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#1 Apr 16 2013 at 7:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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This makes me incredibly happy for unexplainable reasons.
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those food-stealing jerks!


LOL I forgot about that!
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They didn't reuse FFXI's .DAT.

FFXI's Version.

[Edited because apparently the person I was responding to got removed.]


Edited, Apr 16th 2013 7:35am by UltKnightGrover
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Did colibri wings always look like paddles?
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They didn't reuse FFXI's .DAT.

FFXI's Version.

[Edited because apparently the person I was responding to got removed.]


Edited, Apr 16th 2013 7:35am by UltKnightGrover


... it looks the same to me!! I'm not trying to be snarky LOL.
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So do these make you mad/worried as well?

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Not really. For monster designs, I'm not really bothered by them being reused. It just seemed like Colibri is even using the same .DAT, lol. The Goblin looks good.

Edited, Apr 16th 2013 11:17am by Killua125
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I admit I'm not an expert on 3D modeling but the XIV mobs look definitely different than the XI ones. Maybe that's just me though. I'd love to see some mob models from other games than just XI too. Gremlins from XIII come to mind.
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They're more slender than they were in XI.

Trust me, I've pulled many thousands of those little pink bastards. The model is just a bit different.
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Well, aesthetically they look the same. For example, the FFXIV and FFXI models for the Goblins, Cactuars, and Colibri definitely have the same design.

But I seriously doubt they just copied and pasted the .DAT without making improvements to account for the higher-res textures of FFXIV ARR's graphics engine and higher specifications for the animations etc...

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Its not like they are going to create ALL NEW monsters for the game. Reusing monsters and character profiles is a necessity in the Final Fantasy world. If you want I can pull up all the Cactuars from every Final Fantasy game who all look identical down to the 2D upper-cut dance moves...

I say, as long as its a cool monster and not something stupid that has no purpose or connection to the environment. Then they can reuse all they want. Of course, they should have some original ideas too, which ARR has done very nicely.

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Just pulled the images into photoshop and layered them over one another, scaled them to the same size, and saw nearly zero difference in the models (even the texturing looks to be the same). It may have more vertices or something like that, but they were definitely created from the same original model (the smaller spikes further up on the tail even matched up identically). The beak might be slightly more "squished" but it's hard to tell because the angles aren't 100% identical, personally I think even that is the same or so close it's not really up for debate. The comment about them being "slimmer" is incorrect, as I have just looked at them pixel-for-pixel on top of one another and the bodies match perfectly (of course in game this will probably vary depending what your graphics are set to, I.E 16:9 vs 16:10 creates slimmer or wider models)

That being said... I have no problem with this, for the reasons stated before - it's an FF mob, we expect to see heavy crossover of mobs throughout the series. I would like to see some different "interpretations" of these mobs though, for example - in new areas it'd be nice to see colibri that aren't simply re-colors, but instead take on a different appearance in other ways. Some examples might be giving different breeds larger spikes, shorter beaks, giant wings, multiple wings, multiple tails, no tail, wide-finned tails, etc.

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As long as they weren't just coppied in for the sake of a fillter-quest that involves killing 15 colibri or "go kill colibri and bring me 15 feathers" etc... I'm fine with it. I have this lingering feeling that we are going to see mobs just copypastad into the game en-masse and shown to the public in the next few months simply to fill grind quest holes as more of the game's "content" is "filled in".

What frustrates me is that FFXI had this really open world feel to it where you could explore and kill as you pleased, with some events here and there to really give you an experience to remember and challenges to overcome with friends. What I don't want to see is the game cheapened by eliminating the "go out and explore the world" feeling and replacing it with "do this fetch-quest then the next fetch-quest, then the next-fetch quest, and eventually you'll see everything out of necessity instead of curiosity".

I do feel FFXI should have had a "few" more obvious quest options available from levels 1-30 to just showcase what the game had to offer for a new player, but after that I'd like to just be "set free" into the world where I can explore what I want. I'm hoping FFXIV takes that approach, but from what I've seen so far, it doesn't look likely.
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I wish I could reply, but I can't remember what I saw in my hands on versus (NDA) so I'm going to have to stay mum on this Smiley: motz
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yup the colibri and goblin on FFXIV look exactly the game as FFXI with just (obviously) better graphics.. which is 100% fine with me...

I mean Ifrit and Shiva look the same in almost EVERY final fantasy game with just better graphics as well right?
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Not for XIV anyway

Ifrit:
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Yeah, those two look nothing like I can remember from other games. I like them but Ifrit is way to skinny for my taste. Clearly he is strong but at first glance your like, I can probably cut through his joints with a well-placed Great Axe or Sword.
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Yeah, those two look nothing like I can remember from other games. I like them but Ifrit is way to skinny for my taste. Clearly he is strong but at first glance your like, I can probably cut through his joints with a well-placed Great Axe or Sword.


