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#1 Apr 23 2013 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dont know how many have seen this or if its been posted.. But I thought I would post. Its pretty recent. Enjoy! ..Or don't?

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/04/12/interview-naoki-yoshida-final-fantasy-xiv/
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Worldless structures? :O
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I'm glad they're not doing that just yet.
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Yoshi-P wrote:
We are not planning to have Final Fantasy XIV appear on Steam at release


Square Enix... get it together.
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Killua125 wrote:
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We are not planning to have Final Fantasy XIV appear on Steam at release


Square Enix... get it together.


Whether or not we can get this on Steam is the least of my concerns. Steam is cool and all....but being required to launch games through a platform can sometimes be irritating. Battlefield 3 anyone? Yuck. I prefer the days of install, click icon, play.
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Killua125 wrote:
Yoshi-P wrote:
We are not planning to have Final Fantasy XIV appear on Steam at release


Square Enix... get it together.


Have you not seen the mess they have made with FFXI via Steam?
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Have you not seen the mess they have made with FFXI via Steam?


That would support my point, but no - I'm not aware of it.

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Whether or not we can get this on Steam is the least of my concerns. Steam is cool and all....but being required to launch games through a platform can sometimes be irritating. Battlefield 3 anyone? Yuck. I prefer the days of install, click icon, play.


Steam release is a pretty big deal for new PC games/sales. Tons of gamers make all their PC game purchases through Steam.

A lot of gamers also just look at Steam for news on upcoming releases, so even ARR being on the 'coming soon' list is huge advertising.

Bad move.

Edited, Apr 23rd 2013 2:35pm by Killua125
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From another interview here:

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Nova Crystallis: In regards to the PC version, will there be a Steam client available?
Yoshida: We won’t be supporting that one. They’re pretty expensive.


I'm not sure what expensive means, either requirements wise or the cut they take...
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Probably the 30% Steam takes from sales.
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Probably the 30% Steam takes from sales.


Holy **** it's 30%? Man I'd say F steam too.
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I think it varies depending on the game, but it must end up being worth it with every major game release being sold on Steam.

The website has a huge user base and like I said, just being put on sale there is tons of advertising, specifically to hordes of PC gamers, that they probably aren't going to get anywhere else.

I just can't comprehend not doing a Steam release for this.

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I think it varies depending on the game, but it must end up being worth it with every major game release being sold on Steam.

The website has a huge user base and like I said, just being put on sale there is tons of advertising, specifically to hordes of PC gamers, that they probably aren't going to get anywhere else.

I just can't comprehend not doing a Steam release for this.

Edited, Apr 23rd 2013 2:54pm by Killua125


If we assume a steam release would increase their sales and playerbase by at least 30%, I'd have to agree Killua. I hope the decision not to release it through steam was come to through a scientific means and not just an assumption that they won't make as much money in the long run some how.
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Killua125 wrote:
RampagingAnts wrote:
Have you not seen the mess they have made with FFXI via Steam?


That would support my point, but no - I'm not aware of it.

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Whether or not we can get this on Steam is the least of my concerns. Steam is cool and all....but being required to launch games through a platform can sometimes be irritating. Battlefield 3 anyone? Yuck. I prefer the days of install, click icon, play.


Steam release is a pretty big deal for new PC games/sales. Tons of gamers make all their PC game purchases through Steam.

A lot of gamers also just look at Steam for news on upcoming releases, so even ARR being on the 'coming soon' list is huge advertising.

Bad move.

Edited, Apr 23rd 2013 2:35pm by Killua125



steam did $hit a brick with XI! Was ****** after downloading it and spending a day trying to log on! Their not that great with other games 2. Empire total war "I bought the hard disk" but I was still prompted by steam to do a digital download! 6 hrs! Googled how bypass it in my second hr so the CD install only took minutes. As you see I'm not to thrilled on steam!
#14 Apr 23 2013 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't actually remember the last PC game I bought that WASN'T through Steam.

Cut or no cut, not having a Steam release is a huge misstep.
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#15 Apr 23 2013 at 2:36 PM Rating: Excellent
Steam really takes a 30 percent cut?

Wow.

The client for people who never bought version 1 is only going to cost like $40, right? That's like $20 cheaper than any other new AAA title nowadays.

There's the cut that would normally go toward Steam. I like the trade though, if that means everyone gets the game at a cheaper price.
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Steam really takes a 30 percent cut?

Wow.

The client for people who never bought version 1 is only going to cost like $40, right? That's like $20 cheaper than any other new AAA title nowadays.

