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#1 May 15 2013 at 1:42 AM Rating: Good
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Seems to be all the jobs together with one unaccounted for. Could it be Scholar or is it more likely to be Arcanist? What are your thoughts?

Edited, May 15th 2013 3:43am by Adzieboy

EDIT: Here's a version of the image with the jobs labelled, courtesy of Wint.

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That's arcanist/summoner.
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Wint wrote:
That's arcanist/summoner.

Still strange that arcanist is part of the "classical job circle" in the front, don't you think?
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That's arcanist/summoner.

Still strange that arcanist is part of the "classical job circle" in the front, don't you think?


Not really, Archer and Gladiator are as well.

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Summoner is on the left for sure but these are the jobs and not the classes by the look of things. It could just be Arcanist and they could be in the middle to promote them both. It's just odd that it's almost exactly the same as Scholar's AF armour and the Scholar gear in other titles.
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Wint wrote:
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That's arcanist/summoner.

Still strange that arcanist is part of the "classical job circle" in the front, don't you think?


Not really, Archer and Gladiator are as well.

Edited, May 15th 2013 5:14am by Wint

What I was aiming at is, that in the front, only JOBS, not CLASSES, are displayed...
And that's bard (10 o'clock) and paladin (6), not archer and gladiator.

Edited, May 15th 2013 6:41am by Rinsui
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Rinsui wrote:
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That's arcanist/summoner.

Still strange that arcanist is part of the "classical job circle" in the front, don't you think?


Not really, Archer and Gladiator are as well.

Edited, May 15th 2013 5:14am by Wint

What I was aiming at is, that in the front, only JOBS, not CLASSES, are displayed...
And that's bard (10 o'clock) and paladin (6), not archer and gladiator.

Edited, May 15th 2013 6:41am by Rinsui


What's at 9 and 12 then?

Edit ah I see, 12 is Warrior, 9 is Summoner, I always forget about WAR being a Job. So that brings us back to what in the **** is at 3?

The Arcanist page on the official site doesn't have that hat, maybe it really is SCH.


Edited, May 15th 2013 5:51am by Wint

Edited, May 15th 2013 5:52am by Wint
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What's at 9 and 12 then?

Edit ah I see, 12 is Warrior, 9 is Summoner, I always forget about WAR being a Job. So that brings us back to what in the **** is at 3?

The Arcanist page on the official site doesn't have that hat, maybe it really is SCH.

BINGO! ;)
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"Scholar Unlocked" text was apparently datamined back in February as well.
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What's at 9 and 12 then?

Edit ah I see, 12 is Warrior, 9 is Summoner, I always forget about WAR being a Job. So that brings us back to what in the **** is at 3?

The Arcanist page on the official site doesn't have that hat, maybe it really is SCH.

BINGO! ;)


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"Scholar Unlocked" text was apparently datamined back in February as well.

And SE will totally surprise us in a few weeks with the announcement that,
unlike their FF XI counterparts,
scholars in FF XIV will use gun-books
and evolve into musketeers.
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Though.. it is weird to place the class and job in the foreground, as it seems that only jobs are in the fore, while classes are in the back.

But there's no way they would make 2 book-wielding classes.

Also, that's definitely a mother f-ing blue mage in the back at 1-2 oclock.

Edited, May 15th 2013 8:33am by Louiscool
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They could make it so one uses tomes and the other uses grimoires as a distinction between the two books, similar to radicals and staffs for WHM and BLM.
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so does that mean at 6 o clock in the background middle of circle kinda green overcoat is a thf or rogue? i think we all are jumping to conclusions to fast... however i do see the SCH and those in front are all for sure jobs from XIV... makes ya think for sure!! >.< im ready for E3 and release this is getting a bit ridiculous of a wait...
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I want to ask for a huge favor here. Can someone take that picture and type the names of the jobs/classes over them? Might help some other people as well.
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I want to ask for a huge favor here. Can someone take that picture and type the names of the jobs/classes over them? Might help some other people as well.


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Wint wrote:
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I want to ask for a huge favor here. Can someone take that picture and type the names of the jobs/classes over them? Might help some other people as well.


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Aaaah and after I just spent MINUTES beautifying this baby.

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Thanks guys. But what about the ones in the background?
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Thanks guys. But what about the ones in the background?


They are nondescript, honestly. I was trying to puzzle them out but it looks like MAYBE a blue mage, and some jestery-looking female. Other than that, they aren't very obvious and could be hinting at anything.

I do like that they are still going with the "Wheel" formation they were so proud of prior to 1.0's release.
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I do like that they are still going with the "Wheel" formation they were so proud of prior to 1.0's release.

Well, if the elemental wheel is any indication, they are pretty much done with it...


