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#1 May 13 2013 at 4:15 PM Rating: Default
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So, do you think SE will stir up any buzz about ARR at E3? How about a FFXV announcement?

I am hoping if they do it right, they can create a lot of good press for ARR at E3, which will get a lot of people interested who left long ago and might not even know they are remaking the game!
#2 May 13 2013 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
Even if the people watching / going didn't know it was a revamp, the media will make it blatantly obvious that it is. It's like the American media pointing out a suspect's race every time they're mentioned after a terrorist attack. This will be "the remade / revamped FFXIV: ARR."

I think FFXV would get some serious attention, being a new numbered FF, but my belief is that ARR will be a "Oh, nice to see they're fixng that train wreck, it looks like they finally listened" type of response. You all know I'm a supporter of ARR, but I don't think the masses are going to get majorly hyped up for it. Word of mouth and good reviews after launch are what will keep this thing going.
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#3 May 13 2013 at 4:29 PM Rating: Default
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So, do you think SE will stir up any buzz about ARR at E3? How about a FFXV announcement?

I am hoping if they do it right, they can create a lot of good press for ARR at E3, which will get a lot of people interested who left long ago and might not even know they are remaking the game!


I'm wildly optimistic about this Year's E3, especially as it relates to Square-Enix's announcements.
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I think Final Fantasy XV will be announce or finally a date for Versus. Hopefully ARR will make a good impression at E3 as well :)
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I think Final Fantasy XV will be announce or finally a date for Versus. Hopefully ARR will make a good impression at E3 as well :)



I would say at minimum... and I mean bare bones minimum... SE needs to bring it, and bring it big,

I'm talking:

FFXIV ARR - show us a lot more than you are now

FFXV - Announce it. And they need to show they've abandoned the FF XIII style. Bring us old school charm with new school innovation. I don't mean to offend XIII fans, but I think fairly objectively we can say this was one of the more poorly received FF titles.

FF Versus - Goodness greif, how long can you work on 1 game?

Edited, May 13th 2013 6:37pm by je355804
#6 May 13 2013 at 4:41 PM Rating: Good
I honestly think Versus XIII will become 15. Doesn't make sense for them to be working on 4 console releases all at once under the FF banner (FFXIV, FFXIII-3, FF Versus XIII and FFXV). Too much console saturation for the brand.
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Veagan wrote:
I think Final Fantasy XV will be announce or finally a date for Versus. Hopefully ARR will make a good impression at E3 as well :)



I would say at minimum... and I mean bare bones minimum... SE needs to bring it, and bring it big,

I'm talking:

FFXIV ARR - show us a lot more than you are now

FFXV - Announce it. And they need to show they've abandoned the FF XIII style. Bring us old school charm with new school innovation. I don't mean to offend XIII fans, but I think fairly objectively we can say this was one of the more poorly received FF titles.

FF Versus - Goodness greif, how long can you work on 1 game?

Edited, May 13th 2013 6:37pm by je355804



Well put and as far as "how long can you work on 1 game?"


um.... does anyone remember Duke Nukem Forever? That was being worked on when I was in 11th grade and graduated in 2001. It was release within the last couple of years lol.
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I honestly think Versus XIII will become 15. Doesn't make sense for them to be working on 4 console releases all at once under the FF banner (FFXIV, FFXIII-3, FF Versus XIII and FFXV). Too much console saturation for the brand.


Can you clarify? I thought most Final Fantasy games were console releases.
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I honestly think Versus XIII will become 15. Doesn't make sense for them to be working on 4 console releases all at once under the FF banner (FFXIV, FFXIII-3, FF Versus XIII and FFXV). Too much console saturation for the brand.


Can you clarify? I thought most Final Fantasy games were console releases.


