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#1 Apr 17 2013 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
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Lol, dramatic title for the win! But no, some fairly new news has poped up about versus.. Just wanted to see what my friends at zam think! :) http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/17/square-enix-final-fantasy-versus-xiii-news-is-coming ...Opps FFXIII! ..Its early and im at work x.x;

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Not crapping on your excitement but I must be the only one who doesn't give a fig about FF Versus whatevernumberitisnow.
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Not crapping on your excitement but I must be the only one who doesn't give a fig about FF Versus whatevernumberitisnow.

I probably fall in the same boat Wint, but in fairness, I tend to be cynical about most things.

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Not crapping on your excitement but I must be the only one who doesn't give a fig about FF Versus whatevernumberitisnow.

I probably fall in the same boat Wint, but in fairness, I tend to be cynical about most things.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 9:13am by TurboTom


Well it's odd for me because I'm usually very optimistic, especially about anything Final Fantasy related. Not sure why this can't seem to hold my attention though.
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I cared about this game in '07.
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Not sure why this can't seem to hold my attention though.
I've felt the same way since 8. 11 was a fluke as far as I'm concerned
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Man i used to care about this Game! But they have made me wait so long, that i just do not even care, plus is a date to tell us information lol
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~~~Sorry I didn't see the original post!

Well let me say this.

I am a massive Final Fantasy fan. I'm one of those who will buy their crap even if it sucks? Why? Is it because I'm a sucker? Is it because I'm a *********? Is it because I'm from the midwest and we're blindly loyal? Maybe it's a bit of all those things, but I think it's mostly something else...

Squaresoft backin the day made absolutely incredible games. In fact as far as I'm concerned only 2 numbered games have disappointed me, those being X and XIII (let us not argue about X, I know some loved it, while others feel the same way as me.) Even XII which wasn't necessarily a traditional FF had all the elements that go into any great FF... character development was a bit lacking, but I really enjoyed a "more mature" story. Point being, they've made games that have created memories which I will take with me forever, they've in fact to an extent formed who I am (unless I develop Alzheimers or some other debilitating for of dementia, at which time I will promptly forget all my FF memories lol.) I think this is something a lot of us can say who have been around the Square franchise since we were younger (I'm now 28.) Even though their few previous games haven't been good, I'll always be willing to "give them a second chance." I think ALL OF US can agree with that, given the fact that we're on a message board for the official "FF XIV: A Second Chance" mmo.

As a brief aside, I personally believe the end of the "World Map" coincided with a dark fay for SE... The world map created such a nice way to introduce sidequests, and was over all a nice change up to the pace of play. Bottom-line, it just worked. XII lacked this, but the areas between cities were very nice replacements for world maps.

Anywho, I can honestly say I follow the numbered series pretty closely but the off branch titles I do not follow at all... and today I just for the first time really found out about XIII versus and I can say I'm overjoyed that I haven't been tracking this since 2006 but have now found it! This game reminds me something of the Secret of Mana title which was inspired by FF but not entirely related. If this game is released and can capture that same feeling that Secret of Mana was able to, I will indeed be a happy camper.
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It's not that I don't care because I had to wait such a long time, actually I find that to be a dumb reason to not care.

The reason why I don't care is because it takes place in the FFXIII universe, and I don't really care about the FFXIII universe.
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Since you moved it here I'm going to go ahead and nuke your post je######
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It's not that I don't care because I had to wait such a long time, actually I find that to be a dumb reason to not care.


What's dumb about it? It's been 6+ years. After waiting so long interest fades and people move on to other things. It's tired news at this point and there's nothing exciting about it anymore.

If the game turns out to be groundbreaking and awesome then fine, maybe it was worth the wait, but until something substantial is released a lot of people simply won't give a ****.
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I think S-E has learned their lesson to not even announce games until they're ready.

FFXII was announced in 2001 and took them five years, people have their own opinions on whether they liked it or not but it was a complete game. They should have announced it when it was 2005 or so.

FFXIV was announced in 2009 and came out incomplete a year later. They made the announcement too early and released it too early. Anyone else remember the next generation MMO Rapture engine that eventually turned into XIV they announced way back in 05? And now it's already been scrapped.

Versus... well see the title.

It's better for S-E to keep silent about their stuff until it's mostly ready. I guess they learned their lesson since there's a big unannounced console game they're working on that's being headed by Hiroyuki Ito. (Director of IX, XII)
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I think this game was put on hold for the most part, so teams could be moved to XIV. Not that XIV is almost out of the gate, a full team can begin putting the last half of the game out the door.
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It's better for S-E to keep silent about their stuff until it's mostly ready. I guess they learned their lesson since there's a big unannounced console game they're working on that's being headed by Hiroyuki Ito. (Director of IX, XII)

If this game is XV. I wil.... I will....I willl......initiat.e.. self..pleas.ur.e bom.bbbb....
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I see Bravely Default is confirmed for the US in 2014, this makes me happy. Anyone want to trade a 3DS XL for my 3DS regular? My paws are too big for my tiny 3DS Smiley: frown
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I see Bravely Default is confirmed for the US in 2014, this makes me happy. Anyone want to trade a 3DS XL for my 3DS regular? My paws are too big for my tiny 3DS Smiley: frown


Between that and the Link to the Past sequel I'm pretty much obligated to buy a 3DS now. I held out as long as I could.

