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#1 Apr 16 2013 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
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With ARR, potentially, around the corner... When can we expect a update to the forum site? Look, forum rooms, etc. Just wondering, perhaps you should talk with SE and time it with something they do to generate more hype with and for them. You know, like with the release of big details or something. Just wondering.
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Let me find out what I can say officially and I'll reply to this later this evening.
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#3 Apr 16 2013 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes Wint! Speak with Them!! We are almost to Beta phase 3 and no big surprises, no big media updates, no nothing.... Tell them seriously need a flood, but like a real one this time.
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#4 Apr 16 2013 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not talking about speaking with Yoshi and co, I'm talking about asking my bosses what I'm allowed to divulge with regard to what Zam will be doing for ARR's launch.
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#5 Apr 16 2013 at 1:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Nice. I can't wait.
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Oooh. Now I'm intrigued.

Poor Wint is under double (NDA) right now.
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The plot thickens!
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#8 Apr 16 2013 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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He technically violated the ZAM NDA by divulging that there may be something going on ^.~ The first rule about the NDA is ____________________________

I hope it's a complete forum wipe. While MMO's change over time, there's so much speculation/false and old 1.0 info on here that I think 2.0 would benefit from a fresh start.
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#9 Apr 16 2013 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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I say we hold Wint down and tickle his feet with a feather until he tells us what he knows!
#10 Apr 16 2013 at 5:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hope it's a complete forum wipe. While MMO's change over time, there's so much speculation/false and old 1.0 info on here that I think 2.0 would benefit from a fresh start.


I disagree.

I think they should offer free membership to everyone who uses the FFXIV forum while apologizing and promising to make it better. Then, while making marginal improvements over several months, reveal that they've been secretly working on ZAM FFXIV Forum 2.0 and they need our subscription dollars now to make it a success. Everyone who subscribes early will get a lifetime discount rate and a special chocobo avatar that proves you were there when it all happened.

Oh and Wint needs to take up heavy smoking and coffee drinking.
#11 Apr 16 2013 at 6:25 PM Rating: Good
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Oooh. Now I'm intrigued.

Poor Wint is under double (NDA) right now.


If you count that trip to Vegas three years ago it is probably more like triple (NDA)! :P
#12 Apr 17 2013 at 6:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well I can't say anything definite yet. What else would you guys like to see? FFXIVHead? New forums? Other things that I'm not thinking of?
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#13 Apr 17 2013 at 6:22 AM Rating: Good
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FFXIV-Head or better yet 'ARR-Head' (Just sounds cooler) would be nice.

And a visual forum update skin wise to reflect the change over is really due at this point.
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My vote would be Mog-head actually Smiley: tongue
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#15 Apr 17 2013 at 3:49 PM Rating: Good
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A new forum is fine - archive this one - but please keep it tied into the existing forum system. I like being able to surf between XI, XIV, and the cross site forums without having to bounce between websites.
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#16 Apr 17 2013 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
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A new forum is fine - archive this one - but please keep it tied into the existing forum system. I like being able to surf between XI, XIV, and the cross site forums without having to bounce between websites.


This. I've been on Zam since it was Allakhazam. Used it for FFXI in the beginning, then eventually moved to the WoW forums. Once Zam bought Wowhead, the Zam WoW forums died. There are a few of us still posting there, but its been a ghost town for a very long time.

So I vote for a total housecleaning of this forum since it is designated an official FFXIV forum, archive the old stuff, but don't go the [FFXIVwhatever]head route pls. I never liked Wowhead. If you go that route, I'll be a sad panda and probably not using the site.


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#17 Apr 17 2013 at 6:26 PM Rating: Default
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I'm wondering if you'll give everyone the ability to Like! posts. Any news on that?

It seems like a strange setup where if you're not liked, you get less privileges.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 8:26pm by Killua125
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I'm wondering if you'll give everyone the ability to Like! posts. Any news on that?

It seems like a strange setup where if you're not liked, you get less privileges.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 8:26pm by Killua125


Because the unliked would use it to retaliate against everyone else. Stop being annoying and your karma might go up.
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#19 Apr 17 2013 at 7:06 PM Rating: Default
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So, there's no chance of that changing?

It seems to me like people down vote posts that they don't agree with. I give my points of view in a clear, non-provocative manner. The ZAM forums seem to have a sort of caste system where like-minded people are at the top and anyone with a dissenting voice becomes a pariah.

If you are making a whole new FFXIVhead(?) forum, you should probably look into a more modern karma system that's fair to everybody.

