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#27 Apr 11 2013 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
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I loved both Ogre Battle & FFT; but I think they both excel for different reasons. I would have to give the edge to Tactics, because the storytelling was better (graphics helps this), and I think the story was better overall. But at the same time, Ogre Battle did a good job of making you actually choose, penalizing overleveling (somewhat), and allowing you to mold the ending and gameplay. A game that could incorporate both games into one with modern graphics would be amazing... But many game companies don't want to take a risk on an unestablished IP, so all we get is re-imagined sequels and remakes with microtransactions :(.
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#28 Apr 11 2013 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
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I also liked the Shining Soul and Suikoden games.

I loved FFT, but never played any of the Ogre games.
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#29 Apr 11 2013 at 11:46 PM Rating: Good
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I imagine the FF universe kind of like the way Steven King imagines his books. They are all connected in some way or another.

At the center of the universe is a hub called Final Fantasy, the arms that stick out from the hub are all the different iterations of the core premise. In this way it's all separate, but still connected. From a passing line about a kid with spiky hair to the outright inclusion of characters and magitek armor, it really all belongs wherever it can.

I just imagine the games as a very similar story being told from a different parallel point of view. Like all the different FF titles are all the infinite possiblilities in time and space that the story could have been told. Cameos and related themes are just those parallel points of view rubbing up against each other and in some cases bleeding into one another.

So yeah, it all fits to some degree or another. I like it, but of course, like anything else, your individual satisfaction will vary.
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#30 Apr 12 2013 at 12:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I do not see how Graphics helps storytelling, since XIII is the most graphical FF to date, yet it's storyline is so sad it brings tears to my face. On the subject of FFT vs OGBT Gameplay wise FFT was miles ahead of OGBT, but story wise ? Is not even close, most of the good points from FFT are straight up copy pasted from OGBT (They where both created by the same person afterall) and seeing how OGBT did it first and better, that is why i hold OGBT above FFT. Now their spinoffs tell a great story, on one side you got Knight of lodis, and on the other FFTA Smiley: lol
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#31 Apr 12 2013 at 7:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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LebargeX wrote:
I imagine the FF universe kind of like the way Steven King imagines his books.
Like this?
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#32 Apr 12 2013 at 10:16 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
I imagine the FF universe kind of like the way Steven King imagines his books.
Like this?


Your assuredly snarktastic reply is lost on me as my speakers aren't presently working :*(

Care to paraphrase? lol

ETA: Crawled back there and hooked them up. I'll admit that he's definitely fallen off at times, but the Kennedy book was pretty **** good.

So, did you completely miss my point, or are you saying SE isn't trying either?

Edited, Apr 12th 2013 9:21am by LebargeX
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#33 Apr 12 2013 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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Stephen King: Okay, for my three-hundred and seventh book, this couple is attacked by, uh... ah... a lamp monster! Oooh! Oooh!
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#34 Apr 12 2013 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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Stephen King: Okay, for my three-hundred and seventh book, this couple is attacked by, uh... ah... a lamp monster! Oooh! Oooh!
Editor: You're not even trying anymore, are you? ... When can I have it?


I edited my post above with a reply. :)
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#35 Apr 12 2013 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't believe Square is trying very hard anymore and are coasting on their name. Oh, and people are still eating it up.

Edited, Apr 12th 2013 12:27pm by lolgaxe
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#36 Apr 12 2013 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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I don't believe Square is trying very hard anymore and are coasting on their name. Oh, and people are still eating it up.

Edited, Apr 12th 2013 12:27pm by lolgaxe


I agree largely. Honestly, most games are like that any more. Maybe this time SE will get it right. I'm optimistic. Not for any real reason, but just because I really want it to be good. I'd rather be disappointed than go around trying to convince myself I should expect another "meh" experience.

I'm also primarily a console gamer, so I don't have a lot of options when it comes to MMO's...though I'll admit I am currently downloading Age of Wushu, while putting Bioshock back in the Gamefly envelope after about 4 hours of playthrough :(
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#37 Apr 12 2013 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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LebargeX wrote:
I imagine the FF universe kind of like the way Steven King imagines his books.


That is, being sold somewhere besides the paperback isles in airport terminals?

I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with the sentiment expressed by the Family Guy clip.
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#38 Apr 12 2013 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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KaneKitty wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
I imagine the FF universe kind of like the way Steven King imagines his books.


That is, being sold somewhere besides the paperback isles in airport terminals?

I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with the sentiment expressed by the Family Guy clip.


There's nothing wrong with a little trashy entertainment from time to time. Ask Susan Lucci. lol
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#39 Apr 12 2013 at 9:04 PM Rating: Decent
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LebargeX wrote:
I imagine the FF universe kind of like the way Steven King imagines his books. They are all connected in some way or another.

At the center of the universe is a hub called Final Fantasy, the arms that stick out from the hub are all the different iterations of the core premise. In this way it's all separate, but still connected. From a passing line about a kid with spiky hair to the outright inclusion of characters and magitek armor, it really all belongs wherever it can.

