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#1 Jun 07 2013 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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I read this earlier - http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/06/microsoft-details-xbox-one-used-games-always-online

I couldn't help but feel sad and disgusted about what I was reading. I own two 360's. One for me and one for my son. He is constantly raiding my gaming cabinet to take to his room to play on his console. If I read this correctly, then him and I will not be able to share games back and forth like this anymore. So now, unless I am mistaken on how it's going to work or unless something changes, Microsoft will be losing the sales of 2 Xbox Ones, the yearly fees for 2 Xbox Live accounts, and the money from many games that I buy.

I just bought a gaming laptop at the beginning of this year. It seems like I got into PC gaming at the right time. I like having choice though. So I really hope Microsoft changes, and that the PS4 doesn't come with all of this red tape.


#2 Jun 07 2013 at 3:31 PM Rating: Excellent
Would not buy.

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I am deeply interested in its eminent demise. Clearly that sort of thing interests me, if you catch my drift Smiley: tongue
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I believe you can share games between the whole household.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

Honestly I never was an xbox fan....this truly solidifies my position.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main
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I believe you can share games between the whole household.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

Honestly I never was an xbox fan....this truly solidifies my position.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main



Ok, well if that part about being able to share my games with my son is true then maybe they haven't lost me as a customer quite yet. That was my biggest gripe.

If ARR captures me the way I want it to then it's kind of a moot point anyways I guess since I will be spending most if not all of my gaming time on my PC/PS3 with hopefully all of you guys and gals!
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Sure, it's the next gen in gaming... I'm always interested in new systems.

Anyone who thinks the failure of one system is a good thing isn't thinking logically about the situation... Competition breeds advancement. If Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo didn't compete with one another the quality of product we have now might very well be worse. Having two, three, even four major players in the video game console is a very good thing.

First it gives the consumer choice, and you aren't just stuck with whatever one company gives you. Secondly, it creates a bigger market for game developers to access funding to produce their games.
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I've drifted away from consoles almost completely now. Swore by them in younger days but now the PC just delivers more generally. Probably an age thing more than anything. The main sell point was having mates over, popping a cartridge and flipping a switch and 15 seconds later you're racing against friends on Mario Kart. I still occasionally play on my PS3 and it annoys me I turn it on, wait for the splash, confirm the epilepsy warning, cycle through menu to game and launch, mash X a few times to skip the 20 publisher/developer icons and DLC notices until finally getting to the game I wanted to play.

Ok, admittedly its a bit of an exaggeration there, and gaming on a PC is similar faff too. The cost overall between PC and Console is not much different (sure, a decent PC is more expensive than a current gen console, but new release games are also ~£15/£20 more expensive on consoles than PC so evens out in the long run) and not only do you get something generally with better graphics and power, but something that is useful outside of gaming too.
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It was a nice read and definitely piqued my interests with the game sharing features. I have to admit, I also lit up a little bit when I read the words persistent world however, I don't think I'll be getting the system if I have to choose between the PS4 and Xbox One. Since I was eight, from my Playstation X to now, I have gone through a PS2, PSP and PS3. Sony has my captured my soul heart from a young age, I suppose :p
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Nothing but bad news about it so far...

I can see it going really badly, but I guess it all depends on software. Both the Xbox One and the PS4 are just computers, and I'm pretty sure that my PC beats the PS4 in power, but I'm not 100% on that. Anyway, it just depends on exclusives.

Despite all the dumb news about connect every 24 hours, no game rentals, can't borrow or lend games, every Xbox One owner is ****** in the event of a successful attack by hackers (if you're familiar with the PlayStation Network hacking)... uh, so much bad news.

Despite all of that, my biggest question mark is why would they name it the Xbox One?

Do they realize that people refer to the old old Xbox as the Xbox 1, and how confusing this is for little old soccer moms shopping over Christmas? Whoever made that decision should be promptly fired... too late for damage control I guess.