FFXII also branched away from the usual with Espers, but they didn't share names at least.
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Ifirt had looked alike up until FF IX in X he was a wolfish more akin to the one in XIV
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If they're going to place monsters in the game from other games. It should surely be from their own games. Makes them original in a sense does it not? As long as their lore and skin is open to being modified.

Person A: Hey why is there magitek in this game?
Person B:Because it's from the Final Fantasy franchise.

Person A: Hey why is there Cid in this game?
Person B: Because he is in the Final Fantasy Franchise.

Person A: Hey why is their summons in this game?
Person B: Because they are in the Final Fantasy franchise.

Person A: But that's not original, they are stealing stuff from other games.
Person B: ..... You're right!
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those food-stealing jerks!


As a cook in FFXI, I enjoyed those pink birdies.... made quite a bit of money from people. as well as other cooks did as well.
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#27 Apr 16 2013 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
Well, this can appease the "I wanted FFXI HD!" crowd.
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Well, this can appease the "I wanted FFXI HD!" crowd.


I don't think those people are asking for reused Colibri .DATs, and on that subject: why are so many FFXIV fans hostile towards FFXI players?

Edited, Apr 16th 2013 8:15pm by Killua125
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Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
Well, this can appease the "I wanted FFXI HD!" crowd.


I don't think those people are asking for reused Colibri .DATs, and on that subject: why are so many FFXIV fans hostile towards FFXI players?

Edited, Apr 16th 2013 8:15pm by Killua125


Yes, cause there's no possible way I'm joking...and no possible way that I'm a fan and player of FFXI...
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Killua125 wrote:
Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
Well, this can appease the "I wanted FFXI HD!" crowd.


I don't think those people are asking for reused Colibri .DATs, and on that subject: why are so many FFXIV fans hostile towards FFXI players?

Edited, Apr 16th 2013 8:15pm by Killua125


Yes, cause there's no possible way I'm joking...and no possible way that I'm a fan and player of FFXI...


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Killua125 wrote:
Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
Well, this can appease the "I wanted FFXI HD!" crowd.


I don't think those people are asking for reused Colibri .DATs, and on that subject: why are so many FFXIV fans hostile towards FFXI players?

Edited, Apr 16th 2013 8:15pm by Killua125


Yes, cause there's no possible way I'm joking...and no possible way that I'm a fan and player of FFXI...


Sarcasm doesn't translate too well into text sadly...especially with completely strangers
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really? i didn't make those go exitinct yet?
looks like we got some work to do folks, grab a whm and brd and head out to bhaflau---i mean wherever that is!
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really? i didn't make those go exitinct yet?
looks like we got some work to do folks, grab a whm and brd and head out to bhaflau---i mean wherever that is!


That's an interesting idea... Have some monsters go, temporarily, extinct and another set of place holders move in until we kick them out and slowly you start to see the old sets of monsters move back in. Maybe not but it wouldn't be insane if everyone was killing a type of monster for a long time in a zone that the population should diminish. Especially in the areas that have packs of monsters hanging out together.

Kill all the ladybugs and the fungi move in, kill all those and the chigo (mosquitoes) move in and you start to see lady bugs again, then you kill the blood suckers and lady bugs are back... then here comes the fungi, etc. Maybe that's to much living environment for a game? It sounds cool to me though.
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I thought they did some of that in Wings of the Goddess (FFXI). At least I remember them selling the idea before the expansion.

It's the kind of feature that sounds neat as a selling point, but doesn't generally result in the game actually being more fun. Classic case of realism=! fun.
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Not for XIV anyway

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BARF!! Ifrit looks like something that should be on Devil May Cry or Demon Souls not FF lol
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I thought they did some of that in Wings of the Goddess (FFXI). At least I remember them selling the idea before the expansion.

It's the kind of feature that sounds neat as a selling point, but doesn't generally result in the game actually being more fun. Classic case of realism=! fun.


They did, with the pixies.. if people refrained from slaughtering them in the past, they'd show up in the present.

That wasn't a tough sell, pixies are super helpful to have around and there was no particular need to kill them so it wasn't really a decision.

It was an interesting idea in theory, they just didn't do much with it. Actually, I feel like they squandered the **** out of the whole time travel thing in Wings of the Goddess. That could've led to some interesting storytelling that never happened.
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The time travel in FFXI was neat. They kept the same areas, but they did a real good job in showing how those areas changed over time.

In ARR, they're just going for a 5 year transition, and besides reorganizing the areas, they don't appear to have different moods or anything. I wish they had gone forward 50 years or something.
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There'd probably be naught left after "The Dragon" had his way unchecked for 50 years.
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Those screenshots are awesome. That's the level of atmosphere and charm that the environments in 1.0 sorely lacked.
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Killua125 wrote:
The time travel in FFXI was neat. They kept the same areas, but they did a real good job in showing how those areas changed over time.

In ARR, they're just going for a 5 year transition, and besides reorganizing the areas, they don't appear to have different moods or anything. I wish they had gone forward 50 years or something.


Would be very cool if we had another back in time expansion, but what about a forward in time? Like you go through a portal and bam you're in a futuristic world. Then we can bring back laser guns and light sabers to slay our foes in the past and present!

