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#1 May 09 2013 at 12:41 PM Rating: Default
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So we all pretty much take for granted there will always be yet another Final Fantasy... however, has anyone ever stopped and wondered when/if in our lifetimes (assuming we're all between the ages of 15-40, or roughly there about, and a life span of ~80) will we see the last installment of the series?

If we estimate that a new installment is released once every 2 years approximately (this doesn't account for variation in production time trends) we would arrive at Final Fantasy XLII (42) by the time we turn 80 and kick the bucket.

So with that said, how many more Final Fantasy games do YOU believe will be produced?

Me personally, I'm a dreamer... so I'll say they stop in the year 2200 at Final Fantasy C (100), at which time virtual reality will have been invented and you will be a living part of the game :)
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A Final Fantasy for PS4 is supposed to be announced at E3 this year, according to IGN. They'd be breaking from the pattern in which each console gets 3 numbered games if it was announced to be XV.

Honestly? The franchise has enough of a reputation that even if SE were to go under, the brand name would be snapped up by someone as part of bankruptcy proceedings. They'd sit on it for a few years and then do a "reboot" - or a new numbered game.

Final Fantasy will never quite go away for good.
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Honestly, the way things are going with the franchise lately, for the right company to take it from SE might be a blessing.
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Honestly, the way things are going with the franchise lately, for the right company to take it from SE might be a blessing.


Agreed, I think a lot of the problem has to do with the fact that the bigger ups at Square are all getting so old. Tanaka was a great example, watching him play 1.0 during those old press vids reminded me of an old man trying to "fumble with this blasted technology." Young Yoshi-P is a good thing. Maybe they'll start onboarding some younger cats in all positions and liven up the company a little bit.
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They're getting...old? If I'm not mistaken, it's the older games in the franchise, created by those "old" bigger ups, that are the source of highest praise among the FF community. I'm really not trying to start an argument here. But from what I understand about the general disappointment that the series is headed in, is that the more "modern" focus is killing what made FF games pure classics. The core FF fanbase is getting older, and the main problem we're dealing with is that the games are not aging with us.
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They're getting...old? If I'm not mistaken, it's the older games in the franchise, created by those "old" bigger ups, that are the source of highest praise among the FF community. I'm really not trying to start an argument here. But from what I understand about the general disappointment that the series is headed in, is that the more "modern" focus is killing what made FF games pure classics. The core FF fanbase is getting older, and the main problem we're dealing with is that the games are not aging with us.


When those older games that received high praise were made, the old higher-ups were young Smiley: grin
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When those older games that received high praise were made, the old higher-ups were young Smiley: grin


Certainly, I can't dispute that. But if it's the goal to have the tried and tested names like Hironobu Sakaguchi staying on, I don't see the sense in hiring younger people who aren't interested in reaching out to the core fanbase. At the rate things are going, sure, they may hire new people, and these people will try to keep appealing to teenagers instead of the fans that have tried to stick by them. They can only reinvent their audience so many times throughout different generations.
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What they're doing now, I hope, is hiring people who were the target demographic of those old games when they were released 20 years ago.
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What they're doing now, I hope, is hiring people who were the target demographic of those old games when they were released 20 years ago.


Yes. Clearly Yoshi is an avid fan of the series and that is what they need: younger hipper employees who know what made the series great. And for the record I use "young" loosely. Yoshi just turned 40. But Tanaka was probably like 55-60 at least. We dont need that, creativity dwindles hard at that age, not even weighing in on family\medical\financial problems.
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But Tanaka was probably like 55-60 at least. We dont need that, creativity dwindles hard at that age, not even weighing in on family\medical\financial problems.


Uh... what?

"Creativity dwindles hard at that age?"

I agree that Tanaka was the wrong guy for the job, but not for a second do I think it had anything to do with his age.
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But Tanaka was probably like 55-60 at least. We dont need that, creativity dwindles hard at that age, not even weighing in on family\medical\financial problems.


