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#1 May 27 2013 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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Hi, nice to meet you, that's my first post in ZAM, to which I was drawn for the lovely forums and FF XIV: ARR coverage.

I would like to add my 2 cents worth to the discussion I noticed in some topics, talking about the audience FF XIV: ARR seems to cater for.

Alright, some background info (warning, this may take some time):

I am a FF fan at heart. Admittedly, I didn't like the way things seemed for FF in the past few years. Although I admit, with a degree of pain, to not having completed the Nintendo-era FF's such as IV, V or VI (I have in mind to play them in an emulator at some point), I regardless have loved almost all the PS1 / PS2 era games. I also love Nobuo Uematsu's music, to the point where I have been very sad for not affording to attend a live concert of him at another continent. Black Mages, **** yeah!

When I say I 'loved' FF, insert some blind hate for my memory card of PS1 when it decided to fail me, and stripped me of my 110 hours+ saves of FF 8. Back then, there was no Youtube, so I had kept strategic saves just before every game FMV I loved. The pain. I had preordered FF8 at a day and age where preorders were very uncommon, and paid top dollar for it (same with other FF titles), so the blow was a bit much.

I played some PS2-era games as well, but nothing after that as I did not own a PS3 (and FF XIII was not as good as I hoped to justify me buying a PS3, oh well).

Now, on the MMO front: I had played FF XI briefly, stressing briefly, when it launched in Europe. Some 4-5 months later all my friends moved to WOW, and I went with them. I recall FF XI fondly for its graphics and immersion, but it had a lot of hardcore elements which made it strange. Endless aggro until you actually switched zones was one, and that notorious tendency to need "Incredibly Tough" monsters to gain any amount of EXP worth discussing was the other.

All in all, I must had lasted up until Level 20-ish as a Monk back then, and a white mage (I'm a healer at heart) for a secondary class, I think.

Years went by, I played through my student years with WOW, then quit when I got bored of it, briefly visited Star Wars -which was excellent to level up in, but horrific for end-game purposes, plus the developers managed to sink perhaps the most well-known brand name in digital entertainment in the world, ugh, **** you EA-

I don't count my 10-20 levels trialing Warhammer Online or Age of Conan as anything. The last game I played (and did not 'complete') was Guild Wars 2, but I didn't hate it, just stopped devoting the time. Perhaps I will slowly and steadily finish up my level up at some point, it was a great game worth a shot.

And...here I am. I should mention I had preordered, not just bought but preordered, FF XIV. Its box is still somewhere here. I played its "open beta" and while I wanted to have *** with SquareEnix's FMV designers (still do, in fact, I hope a woman in there marries me one day, and the power of love and FMV's will diminish the language or cultural barriers of a European and a Japanese), the game had issues.

Many issues.

Too many issues. Come on, making every interaction server-driven was the worst thing I had seen ever, making even the world map laggy. Long story short, I never played FF XIV either, but as a true FF series fan, I opted to wait "until it was fixed".

That time came, of course, at late 2012 when ARR was set in stone for 2013 or something. I had a look through the alpha videos and visited some news about the game here and there and found promising signs. I saw a beta roadmap, which made for even more promising signs.

Now, at last, at long last, it seems that as a former SE account holder who has FF XIV registered, I will be able to see what that brilliant man, Yoshi-P, has created. A game which is as decently executed as GW2 or even WOW is, but with FF elements everywhere. Chocobos! Armored Chocobos! **** great graphics! A UI which does not feel like it's 1995 anymore (although I'd gladly play a JRPG with an awkward menu system even today)! The potential to fight and *gasp* even summon, under certain circumstances, Ifrit, Ramuh, Shiva, etc! SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

Why am I writing all this? Because I kind of think I am in the target group of SE, even without being Japanese. I am a fan at heart, well, not enough of a fan to play FF XIV as it first came out, but a more refined version? **** yes!

Judging from the fact that it's a subscription-based MMO, I daresay even ~a million players worldwide will easily cover their costs and generate immense revenue for them. Heck, I found out FF XI got an expansion pack in 2013 (!!!), so apparently it must be doing pretty decently if they can still pay to produce content for it.

All bow to Yoshi-P who decided to build an FF MMO with a broader appeal. Unless I am horribly disappointed by the beta (and I don't think I will be, I almost played FF XIV 1.0 before giving up on its technical shortcomings), I will be there for a long time.

