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#1 Apr 22 2013 at 8:06 AM Rating: Decent
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shouldnt we be on phase 3 by now? or at least this week?
#2 Apr 22 2013 at 8:30 AM Rating: Good
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i believe 2 is 1-3 weeks, so we could possibly have 1 more week of testing followed by 1-2 week debug. disappointing to say the least :(
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#3 Apr 22 2013 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
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It all depends on how well the current stage is going, if they need to take longer than thats fine. What about stage 2, I've only seen anything about when it started. Figure they would tell us when each phase starts and send out more invites.
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#4 Apr 22 2013 at 8:42 AM Rating: Decent
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phase 2 started like the beginning of this month if not earlier
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phase 2 started like the beginning of this month if not earlier


Where is the post mentioning that?
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phase 2 started like the beginning of this month if not earlier


Which was 3 weeks ago. Which is the max length projected from the road map. At best Phase 3 would start next week or the first full week in May, depending on how much down time they need between phases, assuming your assessment of when phase 2 started is accurate.
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#8 Apr 22 2013 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good
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I would guess probably 1 to 2 weeks between phases. Especially as phase 3 is supposed to open up quite a bit more of the game as compared with phases 1 and 2.

That being said, I wouldn't look at the roadmap as a schedule carved in stone.
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Game Development is always a rough schedule. Better to get the kinks worked out now and take the player feedback and the beta time to improve rather than ignore it and push it out anyway. Right, 1.0 team?

...1.0 team?
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Game Development is always a rough schedule. Better to get the kinks worked out now and take the player feedback and the beta time to improve rather than ignore it and push it out anyway. Right, 1.0 team?

...1.0 team?


Think that applies to Software Development in general. Doesn't matter if its gaming or another software project, the users want it in the least amount of time. So when its released to them in the time the customers want and its full of problems they always complain. Such as v1, but then again they didn't even listen to the testers and released it full of problems. Only got into the open beta from v1 and was hoping to get in the closed one this time around, I'm guessing they don't like the specs I sent in.


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#11 Apr 22 2013 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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From the Live Letter, it sounds like it's gonna be extended, not due to phase 2 testing, but due to phase 3 (and the PS3 version) not being ready.

Just my guess though.
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Phase 3 is when they are importing our chars from v1 correct? If that's the case could be a reason.
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Wint wrote:
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phase 2 started like the beginning of this month if not earlier


Which was 3 weeks ago. Which is the max length projected from the road map. At best Phase 3 would start next week or the first full week in May, depending on how much down time they need between phases, assuming your assessment of when phase 2 started is accurate.



assuming my assessment of what Phase 2 started is accurate? Dont YOU know? I mean I coulda sworn the start of Phase 2 was announced via Live blog or letter from the producer was it not? Thus everyone here should know when/ii Phase 2 started
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
shouldnt we be on phase 3 by now? or at least this week?


Based on original roadmap, ARR should be out by now.
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phase 2 started like the beginning of this month if not earlier


Which was 3 weeks ago. Which is the max length projected from the road map. At best Phase 3 would start next week or the first full week in May, depending on how much down time they need between phases, assuming your assessment of when phase 2 started is accurate.



assuming my assessment of what Phase 2 started is accurate? Dont YOU know? I mean I coulda sworn the start of Phase 2 was announced via Live blog or letter from the producer was it not? Thus everyone here should know when/ii Phase 2 started


No clue, I don't obsessively check dates. Either way you need to calm your ****.
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Of course we know. We're just not allowed to tell you.



Not allowed to tell? Lol if it was posted in a liveblog or letter from the producer for ALL to see then I dont think that information is under NDA... sooo not allowed to tell? ookay
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
shouldnt we be on phase 3 by now? or at least this week?


Based on original roadmap, ARR should be out by now.



umm original? we're talkin about the most recent roadmap released which is different from the original and based on THAT one no ARR shouldnt be out by now
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I'd expect the open beta by the 7th-15th of next month. I'd tell you what phase they are on if I wouldn't get censored for a document that I never had the privilege of agreeing to.

Even though I have wanted to desperately play this game for 3 years, I have started to become a bit more wary in the last couple months. SE as been overly selective of those that get to participate in the closed beta, which is fine. The problem is the majority of their beta has been testing one part of a supposedly huge game. Yes, phase three is supposed to bring in the other cities, but that doesn't leave much time to have people test all of the content the game will offer, especially the end-game content. If there are some major issues that might need to be addressed I don't think that they will have the ability to test those issues again before the beta ends. With a large portion of their playerbase going to be ready to tackle this content (and it being one of the biggest contributors to the downfall of multiple recent MMOs) you would think that they would spend more time with this content open to testing.
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#20 Apr 22 2013 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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ive never heard of beta testing for endgame content in an mmo... that would suggest that the game had all that at day one befor erelase and teh beta was so long everyone hit max level to DO endgame content during the beta.. for example.. Dynamis wanst implemented in FFXI in day one but beta was only done PRE FFXI relase... so who beta tested dynamis?, Sky? Sea? etc etc


we played that stuff when it gcame out and patches/updates fixed whatever was broken
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ive never heard of beta testing for endgame content in an mmo..


