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#1 May 14 2013 at 10:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/05/14/new-and-beautiful-final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn-illustrations-brought-by-microsoft-partnership/

Basically SE is partnering with MS to push the game it appears, here's the site (Japanese):

http://www.ie10.ffxiv.com/

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The links in the dualshockers article has these images at 1920x1080 as well.

Edited, May 14th 2013 11:44am by Wint
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With Internet Explorer? Push the game off a cliff?
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I was just searching for some official wallpapers and there we go. Wish there were a few more though.

Edited, May 14th 2013 12:47pm by Louiscool
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I was just searching for some official wallpapers and there we go. Wish there were a few more though.

Edited, May 14th 2013 12:47pm by Louiscool


Not official but quite good:

http://firestream.net/2013/?tag=ff
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With Internet Explorer? Push the game off a cliff?


I agree that IE isn't the "coolest" but they still do have quite a bit of marketshare:

http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2&qpcustomd=0

I was hoping one of our folks here could translate the page and give us a gist of what it's saying.
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Every time I see something about IE market shares, it just floors me how many people use a sub-par browser because of sheer ignorance. Now granted, IE is considerably better than it was 5-10 years ago, but still. I also think those numbers become very skewed because I'd say the vast majority still using IE are people age 40+ who probably don't game or even know all that much about computing.
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It's easy to have the bulk of marketshares when it comes pre-installed in almost all consumer and workplace PCs.
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Every time I see something about IE market shares, it just floors me how many people use a sub-par browser because of sheer ignorance. Now granted, IE is considerably better than it was 5-10 years ago, but still. I also think those numbers become very skewed because I'd say the vast majority still using IE are people age 40+ who probably don't game or even know all that much about computing.


I think they're skewed because IE8 is the last IE that Windows XP can use, and a huge number of business are still on Windows XP (where I work is, although we have an upgrade plan for Windows 7 this year). I get to use Firefox and Chrome at work but I'm one of very few, almost everyone else has to use IE.
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Also, some ******* web designers write code specifically for IE and won't let their sites display properly on anything else. It's less prevalent than in the IE6 days, but it still happens. I have converted most of my family to Firefox but they still tend to lapse back to IE.
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Also, some @#%^ web designers write code specifically for IE and won't let their sites display properly on anything else. It's less prevalent than in the IE6 days, but it still happens. I have converted most of my family to Firefox but they still tend to lapse back to IE.


People still do this? Smiley: oyvey

I think I would get laughed out of the office if I tried to design my code for how it looks in IE. Don't get me wrong, I preview in IE because I realize the sad truth of how many people still use it, but I would never design it specifically FOR IE. That's just so archaic and backwards.
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It's easy to have the bulk of marketshares when it comes pre-installed in almost all consumer and workplace PCs.


Also when a lot of business computers are locked into IE like Sisyphus pushing his rock for all eternity.
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Also, some @#%^ web designers write code specifically for IE and won't let their sites display properly on anything else. It's less prevalent than in the IE6 days, but it still happens. I have converted most of my family to Firefox but they still tend to lapse back to IE.


People still do this? Smiley: oyvey

I think I would get laughed out of the office if I tried to design my code for how it looks in IE. Don't get me wrong, I preview in IE because I realize the sad truth of how many people still use it, but I would never design it specifically FOR IE. That's just so archaic and backwards.


Certain suites of web software, like Blackboard, does this (or did, I'm not sure if Blackboard is caught up to modern browsers or not).
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Certain suites of web software, like Blackboard, does this (or did, I'm not sure if Blackboard is caught up to modern browsers or not).


There's quite a bit of business software that only works in IE. And it'll tell you that when you try to use it.
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All the workstations I had to deal with in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kuwait were all IE based and hoooooooooooorrible.
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I guess I should feel lucky then that our company is past all that. I just wish there was 1 unified browser for everything. It's so incredibly frustrating designing an entire web template, only to have it work in Firefox and Chrome but be broken in IE because it's so outdated and configured poorly.
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I guess I should feel lucky then that our company is past all that. I just wish there was 1 unified browser for everything. It's so incredibly frustrating designing an entire web template, only to have it work in Firefox and Chrome but be broken in IE because it's so outdated and configured poorly.


Yeah give me my MFC C++ any day, I don't envy web designers.
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So Microsoft gives them the cold shoulder for Final Fantasy XIV and SE turns around and promotes the game with the logo of Windows 8 and Internet Explorer? Have they seem the decline of market share of IE and the numerous complaints about Windows 8, especially from devs who do not want to deal with the restrictions of the impending Microsoft app store? What's next, a Windows Phone helper app? A tiered licensing structure so you can play a laggy version of ffxiv on the cloud (paying for both the license and the subscription)?