(Maybe not lightsabers lol. A 5th element type of world comes to mind though.)

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Killua125 wrote:
Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
Well, this can appease the "I wanted FFXI HD!" crowd.


I don't think those people are asking for reused Colibri .DATs, and on that subject: why are so many FFXIV fans hostile towards FFXI players?

Edited, Apr 16th 2013 8:15pm by Killua125


Many XIV fans hate XI and want it closed down, they are even mad it's getting updates and expansions. They want all the XI players to be on XIV, which obviously isn't going to happen anymore than XI players all swapping to WoW when that game launched. No matter how similar it looks there are very important reasons they won't just swap.

Also that Coli model is identical in every single way, there is zero difference at all.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 3:30am by preludes
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Killua125 wrote:
The time travel in FFXI was neat. They kept the same areas, but they did a real good job in showing how those areas changed over time.

In ARR, they're just going for a 5 year transition, and besides reorganizing the areas, they don't appear to have different moods or anything. I wish they had gone forward 50 years or something.


Would be very cool if we had another back in time expansion, but what about a forward in time? Like you go through a portal and bam you're in a futuristic world. Then we can bring back laser guns and light sabers to slay our foes in the past and present!

(Maybe not lightsabers lol. A 5th element type of world comes to mind though.)


I have a lightsaber! It drops from Arch Dynamis Lord. It looks like a normal rusty sword until you bring it out to attack and then it glows. (And occasionally aura steals buffs from monsters, so I can half-tank Shinryu on my bard with it since I keep stealing his damage immunity.)
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preludes wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
Well, this can appease the "I wanted FFXI HD!" crowd.


I don't think those people are asking for reused Colibri .DATs, and on that subject: why are so many FFXIV fans hostile towards FFXI players?

Edited, Apr 16th 2013 8:15pm by Killua125


Many XIV fans hate XI and want it closed down, they are even mad it's getting updates and expansions. They want all the XI players to be on XIV, which obviously isn't going to happen anymore than XI players all swapping to WoW when that game launched. No matter how similar it looks there are very important reasons they won't just swap.

Also that Coli model is identical in every single way, there is zero difference at all.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 3:30am by preludes


Who? This is one of the more ridiculous things you've ever said here, and that's quite an accomplishment.
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Wint wrote:
preludes wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
Well, this can appease the "I wanted FFXI HD!" crowd.


I don't think those people are asking for reused Colibri .DATs, and on that subject: why are so many FFXIV fans hostile towards FFXI players?

Edited, Apr 16th 2013 8:15pm by Killua125


Many XIV fans hate XI and want it closed down, they are even mad it's getting updates and expansions. They want all the XI players to be on XIV, which obviously isn't going to happen anymore than XI players all swapping to WoW when that game launched. No matter how similar it looks there are very important reasons they won't just swap.

Also that Coli model is identical in every single way, there is zero difference at all.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 3:30am by preludes


Who? This is one of the more ridiculous things you've ever said here, and that's quite an accomplishment.



WHAT?!?!?! someone outclassed me?!?!?! -dies-
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You at least seem interested in the game. I only think preludes comes here to troll people.
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Killua125 wrote:
Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
Well, this can appease the "I wanted FFXI HD!" crowd.


I don't think those people are asking for reused Colibri .DATs, and on that subject: why are so many FFXIV fans hostile towards FFXI players?

Edited, Apr 16th 2013 8:15pm by Killua125


Many XIV fans hate XI and want it closed down, they are even mad it's getting updates and expansions. They want all the XI players to be on XIV, which obviously isn't going to happen anymore than XI players all swapping to WoW when that game launched. No matter how similar it looks there are very important reasons they won't just swap.

Also that Coli model is identical in every single way, there is zero difference at all.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 3:30am by preludes


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Haha why are you guys indulging him? Just ignore dudes like that.

You know what they say about arguing with an idiot...
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of course.. Im just not expecting the 10/10 I was hoping it would be (i.e final fantasy xi with ps3 graphics) but in the end Im sure Ill still like it enough to giv eit a 7 or 8
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What about the XIV players who are still playing XI? Why doesn't our opinion matter? We're the ones paying SE the most money.
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What about the XIV players who are still playing XI? Why doesn't our opinion matter? We're the ones paying SE the most money.


No no, if you play XIV you MUST hate XI and want it to die Smiley: rolleyes
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#50Killua125, Posted: Apr 17 2013 at 12:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) He's exaggerating, but not totally wrong. There is a lot of hostility towards XI from XIV players. On the official boards, it seems like the longtime (all level 50) type XIV folks will trash talk XI whenever possible. If anyone says they want something from XI in XIV, they'll probably get abused somewhat. I've seen tons of "FFXI is ****/worst game ever/even 1.0 was better" type comments get tons of Like!s there. So, I don't really know what's up with all that.
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There is a lot of hostility towards XI from XIV players.
Yeah, that's called the "internet," and hardly unique to XI and XIV.
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