Uh... what?

"Creativity dwindles hard at that age?"

I agree that Tanaka was the wrong guy for the job, but not for a second do I think it had anything to do with his age.


Look at Nobuo God bless him made some of the most beautiful music I have ever heard. Didnt he do the music for xiv 1.0? *shudders*


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So we all pretty much take for granted there will always be yet another Final Fantasy... however, has anyone ever stopped and wondered when/if in our lifetimes (assuming we're all between the ages of 15-40, or roughly there about, and a life span of ~80) will we see the last installment of the series?

If we estimate that a new installment is released once every 2 years approximately (this doesn't account for variation in production time trends) we would arrive at Final Fantasy XLII (42) by the time we turn 80 and kick the bucket.

So with that said, how many more Final Fantasy games do YOU believe will be produced?

Me personally, I'm a dreamer... so I'll say they stop in the year 2200 at Final Fantasy C (100), at which time virtual reality will have been invented and you will be a living part of the game :)


Sword Art Online anyone?
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Sword Art Online anyone?


Is probably not that far off actually.

Though a new game going to market with only 10,000 copies? L. O. L.
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A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi were Star Wars! Then we had to sit through Phantom Menace, Clone Wars, and Revenge of the Sith, which although had the name of the franchise, didn't feel too much like Star Wars. Now, we wait for the next three which might be even further removed from the originals and may not be 'star warsy' enough.

I feel Final Fantasy will be much of the same. Although there will always be a title, within the foreseeable future, at some point it will be too far removed to be interesting or recognizable. After more than a dozen titles, ideas may eventually dry up or get unoriginal. Case and point is that players are asking for old titles to be re-released more than new titles to be released.

Final Fantasy is still a cash cow because players who have been invested in the games for decades now have expendable income to spend. We feel a certain sense of nostalgia with each release. At some point, we may get too old or just grow up and sales numbers will decline. I don't know if Final Fantasy carries weight with the younger generation who are growing up on the more FPS themed franchises. As with everything, its time will eventually pass and Final Fantasy will be just a chapter, or 3, in the history book of gaming.
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Tanaka's only 11 years older than Yoshi.
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What they're doing now, I hope, is hiring people who were the target demographic of those old games when they were released 20 years ago.


Yes. Clearly Yoshi is an avid fan of the series and that is what they need: younger hipper employees who know what made the series great. And for the record I use "young" loosely. Yoshi just turned 40. But Tanaka was probably like 55-60 at least. We dont need that, creativity dwindles hard at that age, not even weighing in on family\medical\financial problems.


Tanaka >>> Yoshi anyday, younger hippier employees is not the right answer to their problem, yoshi's solution has been "Well i know what i liked from X title... So lets add it to this title, and GG" That is not what Final Fantasy is about....
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What they're doing now, I hope, is hiring people who were the target demographic of those old games when they were released 20 years ago.


Yes. Clearly Yoshi is an avid fan of the series and that is what they need: younger hipper employees who know what made the series great. And for the record I use "young" loosely. Yoshi just turned 40. But Tanaka was probably like 55-60 at least. We dont need that, creativity dwindles hard at that age, not even weighing in on family\medical\financial problems.


Tanaka >>> Yoshi anyday, younger hippier employees is not the right answer to their problem, yoshi's solution has been "Well i know what i liked from X title... So lets add it to this title, and GG" That is not what Final Fantasy is about....


So by that logic any new idea with awful implementation outweighs tweaking/improving upon ideas that actually work? Final Fantasy is exactly about building upon a pre-existing foundation. In fact, the farther it's strayed from it's roots, the less people have liked it.

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What they're doing now, I hope, is hiring people who were the target demographic of those old games when they were released 20 years ago.


Yes. Clearly Yoshi is an avid fan of the series and that is what they need: younger hipper employees who know what made the series great. And for the record I use "young" loosely. Yoshi just turned 40. But Tanaka was probably like 55-60 at least. We dont need that, creativity dwindles hard at that age, not even weighing in on family\medical\financial problems.