There's the cut that would normally go toward Steam. I like the trade though, if that means everyone gets the game at a cheaper price.


Not sure about that. At least on Amazon the price is $29.99. I am aware that may just be a placeholder however...
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Thayos wrote:
Steam really takes a 30 percent cut?

Wow.

The client for people who never bought version 1 is only going to cost like $40, right? That's like $20 cheaper than any other new AAA title nowadays.

There's the cut that would normally go toward Steam. I like the trade though, if that means everyone gets the game at a cheaper price.


I think you probably shouldn't take that information at face value from an anonymous forum user, but I would assume it's a very sizable cut. You have to consider the advertising and sales produced in exchange. If Square Enix offered their game through Steam, they would boost the quality of the game with higher populations, and a lot of people consider Steam very convenient.

I highly doubt price being under $60 is a result or 'trade off' of not being on Steam. The decision is simply a bad one. Less people will know about the game, less people will buy it, less people will be playing due to no Steam release.

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What they may do is try to get all the initial full price box sales they can, and once the initial surge is done, THEN put it on Steam to try to capture the rest of the folks. I'd say six months, probably about the same timeframe they plan to roll out the DX11 client for high end systems.

It also means Steam gets a slightly more polished product, since there will inevitably be a few bugs that slipped past beta.
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What they may do is try to get all the initial full price box sales they can, and once the initial surge is done, THEN put it on Steam to try to capture the rest of the folks. I'd say six months, probably about the same timeframe they plan to roll out the DX11 client for high end systems.

It also means Steam gets a slightly more polished product, since there will inevitably be a few bugs that slipped past beta.


WHAT??? Did I miss something? Is that really happening?
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#20 Apr 23 2013 at 7:17 PM Rating: Excellent
I had a steam account... It got hacked. I started a new one, but I will never play an MMO through Steam after what happened... Not worth the risk.
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Wow someone really hates Steam... rated the whole thread down.

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I had a steam account... It got hacked. I started a new one, but I will never play an MMO through Steam after what happened... Not worth the risk.


That definitely sucks and it's a legit concern. But for MMOs, Steam is pretty much just a purchasing platform. I don't think Steam handles the DRM for MMOs. At least I'm pretty sure it doesn't for The Secret World or FFXI.
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What they may do is try to get all the initial full price box sales they can, and once the initial surge is done, THEN put it on Steam to try to capture the rest of the folks. I'd say six months, probably about the same timeframe they plan to roll out the DX11 client for high end systems.

It also means Steam gets a slightly more polished product, since there will inevitably be a few bugs that slipped past beta.


WHAT??? Did I miss something? Is that really happening?


The DX11 client is confirmed for about six months after initial product release, yes.

Yoshi P is pretty good about not reneging on promises.
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What they may do is try to get all the initial full price box sales they can, and once the initial surge is done, THEN put it on Steam to try to capture the rest of the folks. I'd say six months, probably about the same timeframe they plan to roll out the DX11 client for high end systems.

It also means Steam gets a slightly more polished product, since there will inevitably be a few bugs that slipped past beta.


WHAT??? Did I miss something? Is that really happening?


The DX11 client is confirmed for about six months after initial product release, yes.

Yoshi P is pretty good about not reneging on promises.


So I'm not a super computer buff. What is the advantage of going DX11? I have it, I just don't know what it is doing for me. I know enough to understand specifics, but I don't know what those specifics are.
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What they may do is try to get all the initial full price box sales they can, and once the initial surge is done, THEN put it on Steam to try to capture the rest of the folks. I'd say six months, probably about the same timeframe they plan to roll out the DX11 client for high end systems.

It also means Steam gets a slightly more polished product, since there will inevitably be a few bugs that slipped past beta.


WHAT??? Did I miss something? Is that really happening?


The DX11 client is confirmed for about six months after initial product release, yes.

Yoshi P is pretty good about not reneging on promises.


So I'm not a super computer buff. What is the advantage of going DX11? I have it, I just don't know what it is doing for me. I know enough to understand specifics, but I don't know what those specifics are.


Relatively few games use it yet. You would have to look it up to see what its does for the graphics to understand but it can basically gives real textures to things. At least that is one thing I have seen.
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Wow someone really hates Steam... rated the whole thread down.


It was more than 1 person lol.
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I don't like Steam, personally. But I also wasn't rating everyone down about it. But my hate for Steam arises from the independent developers side more than the gamers' side. (But I also don't like applications that try to force its way to opening up when I start my computer, either.)