Bring it on! A subscription in order to enjoy this level of blissful entertainment as an FF fan is peanuts. Just bring it on =)

Sorry for the size of this post.

I just wanted to let people know that there are mature people waiting for this like it's Christmas come early. I am 28 now, was 12 or so when I first played an FF, but if they keep making good games, I can easily be 60 and still love them!
#2 May 27 2013 at 3:01 PM Rating: Decent
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lol, idk if I have it in me to read the entire post.. But here I go, I'm going to try!

Edit: I concur! I too began my FF experience in PS1 generation.. and love the series. Started off with FF7! My favorite one. Trying to get through ff6 atm. ARR is going to be a solid game I am sure of it. I already preordered my FFXIV ARR CE and standard ps3 versions! Cant wait for Beta! Btw (somewhat off subject) I find it interesting that for beta phase 3 PS3 and windows players have different test times.. Very interesting.. Wonder how that s going to work out. Hopefully not windows on Friday and PS3 on Saturdays with SE still trying to limit testing to weekends! ..*sigh*

Edited, May 27th 2013 5:18pm by SaitoMishima
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#3 May 27 2013 at 3:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sovjohn wrote:

I am a FF fan at heart. Admittedly, I didn't like the way things seemed for FF in the past few years. Although I admit, with a degree of pain, to not having completed the Nintendo-era FF's such as IV, V or VI (I have in mind to play them in an emulator at some point), I regardless have loved almost all the PS1 / PS2 era games. I also love Nobuo Uematsu's music, to the point where I have been very sad for not affording to attend a live concert of him at another continent. Black Mages, **** yeah!


Good God man! You could have been to figaro castle and back by time you finished writing all that Smiley: smile
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#4 May 27 2013 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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I ought to include a tag on the title - Only the Brave can read =)

However, it's the first time I ever write something publicly about the "state of FF XIV" so I surely hope I will be excused by whichever brave soul manages to read my post :)
#5 May 27 2013 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Sovjohn wrote:
I ought to include a tag on the title - Only the Brave can read =)

However, it's the first time I ever write something publicly about the "state of FF XIV" so I surely hope I will be excused by whichever brave soul manages to read my post :)

Lol, its really no big deal.. Im just lazy. Im sure most ZAM forum goers will read the whole thing. BTW FF8 was amazing! I actually just started a new file this morning and am replaying through it also. actually playing through 6-7-8 and 9 atm haha.. Though 7 will always be my #1 as it was both my first FF I played my first RPG period. Think I was 10-12 when I played it and am 25 almost 26 now. I never get tired of replaying them lol.
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#6 May 27 2013 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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Hah. Fun fact - I never played FF7 personally, did not own it. But I've seen it all (and played certain battles here and there).

Why? You'll laugh. I'm not from a country where English is the official language -this might show whenever I struggle with propositions, such as using 'at' instead of 'on' in specific situations, but oh well, it's my second bloody language- and...heh:

A good friend of mine back then at my junior high years knew crappy English. I had a much more expanded vocabulary at that age than him, so I actually watched the entire game with him playing. Cause, he wanted to know WTF was happening, and we all know FF 7 had a wonderful story.

That's why the first one I bought was 8, and this explains the hurt from the memory card issue I mentioned above - But oh boy:

When I first put the disc in my PS1 and watched the starting credits with Nobuo's "Overture" and then watched the intro FMV, back then...

I felt like I had been selected to fly to another planet. Such amazement and heart-warming awe. I almost pitied Square (back then, not SE yet) for not having asked me for triple the money to play this gem.

Oh well. You get the point =)

I still hope ARR will kick ***, for the sake of all that's good and holy!

Edited, May 27th 2013 5:31pm by Sovjohn
#7 May 27 2013 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
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Sovjohn wrote:
Hah. Fun fact - I never played FF7 personally, did not own it. But I've seen it all (and played certain battles here and there).

Why? You'll laugh. I'm not from a country where English is the official language -this might show whenever I struggle with propositions, such as using 'at' instead of 'on' in specific situations, but oh well, it's my second bloody language- and...heh:

A good friend of mine back then at my junior high years knew crappy English. I had a much more expanded vocabulary at that age than him, so I actually watched the entire game with him playing. Cause, he wanted to know WTF was happening, and we all know FF 7 had a wonderful story.

