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#1 May 15 2013 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
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This is off topic, but related to gaming.

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/curiosity/topics/myths-about-intelligence.htm

I'll post the article for those who don't want to go to the link, for those that do... it's slide 3/12.

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And speaking of crossword puzzles, you see them everywhere -- in waiting rooms, in the checkout line at the grocery store, in the daily paper. You know the hype: Crossword puzzles, Sudoku and word games are the key to keeping old minds sharp.

For years, people have believed that doing crossword puzzles was a way to challenge and improve their intelligence, as well as a way to help maintain it. The truth is avid puzzlers aren't becoming more intelligent, they're actually training their brains. In other words, the players are becoming more skilled at solving the crosswords, but not necessarily becoming smarter. Additionally, problem-solving ability doesn't translate from one skill to another, so solving Sudoku puzzles probably won't help you remember names. Unless you enjoy the challenge of brain training games, don't feel bad if you can't think of an 11-letter word for smart. There are plenty of other ways to exercise your brain [source: ScienceDaily].

And while we're on the topic of games, video and computer games have often been described as "mindless" activities. While it may be better to actually get out and play a game of basketball than to sit and play a video game, recent studies have shown that gaming can actually improve everyday skills, including navigating, driving, and improving decision and reaction times [source: ScienceDaily]. Furthermore, adept gamers also seem to make good laparoscopic surgeons, assuming they also have the intelligence to go along with their hand-eye coordination [source: ScienceDaily].


I'm just finishing up med school and I'll be going into Surgery or Ob/Gyn surgery soon... This is the first piece of validation my gaming habit has ever given me, especially considering the hours I neglected studying to play video games instead. Little did those silly professors know that I was just harnessing my skills as a master surgeon all along! TAKE THAT!
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I recall watching a presentation by a psychology professor on the same topic. She had the audience perform a few tasks, such as keeping track of differently-colored objects in a moving group. Apparently the gamers were able to do it no problem whereas the rest of the audience had a problem. I thought the whole presentation was just a Captain Obvious ploy when she concluded by saying it's detrimental to play for more than several hours a day.
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Atkascha wrote:
I recall watching a presentation by a psychology professor on the same topic. She had the audience perform a few tasks, such as keeping track of differently-colored objects in a moving group. Apparently the gamers were able to do it no problem whereas the rest of the audience had a problem. I thought the whole presentation was just a Captain Obvious ploy when she concluded by saying it's detrimental to play for more than several hours a day.


I'm now doing further research... it seems a few of the Ivy League institutions require their surgeons in training to play with Nintendo Wii for 15 minutes a day, as part of their work hours... they have empirically demonstrated that such activity has increased the precision of surgery vs. the control group and decreased mortality/morbidity. Pretty amazing stuff.
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Relevant.

This was the defining work on the subject when it came out. I just picked up a used copy at local bookseller ;)

A very good read.
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LebargeX wrote:
Relevant.

This was the defining work on the subject when it came out. I just picked up a used copy at local bookseller ;)

A very good read.


Woah woah, I said I'll waste my time playing video games... but books? Are you out of your mind?

Haha, it does look interesting though!

Watch the movie Idiocracy if you'd like to see the opposite view of modern societies affect on intelligence.
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je355804 wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
Relevant.

This was the defining work on the subject when it came out. I just picked up a used copy at local bookseller ;)

A very good read.


Woah woah, I said I'll waste my time playing video games... but books? Are you out of your mind?

Haha, it does look interesting though!

Watch the movie Idiocracy if you'd like to see the opposite view of modern societies affect on intelligence.


Is that the one with the giant Costco and that cross-eyed guy from Friday is POTUS?
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LebargeX wrote:
je355804 wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
Relevant.

This was the defining work on the subject when it came out. I just picked up a used copy at local bookseller ;)

A very good read.


Woah woah, I said I'll waste my time playing video games... but books? Are you out of your mind?

Haha, it does look interesting though!

Watch the movie Idiocracy if you'd like to see the opposite view of modern societies affect on intelligence.


Is that the one with the giant Costco and that cross-eyed guy from Friday is POTUS?


LMAO exactly.
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je355804 wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
je355804 wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
Relevant.

This was the defining work on the subject when it came out. I just picked up a used copy at local bookseller ;)

A very good read.


Woah woah, I said I'll waste my time playing video games... but books? Are you out of your mind?

Haha, it does look interesting though!

Watch the movie Idiocracy if you'd like to see the opposite view of modern societies affect on intelligence.


Is that the one with the giant Costco and that cross-eyed guy from Friday is POTUS?


LMAO exactly.


Yeah I really like that one lol
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When I was in high school, my hobby was Dell logic problems. Didn't help me too much until it came time to take the GRE the first time, when I scored 790/800 on the analytical portion. (I missed one! Smiley: mad) I also discovered that employment agencies like to give those kind of mini puzzles, and I do too well on them.

Them: Based on your personality assessment and your... unusually high score in logic, you're not really a good fit for the candidate profile we're trying to match.

Me: You mean I'm too introverted and too smart for management?