America couldn't even figure out that "Wii U" is a new console. How will the name "Xbox One" work out? lol
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http://youtu.be/ryB-hdtpQRw

Angry Joe pretty much says what I'm thinking about it. Beware though, he's loud and cusses alot.


Also, I was never a one or the other console owner. I've always owned every console out if I could. The only reason why I liked the 360 over the ps3 was literally because of the controller. I still own a ps3, but didn't play it near as much as I did my 360. I've been very fortunate to be able to afford my hobby for myself and my son.

After reading and watching all of this about the Xbox One I am not excited about it at all. I should be excited, it's a new freakin console entry into the hobby that I love so much.

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I just bought a gaming laptop at the beginning of this year. It seems like I got into PC gaming at the right time. I like having choice though. So I really hope Microsoft changes, and that the PS4 doesn't come with all of this red tape.


All of this news is pro-publisher. It scares me but I think there might be some 'red tape' PS4 announcements yet to come, or the game publishers might say bye-bye.

I mean, who do you think a publisher like EA is going to go to? The one that restricts used games, rentals, loaning - everybody and their sister needs to buy a new $60 copy - before DLC, of course!

I like the "used games at participating retailers" part. Yeah, that's not dripping wet with a Gamestop partnership or anything. I love when companies force me where to shop for my products.

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To simply answer the title, no Im not interested. Playstation has always been my thing but last gen Xbox started winning me over with better titles/graphics. After all this though I will remain loyal to Sony...depending on how outrageous their details are Monday. I may end up PCGAMAR4LYFE
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No, I think it's another tool for the government to spy on us really. I've been a sony guy since 95' anyway.
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My Kinect kinda creeps me out. Honestly, it reminds me of the Dark Knight when they hack into all of the cell phones. Most of the time I keep it closed in a cabinet.
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No, I think it's another tool for the government to spy on us really. I've been a sony guy since 95' anyway.


I highly doubt Xbox is part of a government conspiracy. In more simple terms, they are just morons.
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Consoles are going.to exist awhile. There are three reasons pc will never be the main stream platform of choice as is.
1. Too many different manufacturers. The three big companies cannot model the content how they see fit if they do not own a unified platform.
2.There are is no unified power gaming pc platform. When it isn't unified, that makes gamers wonder what the rules are. Can their system play this particular game? Is there a dedicated online service for connecting and playing with others easily through this particular pc platform? Can my gaming pc play every game out there since there is no standard rule that makes devs create games at a certain spec?
3.There is no gaming pc manufacturer who publishes games, creates games, creates custom peripherals or markets games for their machine as a gaming first pc on a whole.

As of right now consoles are claiming to be a gaming system first which can do some things a pc can do. And pcs are being a pc first that can do games. Microsoft should have made the first affordable unified gaming pc. Then if they didn't dominate the game industry. They would have at least made their system night and day different from their current competition. They could actually live up to ps3s slogan not hyped. "It only does everything."

Hardware competition doesn't breed quality. Developers breed quality. Whether we have 1 gaming platform or a hundred. We are not stupid children. The devs who pain stakingly strive for excellence will be the ones that sell above the other games.

Pc as of now can be way more powerful than consoles but the cost run up as they become more apparently powerful over consoles. If there was an affordable gaming pc. That would probably cement the death of consoles. There are a couple of dabblers such as the ouya experimenting with that notion. But they are not doing what I had listed under the topic three above.

Xbox one is going to sell. PS4 is going to sell. Nintendo is going to sell hopefully. We win either way. But lose at the same time if we do not buy all three systems. The exclusives are out of reach.

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Not to mention PC games require constant upgrades to play the best graphics... whereas console devs figure out how to harness more and more power out of the same hardware. But I still love pc gaming regardless.
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Not to mention PC games require constant upgrades to play the best graphics... whereas console devs figure out how to harness more and more power out of the same hardware. But I still love pc gaming regardless.