I also like opening games out of my desktop, I don't want Steam managing my games for me. Maybe I'm just old school.

As for S-E, I think FFXIV not being on Steam probably arises out of their relationship with FFXI. From what I understand, they couldn't get Seekers of Adoulin due to technical difficulties on Steam and had to discount people who bought it from there. And they don't want to go through that same mess with ARR.

So, it's not just S-E that should be getting it together. It should be Valve that should be getting it together. Or maybe both?
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Main reason most MMOs don't like steam is because they take cuts from from cash shop sales.
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But my hate for Steam arises from the independent developers side more than the gamers' side. (But I also don't like applications that try to force its way to opening up when I start my computer, either.)


It seems like independent developers have gotten tons of popularity and made a lot of money from their games through Steam.

http://www.howtogeek.com/74523/how-to-disable-startup-programs-in-windows/

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As for S-E, I think FFXIV not being on Steam probably arises out of their relationship with FFXI. From what I understand, they couldn't get Seekers of Adoulin due to technical difficulties on Steam and had to discount people who bought it from there. And they don't want to go through that same mess with ARR.

So, it's not just S-E that should be getting it together. It should be Valve that should be getting it together. Or maybe both?


How would those technical difficulties have been the fault of Steam? I'm more inclined to think that it was a Square Enix mess-up, not that Valve needs to shape up.

I probably sound like a fanboy, and I kind of am. Steam is very pro-consumer, it's very convenient, it has great sales, nice layout, etc. I really like the site. The game not being sold there is an inconvenience for me.

I know a crap load of people who just don't buy PC games outside of Steam. Ever.

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You contacted customer support and they couldn't solve the problem?

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You also know a crap load of people who apparently go with your doom and gloom, just sayin'.

We can have a private discussion about how Steam is unfriendly to developers, because that would be largely veering off topic, and I can rant on that for hours.

Valve is nowhere near perfect and Gabe Newell said he's going to change things in the future in order to make things more convienent on both sides of the table. Steam's technical difficulties could have arose with incompatibility with S-E's websites for accounts, or the PlayOnline Viewer's adjustments to handle Seekers, who knows.

As I've posted before, the fault can go either way.



Yes, that can be done. I did that with Windows Live Messenger way back in the day (before I uninstalled it and moved on to better IM services). But that isn't an excuse for Valve insisting that Steam opens with no option to disable auto-startup in their own native user interface.

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I also like opening games out of my desktop, I don't want Steam managing my games for me. Maybe I'm just old school.


I completely agree. This is the main reason I don't like Steam.

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I know a crap load of people who just don't buy PC games outside of Steam. Ever.


What a coincidence! I know "a crap load" of people who don't like Steam and don't use it. I love talking for a group of people, makes me feel empowered.
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You also know a crap load of people who apparently go with your doom and gloom, just sayin'.


Are you implying that there isn't a lot of people who make their PC game purchases on Steam exclusively? If you scroll up, Callinon in this thread said that same exact thing, I don't know him at all.

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Yes, that can be done. I did that with Windows Live Messenger way back in the day (before I uninstalled it and moved on to better IM services). But that isn't an excuse for Valve insisting that Steam opens with no option to disable auto-startup in their own native user interface.


No, it's right in the interface. There's a check box for "Run Steam when computer starts" in the settings menu.

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Valve is nowhere near perfect


No company is perfect, but I haven't been screwed over by Valve (while, for example, I feel that Square Enix has screwed me over countless times).

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I also like opening games out of my desktop, I don't want Steam managing my games for me. Maybe I'm just old school.


I completely agree. This is the main reason I don't like Steam.


That's fine. A lot of people like the convenience of launching all your games through the Steam menu. I never said "everybody likes Steam", but a lot of people love it, and a lot of people won't even hear about/care about/consider buying ARR due to no Steam release.

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Yes, that can be done. I did that with Windows Live Messenger way back in the day (before I uninstalled it and moved on to better IM services). But that isn't an excuse for Valve insisting that Steam opens with no option to disable auto-startup in their own native user interface.


No, it's right in the interface. There's a check box for "Run Steam when computer starts" in the settings menu.


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I looked this up, and you are right. However, it still wants you to log in before you can modify these settings. I didn't know about this because I installed it and never got all the way to the signing up process.

Anyway, my position on this still stands as the default option for these programs suggest forcing themselves to start upon booting your computer as its default settings. Be it Steam or its competition Desura, IM Messengers, etc.

My one exception to this rule are anti-virus programs that automatically update when your computer is turned on or on a scheduled scan.