That's why the first one I bought was 8, and this explains the hurt from the memory card issue I mentioned above - But oh boy:

When I first put the disc in my PS1 and watched the starting credits with Nobuo's "Overture" and then watched the intro FMV, back then...

I felt like I had been selected to fly to another planet. Such amazement and heart-warming awe. I almost pitied Square (back then, not SE yet) for not having asked me for triple the money to play this gem.

Oh well. You get the point =)

I still hope ARR will kick ***, for the sake of all that's good and holy!

Edited, May 27th 2013 5:31pm by Sovjohn


Lol don't feel bad, it is my first language and I still say things incorrectly all the time x.x; ..But yeah, ARR is going to be a solid title for sure! I dare say even better than FFXI sub base in its prime! ;) ..Which I played FFXI for 5-6 years! played all the way up until the added friggen abby.. Just lost me completely after that
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#8 May 27 2013 at 6:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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The fact that it wasn't a

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works in your favor for people reading it Smiley: tongue
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#9 May 28 2013 at 2:22 AM Rating: Good
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Awesome picture! Smiley: grin

The TL;DR version is easy to get, if you just read the bold 3-4 sentences! Smiley: tongue
#10 May 28 2013 at 5:59 AM Rating: Good
Great post, Sovjohn.
I'm in the same boat pretty much. While I didn't play a lot of FF games in the past (I did play a lot of Chrono Trigger and Secret of Mana, though they don't really count), my main introduction to the FF world was FFXI, oddly enough.
I played that from NA launch until 2010 when they merged a bunch of servers and made me leave mine. Its just as well I guess...my linkshell was getting bored with Sky but was still doing Sea and about to beat Odin, then broke up when the leader and his girlfriend went to another server anyway.

I too tried FFXIV and even got the CE way back when, but as everyone knows it was a mess. At least the CE will net me some cool stuff this time around as well! I'm looking forward to the reboot!
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Ha, well it's nice to know it won't be just us legacy players in release day. But there is a lot of time between now and then, just enough to finish those other Final Fantasys!

They will be making a lot of references to older FF's so it would definitely benefit you to play them, though I suggest getting them on the Game Boy Advance. Emulators just lose some of the magic for me (unless you modded your Wii to play homebrew and emulators like I did Smiley: grin)
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XI was brutal when it was released, but they've since eased up on the uber hardcoreness of it, and now exp flows like water in big groups.

I think the OP is right. That's exactly the kind of fan that Yoshi P and the dev team are trying to reel in with ARR. Someone who likes the FF franchise, has dabbled or finished some or all of the games, and who wants to play a new MMORPG for a long time.
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#13 May 28 2013 at 8:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I have played FF 10 on the PS2 and I cried at the end and another game of SE I enjoyed was Kingdom Hearts. Now my husband and I have a PS3 and a Xbox 360 have played FF 13 and FF 13-2. And I still play FF 11. I pre-order AAR for the PS3 and the sad thing is that I am probably right on the outskirts of target group with being 41 yrs olds.
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LadyVaJedi wrote:
I have played FF 10 on the PS2 and I cried at the end and another game of SE I enjoyed was Kingdom Hearts. Now my husband and I have a PS3 and a Xbox 360 have played FF 13 and FF 13-2. And I still play FF 11. I pre-order AAR for the PS3 and the sad thing is that I am probably right on the outskirts of target group with being 41 yrs olds.


The average gamer age is something like 35. I don't think you are outside their focus.
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#15 May 28 2013 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank goodness. I just hope that I can get to be one of the PS3 Beta testers.
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mission...quest...thing."-Pippin
"Well that rules you out Pip."-Merry
"Nine Companions. And so you shall be The Fellowship of the Ring."-Elrond
"Great...so..where're we goin?"-Pippin

#16 May 28 2013 at 9:15 AM Rating: Decent
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LadyVaJedi wrote:
Thank goodness. I just hope that I can get to be one of the PS3 Beta testers.


Ha, good luck! I pre-ordered my PS3 copy today.
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#17 May 28 2013 at 9:16 AM Rating: Good
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I'm kinda honoured that >1-2 people braced themselves and read my post, but yeah:

I'm not the only one I know waiting to play a decent FF game for a long time. Since I consider 13 a flop, and 13-2 just decent, not awesome, ARR would provide an opportunity to be immersed in lore for the first time in many years.

It's always encouraging to find out that the chief producer / director is a FF fan and an MMO gamer familiar with the breed. It's a super combination.
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