Seeing as how XIV has a minimum required* GPU of GTX8800 I would go on as much to say that is not the case, just that pc developers understand their users upgrade much more often. Developers of console games are REQUIRED to match those specifications. A ps3 today is very similar to a ps3 from 2006. A PC today is VERY DIFFERENT to a PC from 2006.

It has everything to do with the limitations they have on a console and the creativity required to squeak that last bit of performance out of the system.


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Consoles are going.to exist awhile. There are three reasons pc will never be the main stream platform of choice as is.
1. Too many different manufacturers. The three big companies cannot model the content how they see fit if they do not own a unified platform.
2.There are is no unified power gaming pc platform. When it isn't unified, that makes gamers wonder what the rules are. Can their system play this particular game? Is there a dedicated online service for connecting and playing with others easily through this particular pc platform? Can my gaming pc play every game out there since there is no standard rule that makes devs create games at a certain spec?
3.There is no gaming pc manufacturer who publishes games, creates games, creates custom peripherals or markets games for their machine as a gaming first pc on a whole.

As of right now consoles are claiming to be a gaming system first which can do some things a pc can do. And pcs are being a pc first that can do games. Microsoft should have made the first affordable unified gaming pc. Then if they didn't dominate the game industry. They would have at least made their system night and day different from their current competition. They could actually live up to ps3s slogan not hyped. "It only does everything."

Hardware competition doesn't breed quality. Developers breed quality. Whether we have 1 gaming platform or a hundred. We are not stupid children. The devs who pain stakingly strive for excellence will be the ones that sell above the other games.

Pc as of now can be way more powerful than consoles but the cost run up as they become more apparently powerful over consoles. If there was an affordable gaming pc. That would probably cement the death of consoles. There are a couple of dabblers such as the ouya experimenting with that notion. But they are not doing what I had listed under the topic three above.

Xbox one is going to sell. PS4 is going to sell. Nintendo is going to sell hopefully. We win either way. But lose at the same time if we do not buy all three systems. The exclusives are out of reach.

Edited, Jun 7th 2013 7:33pm by sandpark


Who are you replying to?

Also, I'm startled by your optimism at the end "Xbox one is going to sell. PS4 is going to sell. Nintendo is going to sell hopefully."

Making huge assumptions here. Lots of console releases bomb hard. Even huge ones. Way too soon to say any of that - Nintendo is really the only safe company just because of the weight of their first-party with gamers (Smash Bros., Zelda, and so on) so I expect the Wii U to bounce back (there's no reason, IMO, to buy one right now that's worth the cost) but even with the games I mentioned it's definitely possible that the Wii U will continue to bomb.

Who knows...?

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No, I think it's another tool for the government to spy on us really. I've been a sony guy since 95' anyway.


I highly doubt Xbox is part of a government conspiracy. In more simple terms, they are just morons.


http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/06/glenn-greenwald-on-the-nsa-and-prism-its-well-past-time-that-we-have-a-debate-about-whether-thats-the-kind-of-country-and-world-in-which-we-want-to-live/


I wouldn't be so sure. I don't really know one way or the other but I seriously wouldn't put anything past the US gov. at this point!
#22Killua125, Posted: Jun 07 2013 at 5:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yup, and Microsoft contradicts themselves almost immediately.
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I am not replying to anyone. I am just stating my thoughts. You call it optimism. I call it realism. Everytime a console releases people start claiming it dead on arrival. I can only think of one console that lived up to that in my eyes. The Jaguar 64.
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Not to mention PC games require constant upgrades to play the best graphics... whereas console devs figure out how to harness more and more power out of the same hardware. But I still love pc gaming regardless.


This is so untrue.

Regarding the Xbox One, I probably won't be buying one, it definitely won't be my first next-gen console. Of course I won't be getting a PS4 at launch either, so that's not saying much. I have a sneaking suspicion that the PS4 will have the same limitations; I just can't fathom how Microsoft would justify risking the wrath of gamers by making some of these horrible decisions. If the PS4 is not as limited, they just handed Sony the next round in the console wars.

