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#1 Jun 03 2013 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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An interesting article was just posted on massively about XIV fansites... I'm curious to here your opinions on this:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/06/01/the-mog-log-the-dark-night-of-the-final-fantasy-xiv-fansite/

I believe this says some good things about Zam! Even at it's worst points, FFXIV Zam still had plenty of visitors.

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#2 Jun 03 2013 at 10:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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I believe this says some good things about Zam! Even at it's worst points, FFXIV Zam still had plenty of visitors.


Traffic in the Final Fantasy sections definitely dropped off significantly, but what can you expect? The problem wasn't a lack of admin attention or community spirit... but for a very long time, the development of FFXIV was happening entirely behind the scenes, leaving very little "new" content needed for fan sites to thrive. This was likely the issue for all the relevant FFXIV fansites, and not just ZAM.

Fortunately, ZAM has always had a fantastic community that enjoys spirited discussion. People may use other sites to look up guides and item stats, but ZAM has always been the place to be for people who just want to talk. I also think ZAM's editorial staff is traditionally superior to everything else out there. Not only do we have FFXIV-specific admins and writers, but there are also less-attached ZAM writers who can evaluate the game from a more objective position.

Anyway, with ARR looming, we seem to be getting a bit busier in here again. I expect we'll have even more "spirited" debates once that pesky NDA is lifted.

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#3 Jun 03 2013 at 10:44 AM Rating: Default
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agreed ZAM has a very good community... always has been someone around to shoot the **** with even in its darkest hours...
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#4 Jun 03 2013 at 10:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yep, and i agree the past 2 weeks or so we became way more active than before and i believe it will grow even more!
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#5 Jun 03 2013 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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I used to frequent Eorzeapedia alot. But they deleted most of my old posts and shrunk down the forum sub categories too much for me to continue there. Been at Zam ever since. I like reading my old posts to see if I still feel the same way I did when I posted something.

I like it here.
#6 Jun 03 2013 at 10:54 AM Rating: Excellent
Zam is the place to be, especially since Wint and a few other dedicated members do all the leg work finding information...it's basically a one stop shop for ARR info.
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Always enjoyed Zam. Aside from my Linkshell forums that I regularly troll, I've always enjoyed reading (and occasionally posting) starting from way back when I was playing FFXI before FFXIV came out. Yes the community did die down a little and with the lodestone forums some people didn't spend as long in here as they used to. It's great having more people posting here recently as it's not just the opinions of the few anymore but a wider spread. I hope with the advent of ARR the ZAM community keeps growing and flourishing.
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#8 Jun 03 2013 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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Always enjoyed Zam. Aside from my Linkshell forums that I regularly troll, I've always enjoyed reading (and occasionally posting) starting from way back when I was playing FFXI before FFXIV came out. Yes the community did die down a little and with the lodestone forums some people didn't spend as long in here as they used to. It's great having more people posting here recently as it's not just the opinions of the few anymore but a wider spread. I hope with the advent of ARR the ZAM community keeps growing and flourishing.


I have looked around and I would say ZAM is home to the largest forum for XIV at least... granted I don't go on lodestone so I'm not sure what that's like.

I have a general distaste for how un-user-friendly that forum is... no time/date stamps... the forum windows are horrible to navigate. It's just bad.
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It doesn't surprise me that FFXIVCore failed. If you've ever seen their staff post on the Lodestone, it was obvious they were in it for themselves and had no respect for the community they were supposed to represent and support. And that's not even counting the scandal of selling beta keys for money, etc.