I'm guessing he probably meant too much Saturation in general. Too many coming too quickly all under the FFXIII name. I could be wrong though, at any rate I'm excited about the prospect of some more gameplay and info on Versus XIII but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a drop of info. E3 will likely be heavily focused on XIV 2.0 allowing players to get hands-on action while us at home get a flurry of new screens, vids, surprises, and an official release date?
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#10 May 13 2013 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
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I honestly think Versus XIII will become 15. Doesn't make sense for them to be working on 4 console releases all at once under the FF banner (FFXIV, FFXIII-3, FF Versus XIII and FFXV). Too much console saturation for the brand.


Can you clarify? I thought most Final Fantasy games were console releases.


They have console, handheld, and mobile releases. Having a mix over time is good, but if they keep Versus 13 as that name and also begin making and announce XV at E3, then that should be 4 console releases in 2-4 years. XIV: ARR, XIII-3 this year, Versus XIII next year if they talk about it at all, and XV 2-3 years after the announcement. SE needs to get away from these 5 year+ development cycles, especially when they're cranking out games of recent calibre. They're ok-good, but they aren't classics by any means.
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je355804 wrote:
Veagan wrote:
I think Final Fantasy XV will be announce or finally a date for Versus. Hopefully ARR will make a good impression at E3 as well :)



I would say at minimum... and I mean bare bones minimum... SE needs to bring it, and bring it big,

I'm talking:

FFXIV ARR - show us a lot more than you are now

FFXV - Announce it. And they need to show they've abandoned the FF XIII style. Bring us old school charm with new school innovation. I don't mean to offend XIII fans, but I think fairly objectively we can say this was one of the more poorly received FF titles.

FF Versus - Goodness greif, how long can you work on 1 game?

Edited, May 13th 2013 6:37pm by je355804


Rumor has it Fabula Nova Crystallis may have more games yet.

However, we do know there will probably be a new FF shown at E3 this year.
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#12 May 13 2013 at 7:02 PM Rating: Excellent
I don't expect a FFXV announcement, but I could be wrong.

As for ARR, I'm expecting a very impressive booth where people can play the game. I'm not expecting any "new" information about ARR to be released at E3, but I think a lot of new info will be released just beforehand.
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IKickYoDog wrote:
I honestly think Versus XIII will become 15. Doesn't make sense for them to be working on 4 console releases all at once under the FF banner (FFXIV, FFXIII-3, FF Versus XIII and FFXV). Too much console saturation for the brand.


I'm not 100% sure of this, but I'm fairly certain that on the SE radio show in Japan they announced that FF Versus was still being scheduled, and that it was not becoming 15.
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FFXIV's original reviews still sting to a lot of people who aren't final fantasy enthusiasts like us. Trust me when I say those reviews will keep ARR down in the three public's eye. If so much as one magazine lists ARR as an expansion pack it's all over. SE is going to have to try **** hard to separate ARR from the original release and I have my doubts about them being able to pull that off based on previous E3 presentations.


Actually let me clarify: the public is eager for another TORtanic 2 and ARR is already being compared to The Old Republic. The press and the public can't wait for the next Final Fantasy MMO to roast.

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FFXIV's original reviews still sting to a lot of people who aren't final fantasy enthusiasts like us. Trust me when I say those reviews will keep ARR down in the three public's eye. If so much as one magazine lists ARR as an expansion pack it's all over. SE is going to have to try **** hard to separate ARR from the original release and I have my doubts about them being able to pull that off based on previous E3 presentations.


I don't agree with this at all. From what I've read and seen, most people either don't care about what the original game was like, don't know anything about it, or have realized that ARR is almost a completely new game. SE already has done an excellent job of separating ARR from the original release, by actually communicating with the playerbase, listening to them, and implementing things that they want. They've revamped almost the entire game, and have put out lots of content to satiate those wondering what it will be like. Each of those Live Letters is packed with info, concept art, in-game footage, descriptions, etc.