I read someone postulating that Microsoft was doing this on purpose to ease out of the console market since it's not as lucrative as it once was. Seems like an absurd idea but I can see why they would think that at least.
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No, I think it's another tool for the government to spy on us really. I've been a sony guy since 95' anyway.


I highly doubt Xbox is part of a government conspiracy. In more simple terms, they are just morons.


Yeah, well for those who didn't click the link above, they've already admitted to taking data from Google, Facebook, and Apple. I don't really think Microsoft is off-limits. Imagine the value of pictures from inside homes on the scale of "terrorism prevention and national security."

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Hardware competition doesn't breed quality. Developers breed quality. Whether we have 1 gaming platform or a hundred. We are not stupid children. The devs who pain stakingly strive for excellence will be the ones that sell above the other games.


Very much this. We need software competition, and we have more than plenty of it (and where it lacks won't be made up in the least with console diversity--quite the opposite). But the biggest improvements in gaming hardware are not germane to consoles alone. It's predominantly integration of other aspects of improved technology. Processing and applications will get better if we just WAIT by virtue of all the other industries in which advancement is truly critical and valuable. Active development towards consoles is for the most part more about squeezing the consumers than pushing the tech forward, and the primary exception to this are the things that many gamers dismiss as "gimmicky."
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Yup, and Microsoft contradicts themselves almost immediately.

You can turn your Kinect off apparently, but they go on to say that it's always on listening for voice commands, even when it's off.

So... it's never off, it's always listening. (You need this connected to play your Xbox One)

Government conspiracy? Doubt it. Breach of privacy? Yes, in my opinion. Also, things like that can be hacked.



True, it most likely is just a way for M$ to gather more info on you so they can in turn sell that information to advertisers, making $$$$. I am at a point though where it seems foolish to not question the governments complicity or condoning said action.
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Hardware competition doesn't breed quality. Developers breed quality. Whether we have 1 gaming platform or a hundred. We are not stupid children. The devs who pain stakingly strive for excellence will be the ones that sell above the other games.


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Very much this. We need software competition, and we have more than plenty of it (and where it lacks won't be made up in the least with console diversity--quite the opposite). But the biggest improvements in gaming hardware are not germane to consoles alone. It's predominantly integration of other aspects of improved technology. Processing and applications will get better if we just WAIT by virtue of all the other industries in which advancement is truly critical and valuable. Active development towards consoles is for the most part more about squeezing the consumers than pushing the tech forward, and the primary exception to this are the things that many gamers dismiss as "gimmicky."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/06/microsofts-major-nelson-congratulates-sony-on-the-last-of-us

Any reaction besides what Major Nelson gave would have been seen as hating on PS3 lol. It's not how much exclusives you have. It's who makes the best exclusives. Software competition.
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Not to mention PC games require constant upgrades to play the best graphics... whereas console devs figure out how to harness more and more power out of the same hardware. But I still love pc gaming regardless.


This is so untrue.



It is not so untrue. Go look at a big company launch title for Ps2. Then, go look at a title from same company on Ps2 when Ps3 was close to launch. The difference in graphics is amazing. PC games get better too but require hardware upgrades to maintain the same performance. Console devs learn how to do more with the same because they have too to sell them. PC devs can simply "make the game better looking" without worrying about the limits of current hardware.

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You do realize that consoles use the same parts as PCs right? They are not magical devices. The PS4 and Xbox One are going to be using AMD graphics processors, just like tons of PCs.

I mean, what I'm saying is... you don't need to upgrade your PC constantly, unless you're an enthusiast. In fact, I'm sure you could play almost all current PC releases on, let's say, 5 year old PC hardware on high settings, with ease.

The reason why you see graphics 'jump' like that (between the PS1, to PS2, to PS3) is because the specs are on standstill for 5-10 years, then all of a sudden they catch up.

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You do realize that consoles use the same parts as PCs right? They are not magical devices. The PS4 and Xbox One are going to be using AMD graphics processors, just like tons of PCs.