Does this mean they will never offer the game on Steam?

Ugh why partner with Microsoft for anything when there are much better alternatives?
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So Microsoft gives them the cold shoulder for Final Fantasy XIV and SE turns around and promotes the game with the logo of Windows 8 and Internet Explorer? Have they seem the decline of market share of IE and the numerous complaints about Windows 8, especially from devs who do not want to deal with the restrictions of the impending Microsoft app store? What's next, a Windows Phone helper app? A tiered licensing structure so you can play a laggy version of ffxiv on the cloud (paying for both the license and the subscription)?

Does this mean they will never offer the game on Steam?

Ugh why partner with Microsoft for anything when there are much better alternatives?


Pretty sure they won't be on Steam anytime soon, for reasons we have already beaten to death.

Windows 8 is not the nightmare that developers like Notch want you to believe, as long as you don't want your app in the app store. Regular apps run just fine in Windows 8.
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Yea my fears are probably unfounded but it just doesn't seem like the best course of action to me. Microsoft is one of those companies that are notorious for anti consumer tactics and if it were me I wouldn't go that route and risk the damage to the image to a product that has as much on the line as ARR. If it were my decision anyway. It's probably best that I'm not running a multi million dollar company though.
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Yea my fears are probably unfounded but it just doesn't seem like the best course of action to me. Microsoft is one of those companies that are notorious for anti consumer tactics and if it were me I wouldn't go that route and risk the damage to the image to a product that has as much on the line as ARR. If it were my decision anyway. It's probably best that I'm not running a multi million dollar company though.


I expect that if we were privy to everything that Yoshi and the other executives at SE are, we might have a bit more insight into why they do what they do.
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Wint wrote:
http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/05/14/new-and-beautiful-final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn-illustrations-brought-by-microsoft-partnership/

Basically SE is partnering with MS to push the game it appears, here's the site (Japanese):

http://www.ie10.ffxiv.com/

New artwork:

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The links in the dualshockers article has these images at 1920x1080 as well.

Edited, May 14th 2013 11:44am by Wint



Awesome art... I would be especially excited if they carried this form of artistic design into their next numbered series!

If I want cars and tall buildings I'll hop in my own and drive to NYC. I miss the steampunk/ victorian/ medieval designs of some of the earlier games.
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I think my favorite art was IX, loved the feel of that game.
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I think my favorite art was IX, loved the feel of that game.



Couldn't agree with you more.

When I said "Victorian" I was specifically referring to IX... There's something special about the decorum of the upper class during that particular time period. I felt like IX was able to capture the essence, while applying it's own unique flavor simultaneously. You were also strongly able to sense the haves from the have nots, which really brought the game alive.

Overall, I would say the lively atmosphere... and a story which didn't take itself too seriously are what was so brilliant about IX. I would love to see something like that again in the future, given the new graphics power systems provide... it could be something special.
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I think my favorite art was IX, loved the feel of that game.



Couldn't agree with you more.

When I said "Victorian" I was specifically referring to IX... There's something special about the decorum of the upper class during that particular time period. I felt like IX was able to capture the essence, while applying it's own unique flavor simultaneously. You were also strongly able to sense the haves from the have nots, which really brought the game alive.

Overall, I would say the lively atmosphere... and a story which didn't take itself too seriously are what was so brilliant about IX. I would love to see something like that again in the future, given the new graphics power systems provide... it could be something special.


IX was good indeed although I got stuck trying to beat the jump rope sequence early on....

Nobody I've met yet will agree but I personally thought that VIII was the best. It was the first one I ever played, I was young, and rented it from Blockbuster, and it changed my perception of what a game should be. The stories, the music, the card game, the (for it's time) amazing technology in the game. I loved it.
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I loved all the FF's for one reason or another, VIII included. I should play that on my Vita again...
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I loved all the FF's for one reason or another, VIII included. I should play that on my Vita again...


I tried to go back recently and start up my much beloved FF XII but my stupid Ps3 said it's not compatible. /hulk smash
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VIII was better for me when I got a little older, around 20 I believe. When I was 16 or whatever I was and first played it, I was disappointed. When I went back and replayed it, I loved it. Just goes to show how maturity level (or lack of any good RPGs in a while lol) can entirely change one's perspective.