E3 is not a make or break moment for ARR in my opinion. The make or break time will be month 2 after the game launches. Will they have worked out most of the bugs? Will they be updating with new content fairly often? Will they keep us in the loop as to what's to come? If they can do that, I think it should do quite well.
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Most people I've asked come back with "that game is still going? " or point out the 4.0 score Gamespot gave it. Anecdotal I know but from my perspective that's the general feeling people have. That is going to make SE's job of impressing people a lot harder, especially since this game doesn't really offer anything different to the MMO genre besides the final fantasy name. That's good for me since I've always been a big fan of the series, but I don't think the whole game can be propped up by a niche group of fans forever.

I hope I'm wrong though. I like the game and would love to see it succeed and have many content updates.

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It must just depend on who you're talking to. Most of the gaming sites I visit, people recognize it as a new game and understand that it is much different from what was launched 3 years ago. We're probably both correct in our own views, it's just hard to decipher what any of that means in the grand scheme. I personally think that 1.0 won't have as big an impact on ARR as you think it will, but all I can back that up with is what I've seen myself. You clearly have seen things differently, so it's impossible to really put any weight behind it either way. We can only speculate.
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reptiletim wrote:
FFXIV's original reviews still sting to a lot of people who aren't final fantasy enthusiasts like us. Trust me when I say those reviews will keep ARR down in the three public's eye. If so much as one magazine lists ARR as an expansion pack it's all over. SE is going to have to try **** hard to separate ARR from the original release and I have my doubts about them being able to pull that off based on previous E3 presentations.


I don't agree with this at all. From what I've read and seen, most people either don't care about what the original game was like, don't know anything about it, or have realized that ARR is almost a completely new game. SE already has done an excellent job of separating ARR from the original release, by actually communicating with the playerbase, listening to them, and implementing things that they want. They've revamped almost the entire game, and have put out lots of content to satiate those wondering what it will be like. Each of those Live Letters is packed with info, concept art, in-game footage, descriptions, etc.

E3 is not a make or break moment for ARR in my opinion. The make or break time will be month 2 after the game launches. Will they have worked out most of the bugs? Will they be updating with new content fairly often? Will they keep us in the loop as to what's to come? If they can do that, I think it should do quite well.



I tend to agree with this.

I believe that if SE is able to make a game that is enjoyable and a solid coherent experience, the magazines will give appropriate praise as will the consumers. As always, word of mouth is the best form of press. If the game comes out and it receives positive reviews people will begin to play...

As to the "if even one magazine lists it as an expansion pack" comment, I would say that would more so be an indication of the end of that magazine than the end of ARR, evidenced by the fact that that magazine does absolutely zero due diligence.
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As you can tell I don't trust the gaming press anymore. How many magazines walked in lock step with EA's explanation that homophobes were the reason the Mass Effect 3 ending was terrible and had editors and reviewers alike lashing out at their own fans and readers? I mean call me paranoid but I'm pretty sure even if ARR is spectacular some magazines will rate it just a few points below SW:TOR no matter what.
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I am a bit surprised (for lack of a better word) of the microscopic amount of coverage this re-launch is getting on major sites such as gamespot and IGN. Both of those have relatively little information (most of which has been recently posted but severely outdated) on its re-re-release, which is a shame because I think the game has been transformed enough to warrant some hyping coverage on those sites. I guess GTA V and another Call of Duty is going to be more unique and deserves more of their resources Smiley: glare

Edited, May 14th 2013 2:31pm by electromagnet83
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As you can tell I don't trust the gaming press anymore. How many magazines walked in lock step with EA's explanation that homophobes were the reason the Mass Effect 3 ending was terrible and had editors and reviewers alike lashing out at their own fans and readers? I mean call me paranoid but I'm pretty sure even if ARR is spectacular some magazines will rate it just a few points below SW:TOR no matter what.


Probably, which is why I a lot of gamers don't put stock into 1 specific magazine or website. I know I certainly don't. I read them from time to time to see if there's any new info on games I'd like to play, but I take their reviews and scoring systems with a grain of a salt. One magazine/website might give a game a 9.5/10, and another might give it a 6. It's all opinion based.