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I tried Steam. I didn't like it. I prefer to manage my games on my own.

I also don't tend to download games willy nilly. About the only time I play indi games is with the humble bundle.
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I'll agree that Steam loading at startup can be annoying. It's not subtle about it. But, as was mentioned above, that can be disabled either through Windows or through Steam itself.

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I looked this up, and you are right. However, it still wants you to log in before you can modify these settings. I didn't know about this because I installed it and never got all the way to the signing up process.


So you decided that you hate Steam without ever having tried to use it properly? Seems like a completely valid position.

Obviously Steam is not everyone's cup of tea. We're different, that's ok.

The fact of the matter is though, that Steam is used by 4 to 5 million people every day (I'm not making that up, that's from Steam's own stat tracking). Not reaching out to those people when trying to sell a game is ludicrous. Regardless of how you personally feel about Steam, I think everyone can agree that deliberately ignoring 5 million potential customers is a marketing misstep, especially when trying to convince people that your game is worth playing now.

Nothing to do with startup programs. Nothing to do with game management. Everything in the world to do with marketing.
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So you decided that you hate Steam without ever having tried to use it properly? Seems like a completely valid position.


Well, I can say that I've used Steam several times before and never liked it. On two different occasions I bought and downloaded a game that didn't work at all. I contacted support and got a refund, but it was still really annoying. I'd rather just buy an independent digital download version than go through Steam.

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The fact of the matter is though, that Steam is used by 4 to 5 million people every day (I'm not making that up, that's from Steam's own stat tracking). Not reaching out to those people when trying to sell a game is ludicrous. Regardless of how you personally feel about Steam, I think everyone can agree that deliberately ignoring 5 million potential customers is a marketing misstep, especially when trying to convince people that your game is worth playing now.

Nothing to do with startup programs. Nothing to do with game management. Everything in the world to do with marketing.


This I agree with. Regardless of whether or not I personally use it, or know others who don't like it, I don't disagree that there are tons of people who DO use it, and any good company needs to market themselves any way possible, and Steam certainly would have made sense.

That said, I don't think it's a catastrophic blunder to not be on Steam. Out of the top 100 games being played on Steam, I counted only 5 or so MMO's, and none of them have more than 2500 people playing. It doesn't seem like a ton of Steam users are big MMO players. Steam seems to be more for FPS and strategy games according to their top 100. Sure they could have genereated sales from it, but I don't think that the 3-4 million people are automatically people who would be interested in FFXIV, let alone willing to dish out however much it would cost on Steam. So perhaps the cost to create a Steam-worthy client just wasn't worth it, especially considering they also take a fairly hefty chunk of the sale (even if 30% isn't accurate).
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That said, I don't think it's a catastrophic blunder to not be on Steam. Out of the top 100 games being played on Steam, I counted only 5 or so MMO's, and none of them have more than 2500 people playing. It doesn't seem like a ton of Steam users are big MMO players. Steam seems to be more for FPS and strategy games according to their top 100. Sure they could have genereated sales from it, but I don't think that the 3-4 million people are automatically people who would be interested in FFXIV, let alone willing to dish out however much it would cost on Steam. So perhaps the cost to create a Steam-worthy client just wasn't worth it, especially considering they also take a fairly hefty chunk of the sale (even if 30% isn't accurate).


Well keep in mind that those 2500 people you're seeing there are playing at 10:30am on a Wednesday. I agree that Steam isn't a big platform for MMOs, but it IS a marketing platform. It increases exposure for the game.

Also, there's no need to create a client that integrates with Steam. Just create a client less obtuse than PlayOnline. Any kind of modern launcher-style client will work.
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I dislike Steam..... Is just so.. annoying.
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Well keep in mind that those 2500 people you're seeing there are playing at 10:30am on a Wednesday. I agree that Steam isn't a big platform for MMOs, but it IS a marketing platform. It increases exposure for the game.


True, but when there are 0 mmo's in the top 30 games on Steam, I think it's a fair assessment that the large majority of Steam players are not MMO enthusiasts, or if they are, they don't play them on Steam. Like I said, it's definitely a missed marketing opportunity, I just don't think it's as big of one as some people on here seem to think. Regardless, if it means more people playing and it's not hurting them financially, I'd support it. I definitely agree about having something better than PlayOnline though... that interface was terribad. Let's make 20 clicks before we can even login to the game... that's what people want!
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Agreed to that, dumping PlayOnline for XIV was the best thing they could have done. I didn't like that either.
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