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#1 May 20 2013 at 11:41 AM Rating: Default
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Find your favorite FF Villain Smiley: smile And did they get the spot they deserve on the list?

http://www.gamesradar.com/top-100-villains-video-games/
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#2 May 20 2013 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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Kefka. Not bad. Guess if he were reoccurring he'd be higher on the list.
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#3 May 20 2013 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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The best inclusion on the list for me is definitely #38, the Yeti from Ski-free. I had tons of fun trying to outrace him for as long as possible. Ah the good old days of our Compaq Presario 286.
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I cannot believe they put lucas blight at # 93.... He is right next to kefka as far as RPG villains... The guy was insane and so much fun Smiley: lol
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Wow! Kefka got #2 Smiley: lol I am surprised, i would have given him #1, but considering ganandorf has had more sequels where he is the bad guy, and more recent, i can kinda understands... Tho i would still put luca blight above Sephiroth....
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Tom Nook from animal crossing at number 80, laughed when I read the entry for him. I was wondering when I would find Ganondorf was surpised by that one.
#7 May 20 2013 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
I think Kefka and Ganondorf are interchangable at the top spot, like 1 and 1A.
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Ganondorf beat out kefka and seph?? Lies!
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As much as I like Kefka as a villain, I feel like their description oversells him and attempts to develop his character beyond what's actually in the game.
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As much as I like Kefka as a villain, I feel like their description oversells him and attempts to develop his character beyond what's actually in the game.


Care to elaborate? I thought the majority of it was a pretty spot-on description.
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I do feel like it over-analyzed Kefka a bit, but it's mostly right.

I'm VERY disappointed that Luca Blight ranked so low. Guy lost to a grue. Seriously? It took an army to bring the guy down, laughing all the way, and the thing that goes bump in the night is a scarier villain? Call me when Luca is scared off by a flashlight.
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BartelX wrote:
Kachi wrote:
As much as I like Kefka as a villain, I feel like their description oversells him and attempts to develop his character beyond what's actually in the game.


Care to elaborate? I thought the majority of it was a pretty spot-on description.


If you link/quote the description, I'll say more (not going to find my way back to it), but they make it sound as though the game really fleshed him out as a character. He was a great villain, but more archetypal than "human." You don't actually learn THAT much about him and his background, and I don't think most people would consider him especially "relatable" (and if you know anyone who does, please, check them into the nearest psych ward immediately).
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Kefka is the most beautifully realised, nuanced, off-kilter, and flat-out terrifying villain in the entire history of Final Fantasy. He might not be a genetically modified, single-minded supersoldier or an omnipotent sorcerer capable of bending time and space to his will, but that’s exactly why he’s so scary. Kefka is a big bundle of psychosis and very human frailties who clawed together every last scrap of (ultimately apocalyptic) power he gained through his own desperate rage.

Long before that point though, he was still the most effortlessly cruel of all Final Fantasy bad guys, poisoning a besieged town’s water supply even after the battle was all-but won. Following that, he brought about the end of the world as a casual side-effect of his ultimate grasp for power, then spent the days after the end of days nihilistically torturing and destroying the world’s put-upon survivors simply for his own amusement. A horrific, anarchic nightmare of a man/god, Kefka is regardless far from unrelatable. Essentially an angry, petulant toddler in the body of an apocalyptic harbinger of destruction, underneath his countless atrocities there always lay a scared, sad, out-of-control kid just trying to make sense of his lot.


I agree with you that he's not incredibly relatable in that he's bat-sh*t crazy, but other than that I felt like they nailed him. I think what they meant by relatable was that he acts like an 8-year old boy with a magnifying glass over an ant hill most of the game.

He's definitely cruel, off-kilter, and power hungry. He's apocalyptic and maniacal, and definitely does half the stuff in the game for his own amusement... I will never forget that laugh. Most of his power he gained himself through betrayal and crazy amounts of rage. I dunno, maybe the description was a bit wordy, but all-in-all I thought what they described is what I think of when I think of Kefka.
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I do feel like it over-analyzed Kefka a bit, but it's mostly right.

I'm VERY disappointed that Luca Blight ranked so low. Guy lost to a grue. Seriously? It took an army to bring the guy down, laughing all the way, and the thing that goes bump in the night is a scarier villain? Call me when Luca is scared off by a flashlight.