I just imagine the games as a very similar story being told from a different parallel point of view. Like all the different FF titles are all the infinite possiblilities in time and space that the story could have been told. Cameos and related themes are just those parallel points of view rubbing up against each other and in some cases bleeding into one another.

So yeah, it all fits to some degree or another. I like it, but of course, like anything else, your individual satisfaction will vary.


They are not connected in some way or another, they have a recurring theme which is "Crystals" in some games they are the primary plot device in some others, a secondary one, or just there for kicks and giggles. But they have never been connected and they should not, they are stand alone games that have been herald as classics each on their own. So why start now ? XI surivived and left it's mark as a Numbered Final Fantasy and it dint relie in cheap nostalgia tricks, XI has it's own story, it's own lore, it's own characters, it's own memorable moments that no other FF has done, XIV most memorable moments are all imports of FFVII and VI.

Now i am not againts using some nostalgia or making some cameos and everything, as long as they are done in a subtle and fun way, but at some point i want to be excited about XIV because of XIV not because of "Gee i wonder what FF they gonna ripoff to introduce X mechanic or implementation."

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#40 Apr 13 2013 at 12:38 AM Rating: Good
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Repeated use of themes, characters, systems, flora, fauna, minerals, jobs, classes, story elements, magic, weapons, and transportation (and more) doesn't equal connected to you? Did you even read what I wrote? Or did I not explain it well enough?
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#41 Apr 13 2013 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
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Tactics Advanced is incredibly mediocre next to Final Fantasy Tactics, really not even that similar aside from some basic similarities in the gameplay.

I know myself and a million other nerds would clamor for a REAL sequel to FFT, even just a proper spiritual sequel. I can't even call FFTA a spiritual sequel in earnest.


FFT... one of the best strategy games to ever grace a TV screen. Amazing, amazing quality.

FFTA... it was o.k. Worth a play, not worth playing over FFT if you're only going to play one of them.
#42 Apr 13 2013 at 11:58 AM Rating: Default
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LebargeX wrote:
Repeated use of themes, characters, systems, flora, fauna, minerals, jobs, classes, story elements, magic, weapons, and transportation (and more) doesn't equal connected to you? Did you even read what I wrote? Or did I not explain it well enough?


That can be found in any series, for example the tales series, has recurring characters, but they are not all connected, outside of Tales of phantasia and tales of symphonia 1-2, every other single title is stand alone, yet they all have the same summons, same magic, same weapons, some character cameos etc etc. Breath of fire is another series that has many similarities, but is BOF IV connected to 1-2-3 ? No is V for that Metter.

There are only 3 FF main titles that have a connection, that is X-2, XIII-2 and XIII-3. Every other single title is a stand alone title.
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#43 Apr 13 2013 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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LebargeX wrote:
Repeated use of themes, characters, systems, flora, fauna, minerals, jobs, classes, story elements, magic, weapons, and transportation (and more) doesn't equal connected to you? Did you even read what I wrote? Or did I not explain it well enough?


That can be found in any series, for example the tales series, has recurring characters, but they are not all connected, outside of Tales of phantasia and tales of symphonia 1-2, every other single title is stand alone, yet they all have the same summons, same magic, same weapons, some character cameos etc etc. Breath of fire is another series that has many similarities, but is BOF IV connected to 1-2-3 ? No is V for that Metter.

There are only 3 FF main titles that have a connection, that is X-2, XIII-2 and XIII-3. Every other single title is a stand alone title.


You two are arguing two completely different versions of "connected."
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#44 Apr 14 2013 at 12:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ostia wrote:
Kachi wrote:
Tactics Advanced is incredibly mediocre next to Final Fantasy Tactics, really not even that similar aside from some basic similarities in the gameplay.

I know myself and a million other nerds would clamor for a REAL sequel to FFT, even just a proper spiritual sequel. I can't even call FFTA a spiritual sequel in earnest.


Finally somebody else says it around here, Tactics Advance was a horrible title, Final Fantasy Tactics was a true gem, from story, music, theme and graphics it was all great, then here comes TA and it was just god awful.

I have always advocated that SE could have made a pre-quel about FFT set in the origins of the 50 year war and how balbanes and T.G Cid came into power. or just a flat out sequel :(


I feel like Tactics Ogre was a spiritual sequel to FFT at least as far as the story went. It was a gritty, and emotional in the same way.

I loved tactics advance. It was the first final fantasy game I ever owned, myself. I bought it thinking it would be like the games I saw my friends playing on super nintendo, but it was totally different. Regardless it hooked me, loved turn based/grid strategy games ever since.
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They are not connected in some way or another, they have a recurring theme which is "Crystals" in some games they are the primary plot device in some others, a secondary one, or just there for kicks and giggles. But they have never been connected and they should not, they are stand alone games that have been herald as classics each on their own. So why start now ? XI surivived and left it's mark as a Numbered Final Fantasy and it dint relie in cheap nostalgia tricks, XI has it's own story, it's own lore, it's own characters, it's own memorable moments that no other FF has done, XIV most memorable moments are all imports of FFVII and VI.

Now i am not againts using some nostalgia or making some cameos and everything, as long as they are done in a subtle and fun way, but at some point i want to be excited about XIV because of XIV not because of "Gee i wonder what FF they gonna ripoff to introduce X mechanic or implementation."