WoW does it every expansion. The first tier anyway. Subsequent tiers are tested by anyone that wants to on the Public Test Realm.

Here's why not testing XIV's endgame in beta is a problem though: Legacy players exist.

The XIV team doesn't actually have the requisite 3 months or so before people work their way to endgame content. The legacy players aren't losing all their levels, and many of them have multiple max-level classes. Those people will be looking at endgame right away. It needs to be ready.
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ive never heard of beta testing for endgame content in an mmo... that would suggest that the game had all that at day one befor erelase and teh beta was so long everyone hit max level to DO endgame content during the beta.. for example.. Dynamis wanst implemented in FFXI in day one but beta was only done PRE FFXI relase... so who beta tested dynamis?, Sky? Sea? etc etc


we played that stuff when it gcame out and patches/updates fixed whatever was broken


iirc, TOR actually did have some endgame stuff in it's beta. You could actually get to level cap in it.
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XI has open beta content on the test server on a regular basis, actually. Well, open to anyone with an account.
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XI has open beta content on the test server on a regular basis, actually. Well, open to anyone with an account.



yeah now.. Im speaking pre release (you know which is when betas are usually done) i.e before FFXI was officially launched for ANYONE to play/buy... i know they have test servers and stuff like that now.. but pre launch? no
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Well, in the Live Letter from Mr. Yoshi, he made it seem like there will be a lot of marketing for phase three, unless I was reading it wrong. Like a new trailer, some footage of our new classes, etc.

So, when you see another marketing push, you can assume we're in phase 3. I can't wait!
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unless there was something that could thrust you to max level?
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unless there was something that could thrust you to max level?


I expect anything that would let you skip levels would be disabled for Phase 3 on. The roadmap says character data is deleted between phase 3 and 4, does anyone have a link to where it's said they will be allowing data transfer?

There was this caveat with the phase 4 to launch data transfer as well:

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The only way they should even consider beta testing end game in beta, is if they have so much of it, that what we would experiance is a drop in an ocean, but considering that will not be the case, why make us get bored of what few end game content we will have 3 months before official release.....

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The only way they should even consider beta testing end game in beta, is if they have so much of it, that what we would experiance is a drop in an ocean, but considering that will not be the case, why make us get bored of what few end game content we will have 3 months before official release.....


Yep, completely agree. On a related note, I always find it odd that people rush to test the new endgame content on PTS of games. I mean, I understand getting a headstart on the competition and all, but I'd much rather wait until release and enjoy endgame on my actual character. If I played endgame content on the PTS, I'd just burn myself out that much faster once it goes live. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me...
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Yep, completely agree. On a related note, I always find it odd that people rush to test the new endgame content on PTS of games. I mean, I understand getting a headstart on the competition and all, but I'd much rather wait until release and enjoy endgame on my actual character. If I played endgame content on the PTS, I'd just burn myself out that much faster once it goes live. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me...


You're not a hardcore progression raider.

In progression-focused groups, anything that aids progression is required. The serious ones will insist on PTR testing because it gives them an early shot at encounters they'll have to progress through later. This dramatically cuts down the time it takes them to clear that content and move on to hard modes.

World first competitors take that even more seriously.

Honestly, if you don't fall into one of those categories, then you don't need to worry about testing new content like that. Just get to it when you get to it and learn it as you go. No problem.
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Wint wrote:
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unless there was something that could thrust you to max level?


I expect anything that would let you skip levels would be disabled for Phase 3 on. The roadmap says character data is deleted between phase 3 and 4, does anyone have a link to where it's said they will be allowing data transfer?

There was this caveat with the phase 4 to launch data transfer as well:

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I thought it said that character data was supposed to be wiped after all phases but they didn't however it will still be wiped before phase 3 starts, which is also when 1.0 data will be moved over and more areas will be opened up. All that should be happening in phase 3, right?
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Character Data wiped after each phase, EXCEPT phase 4.
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Dammit, I can't say anything Smiley: lol

Let's just say SE is not obligated to follow their own roadmap.
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Dammit, I can't say anything Smiley: lol

Let's just say SE is not obligated to follow their own roadmap.


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Dammit, I can't say anything Smiley: lol

Let's just say SE is not obligated to follow their own roadmap.


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Dammit, I can't say anything Smiley: lol

Let's just say SE is not obligated to follow their own roadmap.


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