I put a lot more stock into consumer reviews than I do anything posted by magazines, because often times they are biased based on who funds them, whereas consumers, while still sometimes biased by genres or companies they like, tend to be more honest and truthful about their experiences and what they like/don't like.
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I am a bit surprised (for lack of a better word) of the microscopic amount of coverage this re-launch is getting on major sites such as gamespot and IGN. Both of those have relatively little information (most of which has been recently posted but severely outdated) on its re-re-release, which is a shame because I think the game has been transformed enough to warrant some hyping coverage on those sites. I guess GTA V and another Call of Duty is going to be more unique and deserves more of their resources Smiley: glare

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The question then becomes is this an indictment on:

A. The magazine companies for not doing their jobs in covering what could be the most spectacular reversal of error in video game history?

B. SE for doing an absurdly **** poor job of stirring up excitement for what they are doing?

C. The fans, for not demanding more coverage from either magazine outlets or SE

D. The fans, because maybe at this point there simply aren't many left... and no one cares. Which in parallel to point B, can ultimately be blamed on SE.
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reptiletim wrote:
As you can tell I don't trust the gaming press anymore. How many magazines walked in lock step with EA's explanation that homophobes were the reason the Mass Effect 3 ending was terrible and had editors and reviewers alike lashing out at their own fans and readers? I mean call me paranoid but I'm pretty sure even if ARR is spectacular some magazines will rate it just a few points below SW:TOR no matter what.


Probably, which is why I a lot of gamers don't put stock into 1 specific magazine or website. I know I certainly don't. I read them from time to time to see if there's any new info on games I'd like to play, but I take their reviews and scoring systems with a grain of a salt. One magazine/website might give a game a 9.5/10, and another might give it a 6. It's all opinion based.

I put a lot more stock into consumer reviews than I do anything posted by magazines, because often times they are biased based on who funds them, whereas consumers, while still sometimes biased by genres or companies they like, tend to be more honest and truthful about their experiences and what they like/don't like.



While I personally only use reviews sparingly, and mostly in instances where I'll pick up or try a game I would have never otherwise even thought to play... I do find metacritic to be solid for going back and finding gems which may have been released a few years back which I never found the first time.

I personally only play RPGs and the occasional sports game like FIFA or Madden (don't get me started on Madden, it's now the equivalent to the hand holding that went on in XIIIs battle system.) Point being, as an RPG fan, given the overall lack of games... we pretty much already know whats out there and whats coming. And I highly doubt a western magazines review, would be enough to change your opinion on an awesome RPG.

I simply think western magazines just don't get RPGs... they think if it's not Skyrim, it's crap.
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As you can tell I don't trust the gaming press anymore. How many magazines walked in lock step with EA's explanation that homophobes were the reason the Mass Effect 3 ending was terrible and had editors and reviewers alike lashing out at their own fans and readers? I mean call me paranoid but I'm pretty sure even if ARR is spectacular some magazines will rate it just a few points below SW:TOR no matter what.


Probably, which is why I a lot of gamers don't put stock into 1 specific magazine or website. I know I certainly don't. I read them from time to time to see if there's any new info on games I'd like to play, but I take their reviews and scoring systems with a grain of a salt. One magazine/website might give a game a 9.5/10, and another might give it a 6. It's all opinion based.

I put a lot more stock into consumer reviews than I do anything posted by magazines, because often times they are biased based on who funds them, whereas consumers, while still sometimes biased by genres or companies they like, tend to be more honest and truthful about their experiences and what they like/don't like.



While I personally only use reviews sparingly, and mostly in instances where I'll pick up or try a game I would have never otherwise even thought to play... I do find metacritic to be solid for going back and finding gems which may have been released a few years back which I never found the first time.