I'll say it again. Final Fantasy IX, Ostia. Play it.
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#46 Apr 14 2013 at 8:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
Ostia wrote:
Kachi wrote:
Tactics Advanced is incredibly mediocre next to Final Fantasy Tactics, really not even that similar aside from some basic similarities in the gameplay.

I know myself and a million other nerds would clamor for a REAL sequel to FFT, even just a proper spiritual sequel. I can't even call FFTA a spiritual sequel in earnest.


Finally somebody else says it around here, Tactics Advance was a horrible title, Final Fantasy Tactics was a true gem, from story, music, theme and graphics it was all great, then here comes TA and it was just god awful.

I have always advocated that SE could have made a pre-quel about FFT set in the origins of the 50 year war and how balbanes and T.G Cid came into power. or just a flat out sequel :(


I feel like Tactics Ogre was a spiritual sequel to FFT at least as far as the story went. It was a gritty, and emotional in the same way.

I loved tactics advance. It was the first final fantasy game I ever owned, myself. I bought it thinking it would be like the games I saw my friends playing on super nintendo, but it was totally different. Regardless it hooked me, loved turn based/grid strategy games ever since.


Then you should check your feelings since Tactics Ogre came out in the Snes first then it was ported on the PSX and finally had a remake done on the PSP.

How can it be a spiritual sequel when it was released before FFT...... And Yazmat got hired into SE because of Tactics ogre.... It would be a Paradox. Did you recently played XIII or something ?
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Ostia wrote:

They are not connected in some way or another, they have a recurring theme which is "Crystals" in some games they are the primary plot device in some others, a secondary one, or just there for kicks and giggles. But they have never been connected and they should not, they are stand alone games that have been herald as classics each on their own. So why start now ? XI surivived and left it's mark as a Numbered Final Fantasy and it dint relie in cheap nostalgia tricks, XI has it's own story, it's own lore, it's own characters, it's own memorable moments that no other FF has done, XIV most memorable moments are all imports of FFVII and VI.

Now i am not againts using some nostalgia or making some cameos and everything, as long as they are done in a subtle and fun way, but at some point i want to be excited about XIV because of XIV not because of "Gee i wonder what FF they gonna ripoff to introduce X mechanic or implementation."



I'll say it again. Final Fantasy IX, Ostia. Play it.


I have beaten that game probably 3 times, do tell me where terra shows up ? where steiner does a nibelhelm scene ? or the villain summons a meteor to destroy the planet ? Where does one main character of another FF shows up ? Nowhere :)

They had nods to previews games, but where in item descriptions or stuff like that, oh and the four fiends at the end.
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Terra was the name of the sister planet. They have music from FFVII Rufus' Welcoming Ceremony, there's a Cloud reference in Lindblum and the ending of the game. The Disc 3 area boss is Garland and the song is a remix of FFII's final dungeon.

There's a lot more. But you can entertain yourself here.

To keep this FFXIV relevant, you can look at XIV's references too.
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#49 Apr 14 2013 at 11:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Terra was the name of the sister planet. They have music from FFVII Rufus' Welcoming Ceremony, there's a Cloud reference in Lindblum and the ending of the game. The Disc 3 area boss is Garland and the song is a remix of FFII's final dungeon.

There's a lot more. But you can entertain yourself here.

To keep this FFXIV relevant, you can look at XIV's references too.


References...... Not direct ripoffs. Like i said IX had a lot of refferences for those that played the earlier games, yet at no point in time, did you played a scene or got to a plot point and said... wait... This is exactly what happened in VII ? Wtf lol
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yet at no point in time, did you played a scene or got to a plot point and said... wait... This is exactly what happened in VII ?
Main characters don't know who they really are, Zidane was a Saiyan Genome who was sent to Earth because of Kuja's jealousy, and he spends the rest of the game trying to figure out who he is. Cloud thinks he's Zack. Also Terra doesn't remember, Vivi doesn't know, Cecil doesn't know, all the characters in FF8 don't remember their orphanage time, Tidus is just a dream ...

"Discovering yourself" is kind of a ridiculously overused trope in Final Fantasy.
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Ostia wrote:
yet at no point in time, did you played a scene or got to a plot point and said... wait... This is exactly what happened in VII ?
Main characters don't know who they really are, Zidane was a Saiyan Genome who was sent to Earth because of Kuja's jealousy, and he spends the rest of the game trying to figure out who he is. Cloud thinks he's Zack. Also Terra doesn't remember, Vivi doesn't know, Cecil doesn't know, all the characters in FF8 don't remember their orphanage time, Tidus is just a dream ...

"Discovering yourself" is kind of a ridiculously overused trope in Final Fantasy.



Discovering yourself is an overused theme in just about every RPG, let alone any decent character development, a character always finds something about themselves along the game story line, that they did not know for X or Y Reason, those reasons and what they found out is what set them appart. Vivi for example was just born before the game started, is not that he did not know because "Amnesia" like Terra. Who btw did not know she was half Esper, because how would she had known ? There are no Espers in the World. Tho Terra and Cecil story are very similar.
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