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#1 Jun 21 2013 at 1:42 AM Rating: Good
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Sheesh, so many threads about this moot point. This is exactly why I cant bring myself to bother with that forum. If it's not the "Will it fail VS White Knights" it's always something. It almost makes me glad I'm probably rolling on a new server. I know a lot of you are Legacy, but if there is going to be a larger concentration of those uber fanboys on Legacy servers I want nothing to do with them. You guys are awesome and I really wish that forum was even a tenth as great as this one.
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#2 Jun 21 2013 at 1:47 AM Rating: Default
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I predicted this a long long time ago :) Hopefully SE will see the reason in fixing this.
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It's gotten better now that we are in full swing testing mode. Those forums were/are at at their worst during the times inbetween phases. It wouldn't be so bad if they would just keep the [non]argument to ONE FREAKING THREAD Smiley: mad
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#4 Jun 21 2013 at 2:27 AM Rating: Good
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I personally favor the Legacy v1 players. Simply because they're the community that I have loved through my 10 years of gaming from XI and beyond. In my years of playing the new genre of gaming, WoW, Rift, and other Themepark MMOs, the one thing I find is they tend to have terrible communities. Even if I wanted to play on fresh server I wouldn't. Not until about 6 months after because that's when most people that have moved over from said games will have gone back to said games and we will have again, a FF community.

Of course this is just my observations and opinions.

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From my random visits to the Official forums and now the Beta ones, I am starting to develop a bad taste in my mouth for them. I know that most of them are not like the vocal community, but I tend to find that vocal community entirely insufferable. I don't think that they are the majority of the great FFXI community either. Most of them probably went back to FFXI after 1.0 failed and are probably looking to come back now. After the beta ends and a couple months after release I think communities will find equilibrium. Those flavor of the month players will have moved on and FF fans will take root.

Sadly, I don't think MMO communities will ever be like FFXI was back in the day. Even when I played again last year I could tell that it had changed. With MMOs blowing up these past few years there are far more trolls and douches in the mix all over.
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#6 Jun 21 2013 at 2:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Half the people that played 1.0 will be making new characters anyway, there really won't be difference in community. After the first month Legacy and Non-Legacy servers will be indistinguishable.

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The official forum fabois have always been annoying, even before legacy made them love the smell of their own farts.
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#8Killua125, Posted: Jun 21 2013 at 5:19 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's Square Enix's fault.
#9 Jun 21 2013 at 6:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just so it's clear, did a Legacy player start a thread saying how much better they are? Or did a Non Legacy start yet another foolish thread and get flamed?

Just curious.
#10Killua125, Posted: Jun 21 2013 at 6:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) From the earlier thread that I saw, it was the Legacy people acting up and flaming with a holier than thou attitude. I think it's gone now.
#11 Jun 21 2013 at 6:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elitists of any kind are ******* morons. One guy on the forum started a thread saying he refuses to play with PS3 players.
#12 Jun 21 2013 at 6:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yea I stopped reading General over there because every single thing in the game came down to two "sides", didn't matter what that topic was, and the loud people on both sides were always idiots. Non-legacies refusing to play with Legacies, PC refusing to play with PS3, people who wanted open world grinding ONLY or NOT AT ALL. It got to the point where it was just like.. calm down people, we can all play the game and enjoy ourselves.

Stick to the feedback forums for more sanity.
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#13 Jun 21 2013 at 6:34 AM Rating: Good
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GDLYL wrote:
Just so it's clear, did a Legacy player start a thread saying how much better they are? Or did a Non Legacy start yet another foolish thread and get flamed?

Just curious.


The fact of the matter is most Legacy players don't care that they're legacy. It's nice to be rewarded for supproting FFXIV's development team in their vulernable position, but we never expected as much as we've been given.

As far as 'who started it' that would be non-legacy hands down. Too many have shouted against Legacy Perks and it's generated an animosity towards Legacy Players, who, frankly, resent the fact that they're being tared and feathered for it.

Some of those admonished people have taken to trolling the Legacy Haters, which isn't helping the situation.

Legacy Player's aren't some raving blind fanbois. Some of the Legacy Players have been FFXIV's and ARR's harshest critics, in fact. Others, unfortunately, diddn't actually play the game during one 1.xx, and simply forked over the 36ish bucks it took to get the status. In my view these are the ones most likely misrepresenting the majority.
#14 Jun 21 2013 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Killua125 wrote:
It's Square Enix's fault.

I like the idea of a few perks, but as soon as they give the veterans their own "label" and give them real world special treatment (lower price model), you're begging for drama.

I also predicted that a lot of people would be upset... they're not really wrong, either.