Them: You could put it that way, yes.

So, that's why I got a master's degree in IT instead.
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Catwho wrote:
When I was in high school, my hobby was Dell logic problems. Didn't help me too much until it came time to take the GRE the first time, when I scored 790/800 on the analytical portion. (I missed one! Smiley: mad) I also discovered that employment agencies like to give those kind of mini puzzles, and I do too well on them.

Them: Based on your personality assessment and your... unusually high score in logic, you're not really a good fit for the candidate profile we're trying to match.

Me: You mean I'm too introverted and too smart for management?

Them: You could put it that way, yes.

So, that's why I got a master's degree in IT instead.


The key to success is knowing what you're good at and finding something that maximizes those relative strengths and minimizes the costs of your weaknesses. Sounds like you have found just that!

790/800... I'm jealous! Never took the GRE but that sure sounds fancy!
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Catwho wrote:
When I was in high school, my hobby was Dell logic problems. Didn't help me too much until it came time to take the GRE the first time, when I scored 790/800 on the analytical portion. (I missed one! Smiley: mad)


Man, and I thought I did well with a 760/800 on that portion of the GRE. Way to go Spock.

I made up for the high logic score with an abyssmal mechanical score... I think I was in the 25th percentile for that part of the test... the women's 25th percentile.
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I don't think mine had a mechanical score.

They changed the analytical portion to be a writing test a few years back, so I had to retake the darn thing. Only got 5/6 which meant I had to pay for the test myself - I'd bet with my husband that if I got perfect in any section of the test, he'd have to pay the $150 it cost me to take it. I figured writing was my best bet. Smiley: bah
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#13 May 16 2013 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I just realized I was thinking of the ASVAB for the mechanical section... the one that fits you into what type of job you expect to be good at. One of the most ridiculous tests I've ever taken.
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Oh, that. My father taught that on base to the kids whose scores were borderline and they needed to retake it. When I was seven or so, I remember him having me "take" it as a joke. I passed. Smiley: lol I'm sure those 18 year old recruits just loved having a seven year old girl show them how to do the fractions in the math bit as well.
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Uh, let's not bring up the ASVAB. I have to go through it at least twice a week with potential recruits and it is so annoying.
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#16 May 16 2013 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
LebargeX wrote:
je355804 wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
je355804 wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
Relevant.

This was the defining work on the subject when it came out. I just picked up a used copy at local bookseller ;)

A very good read.


Woah woah, I said I'll waste my time playing video games... but books? Are you out of your mind?

Haha, it does look interesting though!

Watch the movie Idiocracy if you'd like to see the opposite view of modern societies affect on intelligence.


Is that the one with the giant Costco and that cross-eyed guy from Friday is POTUS?


LMAO exactly.


Yeah I really like that one lol


That movie is as scary as it is hilarious. After I saw it I met my friend's cousin who is a bloody idiot...and he has 6 kids, and the apple didn't fall off the tree with them Smiley: oyvey
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Uh, let's not bring up the ASVAB. I have to go through it at least twice a week with potential recruits and it is so annoying.


I can't remember what the scoring scale was like on the ASVAB but I know I made almost a 100% which was better than like 98% of the people trying to get into the military...yet they still didn't let me in because of scoliosis. **** Uncle Sam.


Edited, May 16th 2013 1:49pm by electromagnet83
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Yeah, I just realized I was thinking of the ASVAB for the mechanical section... the one that fits you into what type of job you expect to be good at. One of the most ridiculous tests I've ever taken.


Sounds like something they do in developing countries lol... Well Timmy, I know you are only 7... but you suck at math, so you're going to be a construction worker!
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SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
je355804 wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
je355804 wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
Relevant.

This was the defining work on the subject when it came out. I just picked up a used copy at local bookseller ;)

A very good read.


Woah woah, I said I'll waste my time playing video games... but books? Are you out of your mind?

Haha, it does look interesting though!

Watch the movie Idiocracy if you'd like to see the opposite view of modern societies affect on intelligence.


Is that the one with the giant Costco and that cross-eyed guy from Friday is POTUS?


LMAO exactly.


Yeah I really like that one lol


That movie is as scary as it is hilarious. After I saw it I met my friend's cousin who is a bloody idiot...and he has 6 kids, and the apple didn't fall off the tree with them Smiley: oyvey


Sad as it is to say, and simultaneously politically incorrect (f*** PC - it's just the truth that hurts peoples feelings) but you don't see your average successful family with 10 kids by the age of 25... no way to support them, no hope for stability in any of the children's lives. It's a common theme at the hospitals I work at. There is absolutely a grain of truth to that movie... Especially in America. Wealthy educated individuals are not having children until a much later age, and on average are now having less kids... whereas those who have no chance of supporting their children are having more children at an earlier age. And people wonder why there is a growing rift between the upper/middle and lower classes in the country. It has nothing to do with liberals or conservatives. It has everything to do with social practice, which can't be legislated. Sure won't stop the politicians from trying though.
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I can't remember what the scoring scale was like on the ASVAB but I know I made almost a 100% which was better than like 98% of the people trying to get into the military...yet they still didn't let me in because of scoliosis.
It's, in essence, a slightly buffed up GED, covering basic stuff like Math, Science, English as well as mechanical and technical problem solving exercises. It's not meant to be a really tough test, or an assessment of your intelligence or anything. More like to see what combination of those skills you're most apt at and going from that suggesting military occupation specialties you'd be best suited for. If you're still interested, you should talk to your recruiter and doctor about seeing if you can get a waiver. Anything under 20%/30% (depending on type) is waiverable.