I do feel bad for Eorzeapedia though. Not sure where it went wrong.
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I'm sure that even once I'm allowed to post on the Lodestone after release, I'll still spend plenty of time here. I'm too familiar with the system to just up and leave ZAM. I feel a little bad that I haven't posted much in my years of being a member here. I've been trying to play catch-up. I do love our tight-knit circle here in =152. I'm looking forward to the NDA lift and release so we can have a breadth of topics to discuss.
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#11 Jun 03 2013 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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I'm sure that even once I'm allowed to post on the Lodestone after release, I'll still spend plenty of time here. I'm too familiar with the system to just up and leave ZAM. I feel a little bad that I haven't posted much in my years of being a member here. I've been trying to play catch-up. I do love our tight-knit circle here in =152. I'm looking forward to the NDA lift and release so we can have a breadth of topics to discuss.



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#12 Jun 03 2013 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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Smiley: lol I'd rather be here than at =10 these days.
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#13 Jun 03 2013 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
My love affair with ZAM began when I played XI, when this was the community site to go to- the detailed information and the quality of discussion were unparalleled. It always held a special place in the back of my mind, even when I ragequitted the forums a few years because of the extreme negativity around the XIV launch.... hence my reason for coming back at all!

I'm glad to see more new people around here and people seem genuinely excited about XIV, so in my opinion these forums are looking brighter by the day. But even if these forums don't see a resurgence to the levels of XI activity, I'll always be happy here so long as the people are nice, insightful, and share a passion for the title. I've harped on this in a few previous posts, but basically I see ZAM as a site of enthusiasts, and it's that "enthusiasm" which above all else makes this a great place to be.

3 cheers for ZAM, the admins, and the rest of you folks!
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I remember when I first heard about this site I accidentally spelled allakhazam wrong and ended up at an RMT site. It confused the **** out of me because I was brand new to the MMO scene and was just looking for guides/help on what do for certain things in XI. I didn't understand why somebody sent me here for guide help and they were only trying to sell me gil. But I eventually figured out my mistake and I've been a lurker ever since.

I've always enjoyed this site a lot more than others. Even when I was only a lurker, or when I wasn't playing an MMO at all. I always tried to come back to see how things were going with XI and then to see if XIV was ever going to come out for PS3. By the time I got into PC gaming and was ready to get XIV, 1.0 was already shut down and getting ready for ARR. So now I feel like I'm going to be back here for a while since everything I see and read about XIV looks so good to me.
#15 Jun 03 2013 at 1:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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My love affair with ZAM began when I played XI, when this was the community site to go to- the detailed information and the quality of discussion were unparalleled. It always held a special place in the back of my mind, even when I ragequitted the forums a few years because of the extreme negativity around the XIV launch.... hence my reason for coming back at all!

I'm glad to see more new people around here and people seem genuinely excited about XIV, so in my opinion these forums are looking brighter by the day. But even if these forums don't see a resurgence to the levels of XI activity, I'll always be happy here so long as the people are nice, insightful, and share a passion for the title. I've harped on this in a few previous posts, but basically I see ZAM as a site of enthusiasts, and it's that "enthusiasm" which above all else makes this a great place to be.

3 cheers for ZAM, the admins, and the rest of you folks!


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I saw the activity for FFXIVCore plummet after the game failed. I didn't even know it stayed around THIS long until I heard about them closing up shop a few weeks back. (Also, I didn't even know about the scandals. The post above prompted me to do some research!)

We still have good websites around like FFXIVPro and XIVPads though. I'm not too worried about it. Also: Adding forums for XI and XIV was the best thing they've done since their whole reorganization.

Anyone remember the RDM fiasco in 2007 ish in which a community rep came here and said they would be more vocal in our feedback but never acted on it?

Anyway, I'm going off topic. An official forum doesn't necessarily make a fan site obsolete.

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This would explain why I only really found ZAM and reddit when I googled FFXIV. Though information on ARR is pretty sparse. I kind of wish I could remember my old login information for this site, and/or my email I used to sign up here wasn't gone. Been a member here since I started playing FFXI many moons ago, and I'm happy to see it is still up and running for FFXIV.
#19 Jun 03 2013 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
Speaking of viva la Zam, is Pikko still around? I've only recently come back and was just curious.
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Pikko is very busy running her various fan sites. I'm still in touch with her but I think she's done with MMO's.