Since I don't really participate in the main forums (lack of beta access) and don't see the problem with the legacy pricing, what drama is it causing? What are the people who are upset about it not wrong about?

I'm not a legacy player, though I plan on playing because friends of mine are. Curious on the controversy.
#15 Jun 21 2013 at 6:47 AM Rating: Good
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Killua125 wrote:
It's Square Enix's fault.

I like the idea of a few perks, but as soon as they give the veterans their own "label" and give them real world special treatment (lower price model), you're begging for drama.

I also predicted that a lot of people would be upset... they're not really wrong, either.

Since I don't really participate in the main forums (lack of beta access) and don't see the problem with the legacy pricing, what drama is it causing? What are the people who are upset about it not wrong about?

I'm not a legacy player, though I plan on playing because friends of mine are. Curious on the controversy.

The biggest and only 'real' perk of Legacy is the pricing, the other stuff is fluff.

The drama is basically that the forums over there have taken a decidedly "me against you" tone, so for everything where there can possibly be two sides to something, some people are just ranting like lunatics. There's a lot of trolling, a lot of random nerd rage, and very little logic and reason going on. Just stay on ZAM forums and you get all the XIV talk with minimal random drama.
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#16 Jun 21 2013 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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Here's the breakdown.-

Anti-Legacy:

- Doesn't like the fact that Legacy is getting preferential treatment
- Is afraid that Legacy Players will dominate the game/economy
- Assumes the majority of Legacy Player will put on airs around Non-Legacy

Legacy:

- Never asked for perks, but have differing opinions on being acknowledged.
- Frequently Cite the fact that Legacy Status was open for everyone to opt-in.
- Deeply resent the bias being thrown against them for no substantial reason.

Trolls:

- Inciting the flames of argument and animosity on both sides of the debate.
- Takes pleasure in seeing the drama unfold, uncaring of the lasting community damage it is doing.
- Are usually the thread starters.
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I don't think anyone is actually hating on the Legacy players, but as expected non-Legacy players don't want to feel less than. So, the heat is being directed at Square Enix in my opinion.

The argument by non-Legacy players is that they have to pay more per month, while Legacy already have perks like the unique Legacy chocobo, name in the game credits, Legacy tattoo on your character, etc.

Then, Legacy people (like Hyrist said) usually say something like "you had your chance to be Legacy, #dealwithit".

I happen to agree that Legacy players are getting too much special treatment (with the pricing). I know that my friend is playing FFXIV on his PS3 and he's a little bummed about the Legacy stuff because his PC sucks and he was waiting for the console version.

Edit: lol, the fact that I'm calling one group "non-Legacy" unironically is telling. I agree that the divide in the community is stupid, but SE did it themselves.

Edited, Jun 21st 2013 8:56am by Killua125
#18 Jun 21 2013 at 7:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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I am not legacy and i too feel the need to say to people #dealwithit. Big deal they get a better pricing. If anyone including me wanted that they could have taken it themselves. Some people should mind their own business nothing is given for free in this world and legacy paid all the time when the rest didn't.

Some would argue that they are right some others wrong it doesn't matter its just how it is. If i had the chance i would be legacy and i bet 90% of the rest of the people that say they don't like the legacy status.
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I remember this one thread started by this guy (I think during alpha?) where he was saying if he saw anyone on the legacy chocobo he would kick them from his party immediately. Read further down the thread and find out he was just mad he chose not to play and get legacy and was bitter about it.

Honestly, it's not like legacy people are getting the game for free, it's what $3/month? Most people only play the 1 character so it's not that big a deal. Anyone worried about legacies skewing the economy will just join a new server. I don't really think SE screwed themselves that badly.

The forum community isn't cracked because of this issue, it's cracked in general only on those forums. Topics of NMs, open world grinding, 1.0 vs 2.0 battle system, basically everything degrades into a trollfest fight.
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#20 Jun 21 2013 at 7:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Well $5 a month.
They pay only 2/3 the price.

I'm seeing a lot of the "you could have done it too" one-liners.
I'm not someone who followed the game near its end (or really at all until this month). Is this something people knew was coming? That there would be a legacy status for those who had put in 3+ months of play? Knowledge that was given out that in advance before the game servers closed?
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Yea, it was stated long long before someone would have needed to start paying. If you only want 1 character I think you only pay $13, and legacies pay $10. Legacies get more character slots, but most I'm assuming, like myself, will only use the one.
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I am loving the jumping back and forth with the legacy vs non-legacy stuff. According to the anti-legacy flames, I am an anomoly. I have almost all of my classes to 50, but I logged in this morning to find that I am sitting on a whole whopping 300k in gil. Despite what a lot of people seem to think a lot of us just want to play a good Final Fantasy.