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Looks like Scholar is on the horizon! I'm totally pumped.
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im guessing with the summoner and (possible scholar) now we might see the next job as a BLU or RDM so that it has mage and melee types alike... considering were kinda short on the mage side and people want to see more melee... IF this scholar thing is real that is... if not were probably looking at the next job being a mage as well i would assume...
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Site is releasing wallpapers for each Job, maybe we'll see SCH there.

http://www.ie10.ffxiv.com/download/
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Apparently my computer and the site are having a disagreement, but are they all essentially just the job and a white background? That makes it easier to vector and make your own, flashier, wallpapers and I'd be all for that.
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They overlap one another, and all of the jobs are in front, with a lighter opacity secondary layer containing a bunch of hard-to-recognize classes/jobs in the background. It would be very difficult to silhouette them without some significant photoshop work unfortunately. However, if anyone is really interested, I could give it a shot to silhou out your favorite job/class... slow day at work today.
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same here my comp is having issues opening the site...
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They overlap one another, and all of the jobs are in front, with a lighter opacity secondary layer containing a bunch of hard-to-recognize classes/jobs in the background. It would be very difficult to silhouette them without some significant photoshop work unfortunately. However, if anyone is really interested, I could give it a shot to silhou out your favorite job/class... slow day at work today.


I think he's talking about the link I posted...
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Ah... thought he meant having issues with images on this site.
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Site is releasing wallpapers for each Job, maybe we'll see SCH there.

http://www.ie10.ffxiv.com/download/


Speaking of this, these great images were created by fredjully on Deviant Art

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Louiscool wrote:
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I want to ask for a huge favor here. Can someone take that picture and type the names of the jobs/classes over them? Might help some other people as well.


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Aaaah and after I just spent MINUTES beautifying this baby.



Maybe the Arcanist is Summoner? I mean why else would Carbuncle be with the ARC? Maybe the SMN is something else? I know it's wearing what looks like a SMNs horn, but that Carbuncle seems out of place. It wouldn't be a complete surprise to me if this time around we summoned from a book. =)

Edited, May 15th 2013 11:36am by Demonadrastos
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Demonadrastos wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Wint wrote:
Geffe wrote:
I want to ask for a huge favor here. Can someone take that picture and type the names of the jobs/classes over them? Might help some other people as well.


Screenshot


Aaaah and after I just spent MINUTES beautifying this baby.



Maybe the Arcanist is Summoner? I mean why else would Carbuncle be with the ARC? Maybe the SMN is something else? I know it's wearing what looks like a SMNs horn, but that Carbuncle seems out of place. It wouldn't be a complete surprise to me if this time around we summoned from a book. =)

Edited, May 15th 2013 11:36am by Demonadrastos


The ARC pic he posted is from the official site. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/game/armoury/magic/arcanist
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Yes, Arcanist is the class, Summoner is the job.

So, to me, it looks like the possible picture of Scholar is actually Arcanist. I know it goes against the conventions of the photo though, as it would be the only class there.

But, from an image design perspective, they are in the same position in the circle, mirrored, and in similar body positions. And they are the only 2 new classes known so...

The only other possibility is that Arcanist will wield a different weapon. Notice that the summoner is the only one empty hands (aside form monk but the hands are their weapon lol).
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Geffe wrote:
Demonadrastos wrote:
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Wint wrote:
Geffe wrote:
I want to ask for a huge favor here. Can someone take that picture and type the names of the jobs/classes over them? Might help some other people as well.


Screenshot


Aaaah and after I just spent MINUTES beautifying this baby.



Maybe the Arcanist is Summoner? I mean why else would Carbuncle be with the ARC? Maybe the SMN is something else? I know it's wearing what looks like a SMNs horn, but that Carbuncle seems out of place. It wouldn't be a complete surprise to me if this time around we summoned from a book. =)

Edited, May 15th 2013 11:36am by Demonadrastos


The ARC pic he posted is from the official site. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/game/armoury/magic/arcanist


Then 3 O'clock can't be Arcanist. Going off this, ARC(unconfirmed) is the prerequisite(30) to SMN, and if the foreground is Jobs and not classes, then what makes SCH? Can see SMN relies on books as well. Maybe ARC is a Sub-prerequisite(15) to SCH?

Edited, May 15th 2013 12:02pm by Demonadrastos
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Just a quick Q what is/was a SCH- abilities? and when did it appear in the FF games?
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Originally Final Fantasy 3 (NES), and it's primary ability was to Scan enemies. It was made a little better in the DS remake, where it got an innate Enhance Item Potency ability, but for what it's worth the job has been on the weaker end of the spectrum before XI.
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Originally Final Fantasy 3 (NES), and it's primary ability was to Scan enemies. It was made a little better in the DS remake, where it got an innate Enhance Item Potency ability, but for what it's worth the job has been on the weaker end of the spectrum before XI.


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Maybe it's so that ACN doesn't just go to SMN, maybe SMN will be ARC + THM and SCH will be ACN + CON or vice versa?

Edited, May 15th 2013 1:35pm by Adzieboy
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Considering they will release new jobs down the line that may have overlap with existing classes for prerequisites, it's not so left field to believe ARC can branch into both SMN and SCH. In XI SCH never sat well with me. I only got it to around 60 or so. I couldn't distinguish myself between BLM, WHM or RDM at all. I remember doing manaburns in the WotG zones and feeling terribly out of place. So if the pic is in fact SCH, I'll be on the fence about it until we hear more.
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Considering they will release new jobs down the line that may have overlap with existing classes for prerequisites, it's not so left field to believe ARC can branch into both SMN and SCH. In XI SCH never sat well with me. I only got it to around 60 or so. I couldn't distinguish myself between BLM, WHM or RDM at all. I remember doing manaburns in the WotG zones and feeling terribly out of place. So if the pic is in fact SCH, I'll be on the fence about it until we hear more.