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i believe 7 was my first as a child... but i also feel that i enjoyed 8 much more than others, it had a very good feel to it for me at least... i've played them all up to 13-2 including tactics, crystal chronicles and so on... but i can assure you i will never forget the day i picked up XI... all of SE's games have changed my gaming experiences in life and the stories have all been just down right amazingly wrote...

just a side question to all... does anyone else have a unopened FF3 sitting at home? ive been holding onto it for years now just watching the price fluxuate every now and then... just wondering if there is anyone else holding it and might have a suggested sell price in head your waiting on?
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Wint wrote:
I loved all the FF's for one reason or another, VIII included. I should play that on my Vita again...

I <3 8 soooooo much.. Idk why so many people dont like it. I love the story.. btw 9 is very good.. But Grand Cross is a mother! I couldnt beat the game for years because of that boss.. not till I got older and better understood how to play the game lmao
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I loved all the FF's for one reason or another, VIII included. I should play that on my Vita again...


I tried to go back recently and start up my much beloved FF XII but my stupid Ps3 said it's not compatible. /hulk smash


Psst emulators...cough
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I loved all the FF's for one reason or another, VIII included. I should play that on my Vita again...


I tried to go back recently and start up my much beloved FF XII but my stupid Ps3 said it's not compatible. /hulk smash


Psst emulators...cough


Where can one find reliable emulators for ps2, ps3.. etc. The site I use (wont post addy here but if you want send me a PM and will send you the link) they have over 1k + games but steming back from the old systems (atari, nintendo, arcades, etc.... nothing newish or current). I was playing FFVI the other day just because I was bored and looking for something to do. Favorite game I play from them is Gauntlet.
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I loved all the FF's for one reason or another, VIII included. I should play that on my Vita again...


I tried to go back recently and start up my much beloved FF XII but my stupid Ps3 said it's not compatible. /hulk smash


Psst emulators...cough


I shouldn't have to emulate on a game and a system I purchased legally! Sony needs to step it up is what needs to happen!
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I loved all the FF's for one reason or another, VIII included. I should play that on my Vita again...


I tried to go back recently and start up my much beloved FF XII but my stupid Ps3 said it's not compatible. /hulk smash


Psst emulators...cough


I shouldn't have to emulate on a game and a system I purchased legally! Sony needs to step it up is what needs to happen!


Backwards compatibility is going the way of the dodo (I should know, my 60gb launch model just died recently), and if you bought the PS3 later than that then you knew it wouldn't work when you bought it.
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I loved all the FF's for one reason or another, VIII included. I should play that on my Vita again...


I tried to go back recently and start up my much beloved FF XII but my stupid Ps3 said it's not compatible. /hulk smash


Psst emulators...cough


I shouldn't have to emulate on a game and a system I purchased legally! Sony needs to step it up is what needs to happen!


Backwards compatibility is going the way of the dodo (I should know, my 60gb launch model just died recently), and if you bought the PS3 later than that then you knew it wouldn't work when you bought it.


Ah, I didn't buy it Smiley: wink
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I wish I could point you in the right direction, I only emulate games I own, but the PS2 emulator scene is very good, I think XII looks better on my computer than the console.
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That game was so fun! The community hated the removal of the battle transition screen....losers (jk). Seriously I want to play it again. I'll have to get out my metal detector and hunt for one of those fancy emulators.

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If you PM'd me, officially of course I wouldn't be able to help you....but...
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.hack//G.U. sure looked a **** of a lot better on my PC with the game resolution oversampled and anti-aliased. Made it look like it was actually HD and being projected on a screen about 4 times bigger than it ever wanted to be on.

I did run into an odd sound issue with it that I wasn't quite able to solve, but I also didn't try very hard as my PS2 works quite well.
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That game was so fun! The community hated the removal of the battle transition screen....losers (jk). Seriously I want to play it again. I'll have to get out my metal detector and hunt for one of those fancy emulators.

Edit: And what a terrible award for that amazing chain lol

Edited, May 14th 2013 9:04pm by electromagnet83


I don't think they hated the removal of the battle transition as much as the general gameplay departure. ChronoTrigger is a legend of an RPG and most people loved its lack of a battle transition.

SE hasn't made a new FF title that follows the JRPG combat conventions since X/X2, and somehow they wonder why people feel that they've failed to recapture the nostalgia in recent years.
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Ha it's funny you guys are bringing up the old games! I just started playing FFV on my ps3 again today!
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I wish I could point you in the right direction, I only emulate games I own, but the PS2 emulator scene is very good, I think XII looks better on my computer than the console.



I second this... my PS2 broke 2 times... I still hadn't finished XII. So I got into the PS2 emulator, and let me just say that it's awesome!!!