Edited, May 16th 2013 3:28pm by lolgaxe
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electromagnet83 wrote:
I can't remember what the scoring scale was like on the ASVAB but I know I made almost a 100% which was better than like 98% of the people trying to get into the military...yet they still didn't let me in because of scoliosis.
It's, in essence, a slightly buffed up GED, covering basic stuff like Math, Science, English as well as mechanical and technical problem solving exercises. It's not meant to be a really tough test, or an assessment of your intelligence or anything. More like to see what combination of those skills you're most apt at and going from that suggesting military occupation specialties you'd be best suited for. If you're still interested, you should talk to your recruiter and doctor about seeing if you can get a waiver. Anything under 20%/30% (depending on type) is waiverable.

Edited, May 16th 2013 3:28pm by lolgaxe


Yea it definitely wasn't hard. Which is why I was so surprised to hear the folks that rode with me on the bus to MEP station made like a 46/100 lol.
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#23 May 16 2013 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
je355804 wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
je355804 wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
Relevant.

This was the defining work on the subject when it came out. I just picked up a used copy at local bookseller ;)

A very good read.


Woah woah, I said I'll waste my time playing video games... but books? Are you out of your mind?

Haha, it does look interesting though!

Watch the movie Idiocracy if you'd like to see the opposite view of modern societies affect on intelligence.


Is that the one with the giant Costco and that cross-eyed guy from Friday is POTUS?


LMAO exactly.


Yeah I really like that one lol


That movie is as scary as it is hilarious. After I saw it I met my friend's cousin who is a bloody idiot...and he has 6 kids, and the apple didn't fall off the tree with them Smiley: oyvey


Sad as it is to say, and simultaneously politically incorrect (f*** PC - it's just the truth that hurts peoples feelings) but you don't see your average successful family with 10 kids by the age of 25... no way to support them, no hope for stability in any of the children's lives. It's a common theme at the hospitals I work at. There is absolutely a grain of truth to that movie... Especially in America. Wealthy educated individuals are not having children until a much later age, and on average are now having less kids... whereas those who have no chance of supporting their children are having more children at an earlier age. And people wonder why there is a growing rift between the upper/middle and lower classes in the country. It has nothing to do with liberals or conservatives. It has everything to do with social practice, which can't be legislated. Sure won't stop the politicians from trying though.


I agree with you. My gf is a social worker specializing in young mothers in dangerous home enviornments. Asking her "How was your day?" is a 50/50 chance of something funny that happened in the office or an absolute horror story. It is a social rather than regulation problem, but as my government teacher in high school told me: "Most forms of regulation work on paper, but once PEOPLE get involved that goes out the window."
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je355804 wrote:
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je355804 wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
je355804 wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
Relevant.

This was the defining work on the subject when it came out. I just picked up a used copy at local bookseller ;)

A very good read.


Woah woah, I said I'll waste my time playing video games... but books? Are you out of your mind?

Haha, it does look interesting though!

Watch the movie Idiocracy if you'd like to see the opposite view of modern societies affect on intelligence.


Is that the one with the giant Costco and that cross-eyed guy from Friday is POTUS?


LMAO exactly.


Yeah I really like that one lol


That movie is as scary as it is hilarious. After I saw it I met my friend's cousin who is a bloody idiot...and he has 6 kids, and the apple didn't fall off the tree with them Smiley: oyvey


Sad as it is to say, and simultaneously politically incorrect (f*** PC - it's just the truth that hurts peoples feelings) but you don't see your average successful family with 10 kids by the age of 25... no way to support them, no hope for stability in any of the children's lives. It's a common theme at the hospitals I work at. There is absolutely a grain of truth to that movie... Especially in America. Wealthy educated individuals are not having children until a much later age, and on average are now having less kids... whereas those who have no chance of supporting their children are having more children at an earlier age. And people wonder why there is a growing rift between the upper/middle and lower classes in the country. It has nothing to do with liberals or conservatives. It has everything to do with social practice, which can't be legislated. Sure won't stop the politicians from trying though.


I agree with you. My gf is a social worker specializing in young mothers in dangerous home enviornments. Asking her "How was your day?" is a 50/50 chance of something funny that happened in the office or an absolute horror story. It is a social rather than regulation problem, but as my government teacher in high school told me: "Most forms of regulation work on paper, but once PEOPLE get involved that goes out the window."


Agreed with all of the above.

This isn't to say these people who are having kids are bad people... simply a solid matter of fact.
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