I mean, what I'm saying is... you don't need to upgrade your PC constantly, unless you're an enthusiast. In fact, I'm sure you could play almost all current PC releases on, let's say, 5 year old PC hardware on high settings, with ease.

The reason why you see graphics 'jump' like that (between the PS1, to PS2, to PS3) is because the specs are on standstill for 5-10 years, then all of a sudden they catch up.

Edited, Jun 7th 2013 8:38pm by Killua125


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Regarding the spying, this is all very annoying. Where was everyone's righteous indignation when the patriot act was passed in 2001? If you think any major company isn't reporting anything the CIA/NSA wants then you might want to take the blinders off.
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You do realize that consoles use the same parts as PCs right? They are not magical devices. The PS4 and Xbox One are going to be using AMD graphics processors, just like tons of PCs.

I mean, what I'm saying is... you don't need to upgrade your PC constantly, unless you're an enthusiast. In fact, I'm sure you could play almost all current PC releases on, let's say, 5 year old PC hardware on high settings, with ease.

The reason why you see graphics 'jump' like that (between the PS1, to PS2, to PS3) is because the specs are on standstill for 5-10 years, then all of a sudden they catch up.

Edited, Jun 7th 2013 8:38pm by Killua125


I'm not talking about graphic improvements cross-generation. Obviously that's going to happen. I'm talking about within the same console generation. Since we're on a FF forum, look at the graphics and capabilities of FFX (ps2) and then look at FFXII (ps2). There is a notable difference in what was done graphically with the same hardware, delivering the same performance. While some might say "well there was two different teams working on it" remember this is only one example. PC graphics improve but in order to play the better graphics at the same performance it would require an upgrade. You might be able to play, at a lower framerate, but that's not my point. My point is that console devs work over the years to squeeze as much out of their limited power as possible. PC devs generally develop the game based of the top technology and give you options to scale it down if needed, based on your system.
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Regarding the spying, this is all very annoying. Where was everyone's righteous indignation when the patriot act was passed in 2001? If you think any major company isn't reporting anything the CIA/NSA wants then you might want to take the blinders off.


I don't think I need to say it, but it was the perfect time to get away with something like that.

Now shut up and buy your government monitored Google headset and Xbox home camera!
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Regarding the spying, this is all very annoying. Where was everyone's righteous indignation when the patriot act was passed in 2001? If you think any major company isn't reporting anything the CIA/NSA wants then you might want to take the blinders off.


I don't think I need to say it, but it was the perfect time to get away with something like that.

Now shut up and buy your government monitored Google headset and Xbox home camera!


I need to get my tinfoil hat on, that's two of your posts I've rated up 5x each Smiley: lol
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30+ years of owning just about every major console released will cease with the Xbox One.

It will also be bought to a double stop if PS4 goes the same way with DRM.

In my opinion, PC's are better for games. Consoles need to have at least some benefits for me to play them these days. Cheap availability of older games was a draw point, as was being able to swap and share with mates. Take these things away, and I'll just stick to my PC's from now on.

edit: to indicate an opinion where it was previously presented as fact - community tears you a new one when you do that :-)

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You do realize that consoles use the same parts as PCs right? They are not magical devices. The PS4 and Xbox One are going to be using AMD graphics processors, just like tons of PCs.

I mean, what I'm saying is... you don't need to upgrade your PC constantly, unless you're an enthusiast. In fact, I'm sure you could play almost all current PC releases on, let's say, 5 year old PC hardware on high settings, with ease.

The reason why you see graphics 'jump' like that (between the PS1, to PS2, to PS3) is because the specs are on standstill for 5-10 years, then all of a sudden they catch up.

Edited, Jun 7th 2013 8:38pm by Killua125


I'm not talking about graphic improvements cross-generation. Obviously that's going to happen. I'm talking about within the same console generation. Since we're on a FF forum, look at the graphics and capabilities of FFX (ps2) and then look at FFXII (ps2). There is a notable difference in what was done graphically with the same hardware, delivering the same performance. While some might say "well there was two different teams working on it" remember this is only one example. PC graphics improve but in order to play the better graphics at the same performance it would require an upgrade. You might be able to play, at a lower framerate, but that's not my point. My point is that console devs work over the years to squeeze as much out of their limited power as possible. PC devs generally develop the game based of the top technology and give you options to scale it down if needed, based on your system.


