its as if the Chinese company that xiv was outsourced to sold it to the Korean company making "Bless"........


WTF isn't SE suing them??
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Going after a Chinese company for copyright violation reminds me of the following:

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#23 Apr 09 2013 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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...but "Bless" WTF???? looks like a total rip off........!!!


I believe that it's just "inspired by" FFXIV, to use modern MMORPG parlance. Smiley: rolleyes
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I just hope it crashes and burns Smiley: mad worse than xiv 1.0 LOL.....
square made a big poo over Chrono remake by fans but not this? I don't even know where this anger is coming from....GRRR lol
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Considering FFXIV is ripping ideas from pretty much every other mmo that's out right now I don't think it's on very strong grounds to complain.

As long as Bless turns out to be a good mmo I don't care so much about looking so similar (and possibly better) than FFXIV.

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I've been told its the same with WoW and Runes of Magic.
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