As for the notice, they sent out a couple of email blasts to everyone who had a FFXIV account, as well as posted it on the lodestone a couple times, and then finally had a message outlining the specifics, followed by Yoshi discussing it in a letter from the producer.

The intent seemed to be to start getting a feel for the desire for the game to exist, they already knew that no one really wanted to play it, just some people would simply play any game with the words Final Fantasy attached.

Personally, every time I was going to walk away from that game they added just enough to get me to stay. I would play it once or twice a week at it's lowest point, and just simply didn't care (something to waste time on).

Anyways, yeah, I am just glad to see the complete change in Zam. At one point I ended up leaving here to go to the official forums because the trolling got so bad here.

It looks like the waters are clearing, and people actually are interested in the game again (more than just using it as troll-bait).
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Well $5 a month.
They pay only 2/3 the price.

I'm seeing a lot of the "you could have done it too" one-liners.
I'm not someone who followed the game near its end (or really at all until this month). Is this something people knew was coming? That there would be a legacy status for those who had put in 3+ months of play? Knowledge that was given out that in advance before the game servers closed?


Everyone with a FFXIV account was emailed the notice for Legacy Campaign when they started the Legacy Campaign.

They continued to advertise it, and even Legacy Players tried pushing it around. I think Kotaku featured it once too (though in a negative tone), I'm not certain on that point seeming it's been so long. (All I remember is the headline of "Square Enix Really, Really wants you to play their game." or something to that effect.

So yes, everyone had a chance from January to July of 2011 to get in on Legacy Status.



Edited, Jun 21st 2013 9:44am by Hyrist
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Killua125 wrote:
I don't think anyone is actually hating on the Legacy players, but as expected non-Legacy players don't want to feel less than. So, the heat is being directed at Square Enix in my opinion.

The argument by non-Legacy players is that they have to pay more per month, while Legacy already have perks like the unique Legacy chocobo, name in the game credits, Legacy tattoo on your character, etc.

Then, Legacy people (like Hyrist said) usually say something like "you had your chance to be Legacy, #dealwithit".

I happen to agree that Legacy players are getting too much special treatment (with the pricing). I know that my friend is playing FFXIV on his PS3 and he's a little bummed about the Legacy stuff because his PC sucks and he was waiting for the console version.

Edit: lol, the fact that I'm calling one group "non-Legacy" unironically is telling. I agree that the divide in the community is stupid, but SE did it themselves.

Edited, Jun 21st 2013 8:56am by Killua125


Why is legacy pricing "too much?" It's the only thing worth being legacy for.

"Oh hey guys, thanks for sticking through the bad days. I know we charged you to fund the production of this new game, and for that, you get a discount."

Don't be sour just because you don't have it. Worry about your situation, not other people's. Would you not pay the current sub price? Then why does it matter if someone else gets it for 2 dollars cheaper? I bet you complain when the guy in front of you at McDonald's finds an onion ring in his french fries.

Edited, Jun 21st 2013 10:09am by Louiscool
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#25 Jun 21 2013 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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Wait what? Where do you live and is it cheap to live there? My McDonalds doesn't have onion rings! Smiley: cry
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Thanks for the replies and filling me in everyone.

Anakte wrote:
Yea, it was stated long long before someone would have needed to start paying. If you only want 1 character I think you only pay $13, and legacies pay $10. Legacies get more character slots, but most I'm assuming, like myself, will only use the one.

Well you have to compare the price to the one of equivalent value. It is a no-commitment 1 month fee with 8 chars per server, which is $14.99. Though I can't see the purpose of having multiple characters either. I'm typically someone who enjoys making alts and it seems that this game won't have a purpose for it. So I might just do the entry cost ($12.99) myself. It depends on what you can experience the game has to offer through alts. The last game I played with a similar class setup was The Secret World and I still made one alt to play a different faction. See anything like that in this game?

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Here's the breakdown.-
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Anti-Legacy:
- Is afraid that Legacy Players will dominate the game/economy
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Interesting point on that is I was hanging out in Teamspeak with one of the guys who wanted me to pick up this game and another friend who, like me, will be new to the game come ARR. The friend of mine who is a legacy player was telling us about how he was going to get to reclaim his character and full items. At first, us two newbies were a little shocked, my 2nd friend moreso than me. Our "legacy guide" was quick to point out that we can't think of this as a new game, that this is basically an expansion and we are just joining late. Hard to argue with that reasoning.

But yeah you guys are making me want to stay off the official forums. It also looks like this set of forums is even getting more traffic and posts/threads currently.

Edited, Jun 21st 2013 10:17am by decoyninja
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