I still disagree, my last build lasted me at least 2 years, that's not upgrading "all the time". Even then, the only thing I upgraded was the graphics cards which were definitely less than the price of a new console.
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Regarding the spying, this is all very annoying. Where was everyone's righteous indignation when the patriot act was passed in 2001? If you think any major company isn't reporting anything the CIA/NSA wants then you might want to take the blinders off.


I don't think I need to say it, but it was the perfect time to get away with something like that.

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Actually, optimization and getting more out of hardware is a huge focus for PC game developers as well (and getting the absolute most out of hardware isn't something that all PC game developers can do, just like not all PlayStation, Xbox, whatever developers do).

I'm just saying that there's really no difference.

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You do realize that consoles use the same parts as PCs right? They are not magical devices. The PS4 and Xbox One are going to be using AMD graphics processors, just like tons of PCs.

I mean, what I'm saying is... you don't need to upgrade your PC constantly, unless you're an enthusiast. In fact, I'm sure you could play almost all current PC releases on, let's say, 5 year old PC hardware on high settings, with ease.

The reason why you see graphics 'jump' like that (between the PS1, to PS2, to PS3) is because the specs are on standstill for 5-10 years, then all of a sudden they catch up.

Edited, Jun 7th 2013 8:38pm by Killua125


I'm not talking about graphic improvements cross-generation. Obviously that's going to happen. I'm talking about within the same console generation. Since we're on a FF forum, look at the graphics and capabilities of FFX (ps2) and then look at FFXII (ps2). There is a notable difference in what was done graphically with the same hardware, delivering the same performance. While some might say "well there was two different teams working on it" remember this is only one example. PC graphics improve but in order to play the better graphics at the same performance it would require an upgrade. You might be able to play, at a lower framerate, but that's not my point. My point is that console devs work over the years to squeeze as much out of their limited power as possible. PC devs generally develop the game based of the top technology and give you options to scale it down if needed, based on your system.


I still disagree, my last build lasted me at least 2 years, that's not upgrading "all the time". Even then, the only thing I upgraded was the graphics cards which were definitely less than the price of a new console.


The only point I wish to convey is that console graphics improve greatly over the console life without the need for upgrades (during current gen). PC games, which account for 90% of my play over the last few years, usually require an upgrade if you wish to play with that title's best graphics, than the last wave of titles that came out. PC devs don't need to become more efficient. They just make it better and give you the option to downgrade graphics rather than upgrading hardware. Console devs on the other hand try and squeeze as much out of the same hardware as possible. No you don't HAVE to upgrade PC hardware but PC devs also don't try to "do more with less." Console devs do. Not sure how this is even being debated.

Edit: On another note. The fact that this is turning into a government conspiracy thread is silly. If the government is watching us it is because WE GIVE THEM The power to do so. Nobody says you have to agree to facebook, google, PSN, or Microsoft's privacy policy and risk being watched. It is the user's "choice." If you seriously believe the government has time to watch John Doe's activity of sitting around in his underwear playing games and perhaps smoking a little pot then I feel really sad for our society. You should probably also stop agreeing and using those services. ....or stop being paranoid.

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Regarding the spying, this is all very annoying. Where was everyone's righteous indignation when the patriot act was passed in 2001? If you think any major company isn't reporting anything the CIA/NSA wants then you might want to take the blinders off.


I don't think I need to say it, but it was the perfect time to get away with something like that.

Now shut up and buy your government monitored Google headset and Xbox home camera!


I need to get my tinfoil hat on, that's two of your posts I've rated up 5x each Smiley: lol


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No, I think it's another tool for the government to spy on us really. I've been a sony guy since 95' anyway.