I will admit, it took a LOT of tinkering with, but eventually I got it running like a gem.
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I don't really see the point of refusing to emulate games you don't own if they're no longer in circulation in the primary market. It's not like the creators see any money from the secondary market anyway. Not that I emulate games anyway, but just as an observer the principle doesn't seem to reflect the spirit of anti-piracy.
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theyre partnering with MS but not putting it on MS's console? yeah that makes sense why would MS agree to that? lol


"Help me sale/market my game, but I wont put it on your console". "Sure, gladly" umm ok
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I don't really see the point of refusing to emulate games you don't own if they're no longer in circulation in the primary market. It's not like the creators see any money from the secondary market anyway. Not that I emulate games anyway, but just as an observer the principle doesn't seem to reflect the spirit of anti-piracy.


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I don't really see the point of refusing to emulate games you don't own if they're no longer in circulation in the primary market. It's not like the creators see any money from the secondary market anyway. Not that I emulate games anyway, but just as an observer the principle doesn't seem to reflect the spirit of anti-piracy.


I estimate everyone does it, but the white knight ivory tower types on forums prevent anyone from admitting it.


Or those of us who could get in trouble for encouraging it Smiley: blush Technically it still is stealing, not that I would feel horrible if people wanted to play those games, some you can't get your hands on except for the ROMs that are floating around out there.
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Back to the Microsoft discussion, it looks like they're pushing Windows 8 as well, which definitely needs help. I bought 2 copies when it first launched at the $40 price, and I just now upgraded my gaming machine to it. Most of the griping I hear about is the lack of a start button and not being able to bypass the tiles screen (which I happen to like). If you take 5 minutes to learn the hot keys it's a pretty nice upgrade to Windows 7 actually.

I took this video because some of my friends were mocking my move. This is my wife's 4 year old Asus laptop, with a new $70 SSD and Windows 8 from a cold boot, it hadn't been started in a few days.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By4U3kRPeXSfSl9BTXNJZTFoem8/edit?usp=sharing


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Back to the Microsoft discussion, it looks like they're pushing Windows 8 as well, which definitely needs help. I bought 2 copies when it first launched at the $40 price, and I just now upgraded my gaming machine to it. Most of the griping I hear about is the lack of a start button and not being able to bypass the tiles screen (which I happen to like). If you take 5 minutes to learn the hot keys it's a pretty nice upgrade to Windows 7 actually.

I took this video because some of my friends were mocking my move. This is my wife's 4 year old Asus laptop, with a new $70 SSD and Windows 8 from a cold boot, it hadn't been started in a few days.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By4U3kRPeXSfSl9BTXNJZTFoem8/edit?usp=sharing


Edited, May 15th 2013 5:13am by Wint


Those gripes have no weight and are just folks who dont adapt to change well. That being said, Win 8 DOES gave several inherent issues that currently have no known fix for. These are but a few of them I have personally experienced...

A.) Many such as mine suffer from "insomnia." Once upgraded my PC will NOT sleep on its own anymore. I can put it to sleep manually, but it wakes up two minutes later. This sucks when with windows 7 I could have it wake up automatically, record a TV show (cablecard), and sleep again 10 minutes after the recording is done. No longer. Still havent found a fix.

B.) By default Win 8's internet capability is limited to reserve bandwidth for updates. Once installed I was doing network transfers from the PC to a gigabit network attached storage at a whopping 1-5 Mb/s. After reading how to fix this I can now make those transfers at 20-25 Mb/s. Again, issue with OS, nothing else.

C.) Win 8 wifi omg. If you have multiple networks in range that you connect to (I have mine and two at the pool) it jumps between them all, even id the connection to current is operating fine. I have to disable "connect automatically" otherwise it cycles through them over and over.

D.) I run an HD Homerun prime in media center. Since installing Win8 I get a "would you like to set up a CableCard now?" message even though it IS set up, and working fine. I get this message every time I launch MCE....every time. Still no known fix according to Microsoft.


In summation, Win 8 needs some serious patches.
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I operate on a rule of not touching New Windows until the first service pack. I'm not a fan of paying full retail to beta test an operating system.

I don't have any machines with Win8 installed at the moment, but I do fix computers for a living and more than a few have walked in the door. Let me say that Win8 is SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult to fix when it breaks than WinAnythingElse is. So when I complain about Windows 8 it's because of that, not because I don't adapt well to change.
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Wint said most of the griping he hears is about lack of start button and tiles. "Those" people are not adapting to change. Obviously yourself, myself, and many others experience real issues with WIn8. Before I get pummeled let me clarify: If your only complaint is about the interface then you, specifically, dont really have anything to complain about other than "its different." For everyone else who has experienced the myriad of bugs, you are legit critics.

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