Tanaka >>> Yoshi anyday, younger hippier employees is not the right answer to their problem, yoshi's solution has been "Well i know what i liked from X title... So lets add it to this title, and GG" That is not what Final Fantasy is about....


So by that logic any new idea with awful implementation outweighs tweaking/improving upon ideas that actually work? Final Fantasy is exactly about building upon a pre-existing foundation. In fact, the farther it's strayed from it's roots, the less people have liked it.

Edit: I can't spell today :(

Edited, May 9th 2013 11:35pm by LebargeX


No, but tanka has a proven record, you cannot praise XI, and in the same breath throw him under the bus, because now you got a hip guy, that talks more about himself than about the game he is about to release Smiley: lol and writes letters, so that all the attention starved nerds, feel like special snowflakes. (Like is something never done before... Really is nothing new nor is it special ) Final Fantasy has always been about telling a different story each installation, with familiar concepts like crystals, espers/summons, etc etc. But that does not make a title Final Fantasy by itself, Lost Oddssey had no ifrit, odin, shiva, and no sephiroth look alike, nor a cid or mogles, yet it felt more like a Final Fantasy title, than XIII ever could hope to be.

Smashing together different ideas from different titles into one, and calling it Final Fantasy, is what a fan would do, a bad one at that, each entry into the series, has had a special something that makes then stand on their own two feet, even XI.... XIV is still a game with no identity of it's own, from story to mechanics, it has yet to come up with something unique of it's own.
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No, but tanka has a proven record, you cannot praise XI, and in the same breath throw him under the bus, because now you got a hip guy, that talks more about himself than about the game he is about to release Smiley: lol and writes letters, so that all the attention starved nerds, feel like special snowflakes. (Like is something never done before... Really is nothing new nor is it special ) Final Fantasy has always been about telling a different story each installation, with familiar concepts like crystals, espers/summons, etc etc. But that does not make a title Final Fantasy by itself, Lost Oddssey had no ifrit, odin, shiva, and no sephiroth look alike, nor a cid or mogles, yet it felt more like a Final Fantasy title, than XIII ever could hope to be.

Smashing together different ideas from different titles into one, and calling it Final Fantasy, is what a fan would do, a bad one at that, each entry into the series, has had a special something that makes then stand on their own two feet, even XI.... XIV is still a game with no identity of it's own, from story to mechanics, it has yet to come up with something unique of it's own.

Ah, now I see where your disdain for the series is coming from. You are disappointed with the direction the series has gone. I can't understand why people hate on Tanaka so much either. He directed two mmos. One adored and one hated. I have nothing but admiration for his contributions through the years at Square. Unless you are divine, people make a mistake every so often.

The series will never be what it was due to the core family of what initially made FF famous being gone. Of course the father of FF will leave an impression like that since he is the creator at genesis. I felt an FF soul while playing Lost Odyssey. However, reviewers made him realize that his execution of gameplay mechanics were not modernized enough. I think the best you can hope for is Hiroyuki Ito heading an FF project in the main series.

Smashing together ideas is what FF did from FF1-9. It's not what a fan would do. It's what Sakaguchi and Ito did. Starting at FF10 is when they started straying from that core. Which ironically is when there started being a starker contrast of love and hate between each entry. Familiarity is what keeps the masses appeased yet they yearn for innovation. Innovation is what seperates the masses yet they yearn for familiarity.

What identity did XI have over XIV or other mmos in your opinion? A job system? A unique world? Original monsters? TP? A skillchain system? Summons? Voiced cutscenes? A unique art style? Experience points? Merit points? A hotbar with 128 commands on the fly? A macro system? Materia? Evoliths? Artifact armor? Genkais?