Our site traffic has picked up noticeably the past few weeks, I hope that continues. We also do have some exciting things coming in the next month or two "Please look forward to it"!
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#21 Jun 03 2013 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
I miss Pikko here, her "Pikko's Pots" went down a while ago, never to return.

I have her as a friend on Facebook, and will poke her on Twitter time to time. But it's just not the same as hanging with her on the forums. I remember the days she was pretty much the sole researcher in FFXI, posting every new update's content. I think losing her name really killed the game for her...
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If your wondering about Pikko, you can follow her on Twitter @pikko.
I've tried other sites from time to time, but i always end up here.
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It doesn't surprise me that FFXIVCore failed. If you've ever seen their staff post on the Lodestone, it was obvious they were in it for themselves and had no respect for the community they were supposed to represent and support. And that's not even counting the scandal of selling beta keys for money, etc.

I do feel bad for Eorzeapedia though. Not sure where it went wrong.


Eorzeapedia had more complete information than ZAM. I spent hours and hours updating quests and camp information for XIV on the ZAM forums before I realized Eorzeapedia had most of them already done.

ZAM, Lodestone, Mooglebox, FFXIVPro, FFXIV YG - I used them all. Since the servers went down this and the official forum are the only sites I visit.

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Yeah poor Pikko is cursed with runaway success. Not that long after she started working on mockingjay.net they announced the Hunger Games movies, and managing that website almost became a full time job.
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I've been lurking in the zam forums ever since I installed ffxi and realized that I had no idea how to play an mmo. I've been following these ARR threads for the past few months, and I personally think that this is the most well-informed and helpful community.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2013 5:35pm by schneiderw
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I've been lurking in the zam forums ever since I installed ffxi and realized that I had no idea how to play an mmo. I've been following these ARR threads for the past few months, and I personally think that this is the most well-informed and helpful community.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2013 5:35pm by schneiderw



And then you read the PVP thread...
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It doesn't surprise me that FFXIVCore failed. If you've ever seen their staff post on the Lodestone, it was obvious they were in it for themselves and had no respect for the community they were supposed to represent and support. And that's not even counting the scandal of selling beta keys for money, etc.

I do feel bad for Eorzeapedia though. Not sure where it went wrong.


Eorzeapedia had more complete information than ZAM. I spent hours and hours updating quests and camp information for XIV on the ZAM forums before I realized Eorzeapedia had most of them already done.

ZAM, Lodestone, Mooglebox, FFXIVPro, FFXIV YG - I used them all. Since the servers went down this and the official forum are the only sites I visit.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2013 5:12pm by kainsilv


If we could get more people contributing we'd be just as successful as Eorzeapedia. They're a wiki same as us. That being said I hope to be able to announce some awesome things to come soon!
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#28 Jun 03 2013 at 6:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wint wrote:
kainsilv wrote:
Xoie wrote:
It doesn't surprise me that FFXIVCore failed. If you've ever seen their staff post on the Lodestone, it was obvious they were in it for themselves and had no respect for the community they were supposed to represent and support. And that's not even counting the scandal of selling beta keys for money, etc.

I do feel bad for Eorzeapedia though. Not sure where it went wrong.


Eorzeapedia had more complete information than ZAM. I spent hours and hours updating quests and camp information for XIV on the ZAM forums before I realized Eorzeapedia had most of them already done.

ZAM, Lodestone, Mooglebox, FFXIVPro, FFXIV YG - I used them all. Since the servers went down this and the official forum are the only sites I visit.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2013 5:12pm by kainsilv


If we could get more people contributing we'd be just as successful as Eorzeapedia. They're a wiki same as us. That being said I hope to be able to announce some awesome things to come soon!


I don't suppose you could offer to give them a home here? Zam has the users they need and they have the talented wiki types Zam needs...
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And then you read the PVP thread...