Same here, luca blight is one of the most memorable villains of the PSX era, he was so twisted and cruel, and had fun being that way too.
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To be honest I didn't recognize half of those villains. Not a bad list overall but the Reapers from Mass Effect deserve to be a lot higher up. Always found those guys very interesting. The top 10 are pretty solid. Sephiroth, Kefka, Liquid Snake/Ocelot, Bowser, Arthas and Ganondorf are all legends.

Oh, and for the record: Sephiroth > Kefka. Kefka is classic but overrated.

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To be honest I didn't recognize half of those villains. Not a bad list overall but the Reapers from Mass Effect deserve to be a lot higher up. Always found those guys very interesting. The top 10 are pretty solid. Sephiroth, Kefka, Liquid Snake/Ocelot, Bowser, Arthas and Ganondorf are all legends.

Oh, and for the record: Sephiroth > Kefka. Kefka is classic but overrated.

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The reapers where overrated, all talk no substance, i was expecting more from them, specially a final showdown with the big bad one, but he just showed up, beam you up, left lol

And no... Kefka >>>>>>>>>>> Kuja >>>>>> Sephiroth. Sephiroth is the most overrated villain in history, he has no feats, and he is a kefka clone.... Tsk Tsk!
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No substance? Harvesting the universe for trillions of years is pretty **** impressive. I like that their existence and motives were left a mystery. That's what made them interesting.
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They where not... i assume you did not play the DLC ?
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Well i do not want to spoil it for you, but the recent DLC'S explain why the reapers do what they do, their origin etc etc.
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And no... Kefka >>>>>>>>>>> Kuja >>>>>> Sephiroth. Sephiroth is the most overrated villain in history, he has no feats, and he is a kefka clone.... Tsk Tsk!


This. Absolutely this.


See Ostia, we don't always have to disagree. Smiley: grin
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Ostia wrote:
And no... Kefka >>>>>>>>>>> Kuja >>>>>> Sephiroth. Sephiroth is the most overrated villain in history, he has no feats, and he is a kefka clone.... Tsk Tsk!


This. Absolutely this.


See Ostia, we don't always have to disagree. Smiley: grin


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Fun list. I had a feeling they would rate Vaas above Handsome Jack even though Jack was infinitely more awesome and developed than Vaas (guess if your game is better funded and more gritty you win). Also, where's Shadow Link? Other than that I wasn't surprised by much, other than LeCheck from Monkey Island being so high up on the list.
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Arthas would have been my #1, in all honesty.
He has a great amount of texture, and the nature of his character is a story of the human condition that so many of us can relate to.
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Jecht! Gosh I forgot about him. What an awesome game.

Psycho Mantis??? That was one of the best games I"ve probably ever played.

Although I don't know if I'd say it's number 1 I will say that Ganondorf from Ocarina of time was one of the funnest bosses to play ever.
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I kind of object to Jecht even being in that list.

He's not a villain.

Sure he became Sin, but it wasn't because he wanted to blow things up, and you could even argue that Sin itself isn't inherently evil.
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I kind of object to Jecht even being in that list.

He's not a villain.

Sure he became Sin, but it wasn't because he wanted to blow things up, and you could even argue that Sin itself isn't inherently evil.


True Jecht was sorta a prisoner of it wasn't he? It's been so long I can't recall all the details.
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Still, in fairness, it was probably the first time the protagonist's father was painted vividly as an antagonist. I'm sure it happened sometime in gaming before that, but it was definitely rare in the fantasy genre, and with the graphics and voice acting conveying his personality, the type of person he was, etc., he is a pretty exemplary antagonist if nothing else.
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X-2 would like a word with that phrase Smiley: wink

I don't know... Jecht is certainly a jerk, but villain? Eh.. I don't know about that.
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Agreed on Jecht not being a villain but he's definitely the antagonist, and that's what the list is mostly based on. The Boss and Tom Nook are also on there Smiley: lol
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Still, in fairness, it was probably the first time the protagonist's father was painted vividly as an antagonist. I'm sure it happened sometime in gaming before that, but it was definitely rare in the fantasy genre, and with the graphics and voice acting conveying his personality, the type of person he was, etc., he is a pretty exemplary antagonist if nothing else.


Kahn from xenogears was the antagonist akin to what jecht was... Just saying.
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If anyone here is an earthbound fan, you'll note Giygas made the list... I mean how could he not? His final form was that of a dead fetus from a rape scene which it's creator thought he saw when he was a child.

With that said, you'll note the description of him is wrong... I have to wonder how many of the other bosses that I don't really know in that list are also off base?
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Still, in fairness, it was probably the first time the protagonist's father was painted vividly as an antagonist. I'm sure it happened sometime in gaming before that, but it was definitely rare in the fantasy genre, and with the graphics and voice acting conveying his personality, the type of person he was, etc., he is a pretty exemplary antagonist if nothing else.