I highly doubt Xbox is part of a government conspiracy. In more simple terms, they are just morons.


http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/06/glenn-greenwald-on-the-nsa-and-prism-its-well-past-time-that-we-have-a-debate-about-whether-thats-the-kind-of-country-and-world-in-which-we-want-to-live/


I wouldn't be so sure. I don't really know one way or the other but I seriously wouldn't put anything past the US gov. at this point!


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You do realize that consoles use the same parts as PCs right? They are not magical devices. The PS4 and Xbox One are going to be using AMD graphics processors, just like tons of PCs.

I mean, what I'm saying is... you don't need to upgrade your PC constantly, unless you're an enthusiast. In fact, I'm sure you could play almost all current PC releases on, let's say, 5 year old PC hardware on high settings, with ease.

The reason why you see graphics 'jump' like that (between the PS1, to PS2, to PS3) is because the specs are on standstill for 5-10 years, then all of a sudden they catch up.

Edited, Jun 7th 2013 8:38pm by Killua125


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Regarding the spying, this is all very annoying. Where was everyone's righteous indignation when the patriot act was passed in 2001? If you think any major company isn't reporting anything the CIA/NSA wants then you might want to take the blinders off.


I have been quite active in all of this since 9/11. It's validating to have family members and friends say "sh*t Jon, you were right...", but it's almost too late now. There are way too many fools living in fear of the truth in this world. Meanwhile, I'll be playing video games and ignoring it too.

Anyway on the topic, I think XIV will be ported to PS4 eventually anyway if it does well. In that case, I won't be needing an XBOX for anything. Until then, I have my PC.

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Electro, GPU developers are constantly tuning their GPUs to better perform. Developers get better at better optimizing high quality graphics on ALL platforms over time. There is no difference.
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Electro, GPU developers are constantly tuning their GPUs to better perform. Developers get better at better optimizing high quality graphics on ALL platforms over time. There is no difference.


Meanwhile, our PCs are still kicking the console's *** all over the place. Smiley: lol
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Won't be buying it. I got along quite well this generation without a 360 can definitely live without a One. While I was on the fence for a bit just cause some of the games I like get preferential treatment by Bethesda but after I read you have to connect to the internet at least once a day for your system to not be voided umm yeah no. Not that I lack for a internet connection. But if for some weird reason service goes down or what not. No just no. I'll stick to the PS3/4 (when it has a price drop) and PC.
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It's a no for me too. And if PS4 works the same way I may build my first gaming PC in going on 15 years lol
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I'm more interested in how the Xbox One will be received once it's released. I'm curious as to how well it sells.
I certainly will not be buying one for 2 reasons.
-An internet connection once every 24 hours
-It's up to the publisher on whether or not I can resell games.

I shouldn't need to connect to the internet if the game I'm playing isn't internet based and if I bought the game I can chose how to dispose of it, be it sell it, trade it, or give it away.

.. and because I feel very comfortable with computers now, I feel that there's more flexibility with home built rig rather than a console.
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Electro, GPU developers are constantly tuning their GPUs to better perform. Developers get better at better optimizing high quality graphics on ALL platforms over time. There is no difference.


You are [all] right. I'm just bored because there is no Final Fantasy XIV info until Monday, at which time I expect so much information my head will explode.

I built this PC about 3 years ago - on a budget - and I am still able to play games that look better, graphically-speaking, than anything on PS3 or XBOX 360 to date. In many scenarios, those better looking games are PC games which are actually older than the new Console games I am basing my comparison off of.
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#48 Jun 07 2013 at 9:23 PM Rating: Excellent
No. I have a 360 and the only thing it gets used for is Netflix. There's a stall at the swap meet here that sells old consoles, I'm going to go buy me a Super NES tomorrow.
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It just popped into my head so I'm making a new post...

New Kinect = digital Palantir. Discuss.

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I can't tell if serious or sarcastic. . . Regardless, good luck...!
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Not one bit. But I do get to sit back and watch it go down the drain. :)
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