Also Fire Emblem......
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What's dumb about it? It's been 6+ years. After waiting so long interest fades and people move on to other things. It's tired news at this point and there's nothing exciting about it anymore.

If the game turns out to be groundbreaking and awesome then fine, maybe it was worth the wait, but until something substantial is released a lot of people simply won't give a sh*t.


Because I've never heard of a game failing because they "waited too long". The game failed because when they finally released the game, it was bad or wasn't worth the half a decade wait. (Duke Nukem Forever is a good example of this.)

They should have announced the FF Versus XIII game when they knew they would release in the next year. It wouldn't have mattered to us about waiting 6+ years because we didn't know about it in the first place.
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I see Bravely Default is confirmed for the US in 2014, this makes me happy. Anyone want to trade a 3DS XL for my 3DS regular? My paws are too big for my tiny 3DS Smiley: frown


Between that and the Link to the Past sequel I'm pretty much obligated to buy a 3DS now. I held out as long as I could.

Also Fire Emblem......


I'm really happy with mine, Mario Kart 7 is awesome, the re-release of Ocarina of Time is awesome, there are so many games I want and zero time to play any of them Smiley: frown
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#21Killua125, Posted: Apr 17 2013 at 12:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) "The date for the next information reveal is set, but we're not telling to you that date yet, and we might not even give you much information."
#22 Apr 17 2013 at 12:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Square Enix... I will buy it when (if ever) it comes out


Why?

Honestly this has puzzled me for years now. People have been jumping up and down about FF13 Versus since it was announced back in caveman times. But I can't seem to figure out why.

As far as I can tell there's been next to no information about it other than that of its existence and its apparent relationship to FF13. That seems like that's pretty much it. And yet people have been drooling over it for something like 4 or 5 years now.

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It looks okay. I don't think it will be a sh*t game. The way they have handled it is totally inexcusable, unfair to their customers, unfair to everyone... just disgusting behavior all around, and this "announcement about announcements" should be proof enough that they're scumbags.

Having said that, I buy a lot of games... come release date, I just buy a game based on whether or not I think will have fun. I don't really concern myself with how it got to the shelves at that point.

Why I would buy it, specifically? It looks like Kingdom Hearts, but trying to be gritty/dark. I would rather a Kingdom Hearts 3, but what are you gonna do? Maybe in 2018 or so. Smiley: frown

There's gameplay and stuff, so it's not as if there's no information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ7MwTXYLpg

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Ok, must have missed that when it happened, thanks for sharing it.

That at least gives me some clue as to WHAT it is. I'm a little curious about why this is a Final Fantasy, though I suppose Crisis Core had a similar combat system... sort of... not really...

I don't know... it looks like it might be fine. I've been burned by SE a few too many times to take it on faith at this point.

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Lol, dramatic title for the win! But no, some fairly new news has poped up about versus.. Just wanted to see what my friends at zam think! :) http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/17/square-enix-final-fantasy-versus-xiii-news-is-coming ...Opps FFXIII! ..Its early and im at work x.x;

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About an announcement of an announcement of an announcement? Smiley: tongue

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Ok, must have missed that when it happened, thanks for sharing it.

That at least gives me some clue as to WHAT it is. I'm a little curious about why this is a Final Fantasy, though I suppose Crisis Core had a similar combat system... sort of... not really...

I don't know... it looks like it might be fine. I've been burned by SE a few too many times to take it on faith at this point.


Unfortunately, Square Enix isn't worth anyone's faith or trust at this point.

I say I'll probably buy it, but that opinion could easily change as more information comes out (if it ever does). The only Square Enix games I end up buying these days are from Eidos.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 3:22pm by Killua125
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I hadn't been paying any attention to it. Seeing the trailer, it does remind me of Crisis Core, which I actually enjoyed a lot.

Personally I wouldn't care if they slapped a XV on if it turns out to be good. Perhaps that would make up for the last few installments. It will sell better with a number and they could really use a win in that column, especially with no real promise of a XV already, and having been so long since the last release.
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Actually they should just start doing that in general. Don't announce the title--wait til they come up with something promising and then say, "Surprise! It's actually the next in the series!"
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I hadn't been paying any attention to it. Seeing the trailer, it does remind me of Crisis Core, which I actually enjoyed a lot.

Personally I wouldn't care if they slapped a XV on if it turns out to be good. Perhaps that would make up for the last few installments. It will sell better with a number and they could really use a win in that column, especially with no real promise of a XV already, and having been so long since the last release.