Kahn from xenogears was the antagonist akin to what jecht was... Just saying.


As much as I liked Xenogears, and the production quality for its time was quite good, I don't even remember him. Granted the ending was pretty botched, but part of my point was that the realism of the graphics, voice acting, and all of the scenes and references to Jecht as a father really made him come alive as a **** parent.

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If anyone here is an earthbound fan, you'll note Giygas made the list... I mean how could he not? His final form was that of a dead fetus from a rape scene which it's creator thought he saw when he was a child.

With that said, you'll note the description of him is wrong... I have to wonder how many of the other bosses that I don't really know in that list are also off base?


I'm an Earthbound fan--it's a popular theory, but Itoi has never confirmed that Giygas is intended to be the shape of a fetus. It makes sense, especially with the area leading up to him looking like a cervix, and some of the dialogue, but he only confirms that some of the dialogue was inspired by a movie in which he thought he saw a rape scene (it was actually *** followed by a murder).
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Kachi wrote:
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Still, in fairness, it was probably the first time the protagonist's father was painted vividly as an antagonist. I'm sure it happened sometime in gaming before that, but it was definitely rare in the fantasy genre, and with the graphics and voice acting conveying his personality, the type of person he was, etc., he is a pretty exemplary antagonist if nothing else.


Kahn from xenogears was the antagonist akin to what jecht was... Just saying.


As much as I liked Xenogears, and the production quality for its time was quite good, I don't even remember him. Granted the ending was pretty botched, but part of my point was that the realism of the graphics, voice acting, and all of the scenes and references to Jecht as a father really made him come alive as a sh*t parent.

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If anyone here is an earthbound fan, you'll note Giygas made the list... I mean how could he not? His final form was that of a dead fetus from a rape scene which it's creator thought he saw when he was a child.

With that said, you'll note the description of him is wrong... I have to wonder how many of the other bosses that I don't really know in that list are also off base?


I'm an Earthbound fan--it's a popular theory, but Itoi has never confirmed that Giygas is intended to be the shape of a fetus. It makes sense, especially with the area leading up to him looking like a cervix, and some of the dialogue, but he only confirms that some of the dialogue was inspired by a movie in which he thought he saw a rape scene (it was actually *** followed by a murder).


Kahn = Wiseman/Grahf I am pretty sure you remember him. Also i hated X with their horrible voice acting, but meh! i kinda liked jecht.
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Kahn = Wiseman/Grahf I am pretty sure you remember him. Also i hated X with their horrible voice acting, but meh! i kinda liked jecht.


I thought Grahf was Lacan.
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Kahn = Wiseman/Grahf I am pretty sure you remember him. Also i hated X with their horrible voice acting, but meh! i kinda liked jecht.


I thought Grahf was Lacan.


Grahf was the spirit of lacan, who on his second contact with zohar learned to transmigrate his soul to another body, lacan's body died (Not sure if it died there, or later on) but grahf keept possising body's up until he meet with kahn, karen and fei on their house, to posses fei, but Id awoke and destroyed his body, so grahf possed kahn, fie's father, That is how grahf became fei's father, and was more like fei and Id, 2 personalities in one body.
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Ostia wrote:
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Kahn = Wiseman/Grahf I am pretty sure you remember him. Also i hated X with their horrible voice acting, but meh! i kinda liked jecht.


I thought Grahf was Lacan.


Grahf was the spirit of lacan, who on his second contact with zohar learned to transmigrate his soul to another body, lacan's body died (Not sure if it died there, or later on) but grahf keept possising body's up until he meet with kahn, karen and fei on their house, to posses fei, but Id awoke and destroyed his body, so grahf possed kahn, fie's father, That is how grahf became fei's father, and was more like fei and Id, 2 personalities in one body.


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#38 May 21 2013 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Kachi wrote:
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Still, in fairness, it was probably the first time the protagonist's father was painted vividly as an antagonist. I'm sure it happened sometime in gaming before that, but it was definitely rare in the fantasy genre, and with the graphics and voice acting conveying his personality, the type of person he was, etc., he is a pretty exemplary antagonist if nothing else.


Kahn from xenogears was the antagonist akin to what jecht was... Just saying.