It's also possible that some of the jobs we're hoping for could come from a mix of jobs or even jobs and classes.

For instance:

RDM = WHM + BLM + Gladiator lvl 30

BLU = WHM + BLM + Arcanist lvl 30

NIN = DRG + BLM + Archer lvl 30

GEO = BLM + Arcanist lvl 30 + Botanist lvl 40

The way they have it set up, there's a pretty staggering amount of options you could have. If someone has a calculator that does permutaions on it, maybe they could figure it out for us :)



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Yeah, if (when) they increase the level cap, we could have "advanced" jobs incoming that build on the existing jobs. There were level 99 mobs around in 1.0, and the original cap in XI was 50 a long time ago.
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Yeah, if (when) they increase the level cap, we could have "advanced" jobs incoming that build on the existing jobs. There were level 99 mobs around in 1.0, and the original cap in XI was 50 a long time ago.


This was exactly my thinking as well. I meant to add the word advanced to my post, and got distracted lol
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I'm not going to lie, this.... excites me Smiley: tongue

Seeing that leveling is not as cumbersome as pre-abyssea FFXI, I would love a Tactics-esque job system.
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Aaaah and after I just spent MINUTES beautifying this baby.



Maybe the Arcanist is Summoner? I mean why else would Carbuncle be with the ARC? Maybe the SMN is something else? I know it's wearing what looks like a SMNs horn, but that Carbuncle seems out of place. It wouldn't be a complete surprise to me if this time around we summoned from a book. =)

Edited, May 15th 2013 11:36am by Demonadrastos


The ARC pic he posted is from the official site. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/game/armoury/magic/arcanist


Then 3 O'clock can't be Arcanist. Going off this, ARC(unconfirmed) is the prerequisite(30) to SMN, and if the foreground is Jobs and not classes, then what makes SCH? Can see SMN relies on books as well. Maybe ARC is a Sub-prerequisite(15) to SCH?

Edited, May 15th 2013 12:02pm by Demonadrastos



Hmm.. Doesnt WHM and BLM use the same type of weapon? If so, couldnt CNJ and SMN both use books? Just a thought..
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I'm not going to lie, this.... excites me Smiley: tongue

Seeing that leveling is not as cumbersome as pre-abyssea FFXI, I would love a Tactics-esque job system.


It seems like such a no-brainer to point it that way huh?

I mean they already kind of do it that way. I don't see why they couldn't just expand out from where it already is.

As for the weapon issue you could make slight changes to the weapons so that they're still specific. SCH could have a tome of knowledge while summoner uses a history of the primals. A simple palate swap and maybe an extra animation loop and bam there ya go.

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People in "other forums" seem to think this is unanimously Scholar. They point to the fact that the quality of the gear is "clearly" af level, it's in the jobs ring, and it has the same shoes, thigh highs, hat and skirt as classic scholar.

I don't know.. it could be. That book could be the Scholar relic, someone else found a face on it.

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I think the evidence is pretty strong for it really.
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I'm assuming it's Scholar but I won't hold my breath until it's officially revealed.
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I guess my question is this: Out of all the jobs in FF history, with their varying levels of utility and popularity, why would SE choose to "surprise" us with SCH??
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Aaaah and after I just spent MINUTES beautifying this baby.



Maybe the Arcanist is Summoner? I mean why else would Carbuncle be with the ARC? Maybe the SMN is something else? I know it's wearing what looks like a SMNs horn, but that Carbuncle seems out of place. It wouldn't be a complete surprise to me if this time around we summoned from a book. =)

Edited, May 15th 2013 11:36am by Demonadrastos


The ARC pic he posted is from the official site. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/game/armoury/magic/arcanist


Then 3 O'clock can't be Arcanist. Going off this, ARC(unconfirmed) is the prerequisite(30) to SMN, and if the foreground is Jobs and not classes, then what makes SCH? Can see SMN relies on books as well. Maybe ARC is a Sub-prerequisite(15) to SCH?

Edited, May 15th 2013 12:02pm by Demonadrastos



Hmm.. Doesnt WHM and BLM use the same type of weapon? If so, couldnt CNJ and SMN both use books? Just a thought..


I thought BLM used a staff, while WHM used a wand. I may be wrong. Regardless, the books would need different names, like some have pointed out up-thread. Book of <insert term here>, Tome of <insert term here>, etc. If the class/job system is going to be "Equip weapon for class," then having 2 jobs use a "Book" won't work. Also, we don't want a whole bunch of book jobs. 1 is novel, 2 are ok, 3 is pushing it. In my opinion, anyway.
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#51 May 16 2013 at 7:29 AM Rating: Good
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I guess my question is this: Out of all the jobs in FF history, with their varying levels of utility and popularity, why would SE choose to "surprise" us with SCH??

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because...
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because it's far more popular and important than Thief or Ninja?
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not convinced?
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