I'm one of those folks responsible for the increased traffic over the past few weeks, but I'm considering a move elsewhere because of the back and forth in that thread, and others. I'm here for the game, not for the grudges.
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It doesn't surprise me that FFXIVCore failed. If you've ever seen their staff post on the Lodestone, it was obvious they were in it for themselves and had no respect for the community they were supposed to represent and support. And that's not even counting the scandal of selling beta keys for money, etc.

I do feel bad for Eorzeapedia though. Not sure where it went wrong.


Eorzeapedia had more complete information than ZAM. I spent hours and hours updating quests and camp information for XIV on the ZAM forums before I realized Eorzeapedia had most of them already done.

ZAM, Lodestone, Mooglebox, FFXIVPro, FFXIV YG - I used them all. Since the servers went down this and the official forum are the only sites I visit.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2013 5:12pm by kainsilv


If we could get more people contributing we'd be just as successful as Eorzeapedia. They're a wiki same as us. That being said I hope to be able to announce some awesome things to come soon!


I don't suppose you could offer to give them a home here? Zam has the users they need and they have the talented wiki types Zam needs...


What do you mean? Anyone is allowed to edit our wiki..
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And then you read the PVP thread...


I'm one of those folks responsible for the increased traffic over the past few weeks, but I'm considering a move elsewhere because of the back and forth in that thread, and others. I'm here for the game, not for the grudges.



While that thread did get a little out of hand, every forum community I've lurked around has threads like that every now and then. I would assume at the end of that day that we're all here for the game, and hoping for it's eventual success.
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Wint wrote:
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Wint wrote:
kainsilv wrote:
Xoie wrote:
It doesn't surprise me that FFXIVCore failed. If you've ever seen their staff post on the Lodestone, it was obvious they were in it for themselves and had no respect for the community they were supposed to represent and support. And that's not even counting the scandal of selling beta keys for money, etc.

I do feel bad for Eorzeapedia though. Not sure where it went wrong.


Eorzeapedia had more complete information than ZAM. I spent hours and hours updating quests and camp information for XIV on the ZAM forums before I realized Eorzeapedia had most of them already done.

ZAM, Lodestone, Mooglebox, FFXIVPro, FFXIV YG - I used them all. Since the servers went down this and the official forum are the only sites I visit.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2013 5:12pm by kainsilv


If we could get more people contributing we'd be just as successful as Eorzeapedia. They're a wiki same as us. That being said I hope to be able to announce some awesome things to come soon!


I don't suppose you could offer to give them a home here? Zam has the users they need and they have the talented wiki types Zam needs...


What do you mean? Anyone is allowed to edit our wiki..


I was thinking more grand scale like a site merge.
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Eorzeapedia was the best for up to date Company,DoH and DoL info to fill in the gaps at Zam.I cant remember anything Forum wise from that site. but i still have my password saved for relaunch. "if it's still there'
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I would think they would have to agree to that.

Eorzeapedia split from GamerEscape and while GamerEscape has excellent leadership in the form of @rofldrg I'm not sure who's in charge of Eorzeapedia (other than the contributors).
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When you get people who are passionate about having a very good game to play, spirited discussion and opposing ideas will surface. The key is to actually listen to their ideas and understand the other viewpoint before even posting. If not the discussions will turn into huge attacks on each others character instead of a debate on the discussion. Zam has a good balance though and great mod team, as release gets closer this site will continue to be the premier spot for XIV news and discussion (at least for me).
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I think the lack of things to talk about has just had people at each other's throats for a little while, I imagine this place will be full of people when the game is released again.
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Anyway, with ARR looming, we seem to be getting a bit busier in here again. I expect we'll have even more "spirited" debates once that pesky NDA is lifted.


I'm debating to come in guns blazing or to run and duck for cover. Any time the NDA is lifted on other MMOs, it tends to explode into arguments.
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I've generally viewed the official forums as a cesspool of the worst people the fan base has to offer, so I'm sticking to sites life ZAM.
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