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Tanaka >>> Yoshi anyday, younger hippier employees is not the right answer to their problem, yoshi's solution has been "Well i know what i liked from X title... So lets add it to this title, and GG" That is not what Final Fantasy is about.


You do realize XI/Tanaka's Team did that with Everquest, right?
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I feel Final Fantasy will be much of the same. Although there will always be a title, within the foreseeable future, at some point it will be too far removed to be interesting or recognizable. After more than a dozen titles, ideas may eventually dry up or get unoriginal. Case and point is that players are asking for old titles to be re-released more than new titles to be released.

Final Fantasy is still a cash cow because players who have been invested in the games for decades now have expendable income to spend. We feel a certain sense of nostalgia with each release. At some point, we may get too old or just grow up and sales numbers will decline. I don't know if Final Fantasy carries weight with the younger generation who are growing up on the more FPS themed franchises. As with everything, its time will eventually pass and Final Fantasy will be just a chapter, or 3, in the history book of gaming.


If they would just do the ******* Zahn trilogy it'd be guaranteed to be epic and awesome. Smiley: mad
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#22Ostia, Posted: May 10 2013 at 8:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Story wise ? They borrowed from EQ ?
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Tanaka isn't bad but he definitely dropped the ball on 1.0. Not just game but with many other aspects of producing as well. As far as a project manager Yoshi has been relatively great.
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Tanaka >>> Yoshi anyday, younger hippier employees is not the right answer to their problem, yoshi's solution has been "Well i know what i liked from X title... So lets add it to this title, and GG" That is not what Final Fantasy is about.


You do realize XI/Tanaka's Team did that with Everquest, right?


Story wise ? They borrowed from EQ ?


I rated up your earlier comments, because I actually understand your point in them and in some ways I agree with you. The above however, is nonsense. I get your whole hardon for WoW lore, and how you feel XIV stole from WoW with the whole dragon reconfiguring the world. And once again, WoW did not invent that, nor did any other game. It's been around since Norse mythology, **** probably longer than that. Even stuff like Lord of the Rings had dragons laying waste to sections of the world (hi2u Smaug, who uprooted an entire kingdom because he felt like it). So seriously, enough with the story crap. We get it, Bahamut=Deathwing=every other dragon bent on world domination.

Also, I pulled this from EQ lore

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Wow, a slumbering dragon that wakes up and wreaks havoc. WoW must have stolen it from EQ! Smiley: rolleyes

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What's that? Going to the moon to fight? Didn't they do that in Final Fantasy IV? And wait a minute... feline breed? Mithras!? FFXI must have stolen it from EQ because I'm sure there's never been cat-people in games before either!

My point is... story and lore come from everywhere. Does it surprise you that most of the FF lore comes from other avenues? They didn't invent Leviathan, Carbuncle, Shiva, Cerberus, etc etc. They used lore from various places and combined it into their own game. So seriously, enough of the story BS. All games are borrowing elements from all over the place, so it's pretty ridiculous to try and single out someone as copying others.
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There was an entire series of books revolving around dragons destroying **** a couple decades ago, too. Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman wrote them circa 84 - predating EQ. Soooo... Yea it's a story that's been around for a while but we continue to devour these books and games because guess what?

1. Dragons are awesome. They just are. Good ones and bad ones alike - I hated Deathwing and hate his son even more, but I love Alexstraza and all of the other good dragons.

2. Humans have always had a special relationship with dragon-like creatures. We have these stories about battling them, though they never really existed. Or did they?

3. What else would you have Bahamut do? Make Meat Mithkabobs? I'm sure that he would get those perfect little grill marks on them and all, but hes a FREAKING DRAGON! Let him tear up a countryside or two. Gives us something to do.

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Couldnt agree with ya more on this subject Torrence... there given flaming breath of destruction to do just that destroy ****... why not just sit back and just enjoy the CGI of him doing so instead of ******** about it being in a game before... bet it wasnt the same video was it? and if so how the **** did you get a pre-released vid....
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