I would rather see XV go back to the series roots, rather than release a main title as an Action-rpg.

As far as going back to the series roots, I know some are against it, but at worst it's as bad as XIII at best it makes the company look like a collection of geniuses and it puts the franchise back on top.

Also, if no one has noticed, all the MAJOR jrpgs that everyone wets their pants about when they find out they're going to be released in the US, are indeed old-school FFesque type games. Coincidence? I think not.
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Perhaps that would make up for the last few installments. It will sell better with a number and they could really use a win in that column, especially with no real promise of a XV already, and having been so long since the last release.


It doesn't necessarily have to be a numbered title.. but it'll definite sell better if it distances itself from FF13
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Or do what Final Fantasy Agito XIII did. Rename itself to something else. (Type-0)
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A little off topic, but this thread made me think of the game " The Last Guardian." I loved Shadow of the Colossus and ICO , and I was pumped when I first heard about the Last guardian , but a this point I'm not too sure if I'll bother buying it IF it ever comes out.It's been YEARS since they announced it.
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I'd like XV to put a brake on fast paced active time battles and go back to a conditional turn based system. X's brilliant strength was that if you had to, you could put the controller down and take a phone call or run to the potty, and since it was purely turn based, you could pick up where you left off without missing a beat.

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Well you could do that in the other games too. Just change the ATB system to "Wait" or if you were waiting for the turns to start, you could hit "Pause".
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Or do what Final Fantasy Agito XIII did. Rename itself to something else. (Type-0)


It's still about l'Cie. That's why I'm wondering how Versus could change to XV... it's part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis series, so it probably will be related to XIII, just like Type-0.

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I'd like XV to put a brake on fast paced active time battles and go back to a conditional turn based system. X's brilliant strength was that if you had to, you could put the controller down and take a phone call or run to the potty, and since it was purely turn based, you could pick up where you left off without missing a beat.

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I don't know if I would call that Final Fantasy X's brilliant strength. You can do that in any game with a pause button. (I like turn based systems, but not because it gives me the freedom to go use the bathroom)

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A pause button performs the same function, but it's harder to resume play in an active time game after a pause because you may not remember exactly what action you were about to perform, or what had just been performed on you. The CTB system allowed you to ponder your next move and put some strategy into what characters were in play at any given time. (Monster about to do a horrible nasty attack? Time for some Yuna summon action to tank!)

Oh man. A Tactics style game with modern graphics would be awesome.
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I agree wholeheartedly. I think a lot of people do. I don't know if you mean beautiful HD sprites or a full 3D Tactics, but I would really be fine with either.

If Square Enix's next Tactics release is an HD re-release, I'm going to be upset...
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A pause button performs the same function, but it's harder to resume play in an active time game after a pause because you may not remember exactly what action you were about to perform, or what had just been performed on you. The CTB system allowed you to ponder your next move and put some strategy into what characters were in play at any given time. (Monster about to do a horrible nasty attack? Time for some Yuna summon action to tank!)

Oh man. A Tactics style game with modern graphics would be awesome.


I'm playing Tactics this very moment Smiley: smile, for like the 3029480329 time. At least the psp version let me feel awesome with Dark Knight. Oh, I feel bad sacrificing my Aeons lol. Smiley: sly

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Well you could do that in the other games too. Just change the ATB system to "Wait" or if you were waiting for the turns to start, you could hit "Pause".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA8fx-RFRns
It's kind of funny that alot of the direction XIV was moving towards but moves away from now is some of the directions this game took. But this game was not the original creators of this type of battle system. No, this battle type system is a combination of many FF in the past.
-Directional/Positional effects(Various FF including XI)
-ADB(Final Fantasy XII)
-CTB control during chain attacks(Borrowed from FFX)
-Queue type system in chain attacks(Originally but poorly implemented in XIV, also in XIII)
-Gear properties(FFIX and FFVII, etc)
The only element none of these have is a skill property modifier.(Which XIV had in alpha but again poorly implemented)
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Xenoblade Chronicles had a very fun system.

FFXIV ARR has some aspects of it though, such as falling damage which they showed in one of their letter lives. And the gear attachments which XIV will have in form of materia.

Edited, Apr 18th 2013 5:48am by UltKnightGrover
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Xenoblade Chronicles had a very fun system.

FFXIV ARR has some aspects of it though, such as falling damage which they showed in one of their letter lives. And the gear attachments which XIV will have in form of materia.

Edited, Apr 18th 2013 5:48am by UltKnightGrover

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Actually I'm ok with the rumors of it being an numeral title.

If Kingdom Hearts and Dissidia were any indication, the Final Fantasy franchise will actually lend itself well to the Action RPG genre.
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I think Dissidia is probably the best title they've put out since, well, Dissidia. It's been a while. Though I'm not up on some of their other acquired titles like the new Tomb Raider.
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