I agree about metacritic. It's nice because it's a compilation of all the professional reviews, as well as the customer reviews. It gives an overall feeling of how the game is received from an industry standpoint as well as a consumer standpoint, which sometimes is amazingly diverse.
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On Metacritic the new Sim City had multiple 100 point reviews from "professional" reviewers before the game was even released yet. Not counting the poor launch due to the servers, whatever copy they reviewed still would have had all the bugs the game launched with as well as the mandatory always online connection and they still rated it the highest score on the scale. They even defended it by saying gamers are to whiney and that we should love the online requirement for a single player game.

I don't take reviews seriously because I'm a bit more internet savvy than many of my friends, but a lot of people still look to sources like IGN to tell them if s game is worth looking into our not. I'm pretty sure vendors do too. They offer credibility to those sites because they have a "professional" look and feel and the ole "they wouldn't be successful if they were wrong! " line of thinking.

I will agree that SE really needs to make a big deal out of ARR. This thing is supposed to be released in a little over a month and the only people that know much about it are people who kept playing until they shut the servers down. They don't need to bring in a crowd that will be coming back anyway, they need to bring in the guys that quit a month after 1.0 release hoping for a good game.
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On Metacritic the new Sim City had multiple 100 point reviews from "professional" reviewers before the game was even released yet. Not counting the poor launch due to the servers, whatever copy they reviewed still would have had all the bugs the game launched with as well as the mandatory always online connection and they still rated it the highest score on the scale. They even defended it by saying gamers are to whiney and that we should love the online requirement for a single player game.

I don't take reviews seriously because I'm a bit more internet savvy than many of my friends, but a lot of people still look to sources like IGN to tell them if s game is worth looking into our not. I'm pretty sure vendors do too. They offer credibility to those sites because they have a "professional" look and feel and the ole "they wouldn't be successful if they were wrong! " line of thinking.

I will agree that SE really needs to make a big deal out of ARR. This thing is supposed to be released in a little over a month and the only people that know much about it are people who kept playing until they shut the servers down. They don't need to bring in a crowd that will be coming back anyway, they need to bring in the guys that quit a month after 1.0 release hoping for a good game.


I feel like with them adding real (and nostalgic) elements of the franchise to ARR they ought to attract some players who have never experienced a Final Fantasy game. My brother for example, has been slowly becoming interested in trying one and if this one goes well, it might be the best "final fantasy" installments in a while, offline or online. My opinion only of course.

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On Metacritic the new Sim City had multiple 100 point reviews from "professional" reviewers before the game was even released yet. Not counting the poor launch due to the servers, whatever copy they reviewed still would have had all the bugs the game launched with as well as the mandatory always online connection and they still rated it the highest score on the scale. They even defended it by saying gamers are to whiney and that we should love the online requirement for a single player game.


And this is the main reason I don't go by gaming site or magazine reviews... they tend to be incredibly biased. It's also the main reason I don't even read reviews until a game has been released. On the whole however, metacritic usually gives a pretty accurate assessment of a game once there are enough reviews to make a decent sample size. I tend not to look at anything on there that doesn't have at least 20-25 professional reviews and 100+ consumer reviews. Too small a group to get any kind of accurate idea of how a game is. And even at larger numbers, it's never an exact Science. Heck, one of my favorite games for PSP is called Brave Story, a game most people have probably never even heard of and didn't get all that great reviews, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.

It's so hard to figure out if you'll like a game from reviews, because every gamer likes different things.
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Game reviews, Magazine reviews, professional reviews, wint's reviews are all biased. Just like every single one of us is, gamers are biased, **** i am biased towards FFVI and Xenogears, so are reviews, does anybody remembers when 1.0 reviews came out ? And the fanbase was ready with pitchforks and crosses to crucify and burn alive all the reviewers ? Yet they where right, but how many threads of conspiracies, and "Blizzard payed X magazine for a negative review of XIV" etc etc ? I remember, yet who was right ? They where...

I think before we bring the pitchforks out and stuff, we have to consider, that reviewers aim for the common demoninator, just like SE they follow the money XD!
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