As much as I liked Xenogears, and the production quality for its time was quite good, I don't even remember him. Granted the ending was pretty botched, but part of my point was that the realism of the graphics, voice acting, and all of the scenes and references to Jecht as a father really made him come alive as a sh*t parent.

je355804 wrote:
If anyone here is an earthbound fan, you'll note Giygas made the list... I mean how could he not? His final form was that of a dead fetus from a rape scene which it's creator thought he saw when he was a child.

With that said, you'll note the description of him is wrong... I have to wonder how many of the other bosses that I don't really know in that list are also off base?


I'm an Earthbound fan--it's a popular theory, but Itoi has never confirmed that Giygas is intended to be the shape of a fetus. It makes sense, especially with the area leading up to him looking like a cervix, and some of the dialogue, but he only confirms that some of the dialogue was inspired by a movie in which he thought he saw a rape scene (it was actually *** followed by a murder).


I never confirmed that my name starts with JE followed by a series of numbers... That doesn't mean it isn't true Smiley: wink I think we can all pretty safely say there's definitely a fetus in the background. I think he's even tried to say it's just coincidence, but give me a break... I think they [Nintendo] were mad he did that, and they didn't realize it was there until it was pointed out at a later time. So he tried to back pedal on it.

Yeah and what's interesting about the scene he saw in the theatre, is that it apparently traumatized him so much that his parents were actually scared for his well being for a time. It obviously had a great impact on his life.


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Btw: You can watch the actual game scene here :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9IzC9g_0l4

Xenogears has awesome music :D
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I would have put Albedo in that list somewhere.
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Albedo--now THAT is a villain that is hard to forget. The guy cuts off his own head, just to **** with you.
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Btw: You can watch the actual game scene here :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9IzC9g_0l4

Xenogears has awesome music :D


It's been quite a while since I last played Xenogears... somehow I didn't remember it being quite so mind-bendingly complicated.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, and yeah the music is awesome
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I vaguely remember the whole exposition about Id and whatnot. I thought it was pretty sloppy story-telling, really. Definitely confusing. I still liked the game, but not for its attempt at Freudian intrigue.
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I vaguely remember the whole exposition about Id and whatnot. I thought it was pretty sloppy story-telling, really. Definitely confusing. I still liked the game, but not for its attempt at Freudian intrigue.


Yes we get it kachi, you will find fault at everything lol
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It's not like I'm the only person who felt that way. I loved Xenogears, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize its weaknesses, as well as strengths. It's difficult to improve upon things if you aren't willing to analyze their weaknesses, and it's a skill that is important for me to sharpen.
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It's not like I'm the only person who felt that way. I loved Xenogears, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize its weaknesses, as well as strengths. It's difficult to improve upon things if you aren't willing to analyze their weaknesses, and it's a skill that is important for me to sharpen.


It's weakness was Cd2... Had nothing to do with story telling lol
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Your opinion is duly noted.
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It's not like I'm the only person who felt that way. I loved Xenogears, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize its weaknesses, as well as strengths. It's difficult to improve upon things if you aren't willing to analyze their weaknesses, and it's a skill that is important for me to sharpen.


It's weakness was Cd2... Had nothing to do with story telling lol


Buddy of mine called it the Semi-interactive Xeno-movie.

I'm betting he was talking primarily about disc 2.
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It's not like I'm the only person who felt that way. I loved Xenogears, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize its weaknesses, as well as strengths. It's difficult to improve upon things if you aren't willing to analyze their weaknesses, and it's a skill that is important for me to sharpen.


It's weakness was Cd2... Had nothing to do with story telling lol


Buddy of mine called it the Semi-interactive Xeno-movie.

I'm betting he was talking primarily about disc 2.


Yeah he definitely was. AKA the best video game I ever watched lol.
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LebargeX wrote:
Archmage Callinon wrote:
Ostia wrote:
Kachi wrote:
It's not like I'm the only person who felt that way. I loved Xenogears, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize its weaknesses, as well as strengths. It's difficult to improve upon things if you aren't willing to analyze their weaknesses, and it's a skill that is important for me to sharpen.


It's weakness was Cd2... Had nothing to do with story telling lol


Buddy of mine called it the Semi-interactive Xeno-movie.

I'm betting he was talking primarily about disc 2.


Yeah he definitely was. AKA the best video game I ever watched lol.


I understand the complaints about disc 2, but only on disc one, you can easily pour 60+ hours. Disk 2 was the way it was, because Square made the decision to take members and resources from xenogears to finish FFVII. Which now we can say "It was the right choice" but it also left us with a semi finished CD2 of Xenogears, and even as that, the game was great, one can only imagine what it could have been... Tsk Tsk!
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