In response to your reasoning, I don't think anyone would be able to use voting privileges to 'retaliate' because they wouldn't know who voted them down.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 9:07pm by Killua125
#20 Apr 17 2013 at 7:19 PM Rating: Good

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So, there's no chance of that changing?

It seems to me like people down vote posts that they don't agree with. I give my points of view in a clear, non-provocative manner. The ZAM forums seem to have a sort of caste system where like-minded people are at the top and anyone with a dissenting voice becomes a pariah.

If you are making a whole new FFXIVhead(?) forum, you should probably look into a more modern karma system that's fair to everybody.

In response to your reasoning, I don't think anyone would be able to use voting privileges to 'retaliate' because they wouldn't know who voted them down.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 9:07pm by Killua125


With you, it's easy, everyone votes you down!


Edited, Apr 17th 2013 9:20pm by Montsegurnephcreep
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Not really, in all likelyhood we'd probably use a Reputation system similar to Wowhead's:

http://www.wowhead.com/reputation
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#22Killua125, Posted: Apr 17 2013 at 7:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That reputation system sounds better, but I don't really like the layout of those forums. It seems too cluttered.
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Yeah, the WoWhead forums are terribad. Please don't go that route. We all like the ZAM forum system. I mean, ****, we're here despite our resident trolls, right? I find the format comfortable to read, comfortable to update, and the karma system really does work (most of the time.)

If you want a clean slate, fine - do what all the FFXI closed server boards did and lock down these boards, make a new ZAM-style forum with fresh boards, and start from scratch. That way we can avoid necro posts for a game that no longer exists. But if they're taken off the ZAM forum system entirely like WoWhead... I'm probably not going to post nearly as often, or not at all. (Horrors, I'll never reach 20K posts at that rate!) It's just too **** convenient to be two clicks away from any other forum on the ZAM board.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 10:10pm by Catwho
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#24 Apr 17 2013 at 8:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, the WoWhead forums are terribad. Please don't go that route. We all like the ZAM forum system. I mean, ****, we're here despite our resident trolls, right? I find the format comfortable to read, comfortable to update, and the karma system really does work (most of the time.)

If you want a clean slate, fine - do what all the FFXI closed server boards did and lock down these boards, make a new ZAM-style forum with fresh boards, and start from scratch. That way we can avoid necro posts for a game that no longer exists. But if they're taken off the ZAM forum system entirely like WoWhead... I'm probably not going to post nearly as often, or not at all. (Horrors, I'll never reach 20K posts at that rate!) It's just too **** convenient to be two clicks away from any other forum on the ZAM board.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 10:10pm by Catwho


Your words aren't lost on me Catwho Smiley: smile

Plenty of time for changes still, nothing at all is set in stone yet.
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#25 Apr 18 2013 at 12:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Since the downgrade -because i don't like you- is there, and also when some people disagree with someones post downgrade and he might end up sub-defaulted (believe there was an occasion you had to grade up an OP because what he was saying wasn't bad or trolling) i suggest something else. Like making it so there is no downgrade and only "like" faction. Again though you need to get some likes to "lvl up".

Just my 2cents on the matter.
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#26 Apr 18 2013 at 5:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm pretty sure someone is immune to karma for the first few posts. (Ten, or so?) So someone can come in, make a few newbie mistakes, but clean up their act and quickly soar to Guru by being witty and conversational by post 100. It's happened to plenty of people.

Very few people actually bother with the "because I don't like you" for posters - ****, there are posters in the Asylum, in XI, and in other Cross site areas that I dislike intensively but have grudgingly rated up because they've made a good point. Systematically rating someone down, e.g. karma camping, is considered bad forum behavior and when suspected can be reported to a mod.

No, our current crop of trolls deserve every bit of bad karma they've earned. Just because they can't figure out why we're rating them down every post doesn't mean they deserve it any less.

The first time I ever joined an IRC chat channel, I was naive and asked them moderator of the first place I landed, "I heard you could download movies and stuff here?" Within a few minutes of an increasingly hostile conversation, I was kicked out of the channel. I didn't feel like I did anything wrong, but as it turns out the pure chat IRC places resented the download piracy places because they assumed they might eventually get IRC completely banned. (Fortunately for the fansub industry, Bittorent and Pirate Bay turned out to be easier targets. IRC is still where you go to find fansubbed anime you can't get anywhere else.)

No matter what forum ratings system is used, there will be people who just don't "get" the culture that the rest of the forum has built up, and will have trouble fitting in. The karma system at least empowers regular users to deal with bad behavior proactively instead of tattling to a mod any time someone says anything stupid.
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