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#1 Jun 26 2013 at 11:43 AM Rating: Default
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we'll get any "bombshells" between now and official release. i.e something we didnt already know or that SE decided to hold out on til teh last minute. Or is what we're seeing/getting in the beta currently exactly what we can expect on release date (with teh exception of things being fixed if they were broken in the beta)
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There have been big changes each phase, I wouldn't be surprised.
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Unless they reveal around phase 4 that the battle system will be completely different, I honestly don't think so, not much left really to shock & awe.

If you dig around a bit we already know all there is to know besides the story after the Waking Sands. Well we can't say what we see is what we get, since SE has stated they upped the difficulty on some of the dungeons purely for beta, which means they're actually going to be toned down on launch, so this straight line progression we have will at launch as that's "MMO standard" now, but we haven't seen much in regards to end-game aside what we've mined up and seen in concept (like old FF bosses being in crystal tower.)

So bombshells? Nah, we'll hear more about the story in the next month for sure though.
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I'm waiting for WEATHER effects! That was a very nice addition to FF11.
Its only been night and day in the game.
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#5 Jun 26 2013 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think we'll get anything that will drastically change your opinion, if that's what your asking. "Bombshell" for me is new jobs or other mechanics we didn't know about. I don't think the things they would reveal would make anyone who dislikes the beta change their opinion though.
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I'm waiting for WEATHER effects! That was a very nice addition to FF11.
Its only been night and day in the game.


There was definitely rain in the game. I ran into it a couple times.
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#7 Jun 26 2013 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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There was definitely rain in the game. I ran into it a couple times.

holy crap! YES cant wait for beta:D


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Grandmomma wrote:
I'm waiting for WEATHER effects! That was a very nice addition to FF11.
Its only been night and day in the game.


Rains often in Gridania anyway. That's been the only weather I've seen so far.
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I'm waiting for WEATHER effects! That was a very nice addition to FF11.
Its only been night and day in the game.


Rains often in Gridania anyway. That's been the only weather I've seen so far.


Does the rain affect anything? I haven't seen it in my city, nor the surrounding areas.
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I believe the music changes slightly. There was a blog post about how the music would be altered subtly when the environment changes, between night and day, weather, etc.
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I don't think we'll get anything that will drastically change your opinion, if that's what your asking. "Bombshell" for me is new jobs or other mechanics we didn't know about. I don't think the things they would reveal would make anyone who dislikes the beta change their opinion though.


I think this is pretty spot on. Of course there will probably be a few tweaks to existing systems, but in general I think the game is starting to shape up into something close to the release version. Like Louiscool said though a big announcement for me would be something like new jobs but I mean the fact that they even had SCH up their sleeve for E3 was a lot more than I even hoped for so I am not expecting to see even more surprises that big.

One thing I am secretly hoping for a little bit though is that they expand some more on the Limit Break idea, it has such potential to be something great, but from the little I've seen so far it isn't quite reaching that point just yet. Like Wint said though there have been quite a few changes so far between different phases so I would not be too surprised if they tweak some mechanics a bit more for phase 4/release.
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Id like a new job announcement (thief) but i KNOW that isnt gonna happen. Im thinking more along the lines of "oh and we plan to release the first expansion at the same time as PS4 lunch" or "teh gold saucer we promised will be a launch feature" etc etc i.e stuff we didnt know already but would be happy to hear about.. like SCH during e3.. i personally dont care about SCH because its a mage class but even still it was what Id consider a bombshell announcement.

(speaking of which I wonder if those "certain open pvp area" mentioned will be there at launch.
#13 Jun 26 2013 at 12:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm waiting for WEATHER effects! That was a very nice addition to FF11.
Its only been night and day in the game.


Rains often in Gridania anyway. That's been the only weather I've seen so far.


Rained a few times in LL. It was kinda neat, there's a fog effect in the distance.
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Yea rain is definitely in the game. We even had rain a couple of times in Ul dah
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Wint wrote:
There have been big changes each phase, I wouldn't be surprised.


You forgot the Smiley: wink face Wint.

C'mon you can tell us... Its THF right? Right!11?!
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I wonder if rain and other weather effects will affect the spawning of FATEs. I always liked when there were certain conditions that had to be met for some NMs to pop like in XI and XII, it would be cool if there were some FATEs that worked like that in ARR as well.

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Id like a new job announcement (thief) but i KNOW that isnt gonna happen. Im thinking more along the lines of "oh and we plan to release the first expansion at the same time as PS4 lunch" or "teh gold saucer we promised will be a launch feature" etc etc i.e stuff we didnt know already but would be happy to hear about.. like SCH during e3.. i personally dont care about SCH because its a mage class but even still it was what Id consider a bombshell announcement.

(speaking of which I wonder if those "certain open pvp area" mentioned will be there at launch.


After scholar.... I realized I know nothing..

I wouldn't be surprised if Musketeer was also ready, or coming in the first major patch. I thin Sch was an easy way to add another job without too much programming, and musketeer was supposedly being worked on in 1.0, while Thf would probably require a whole new class.

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One thing I am secretly hoping for a little bit though is that they expand some more on the Limit Break idea, it has such potential to be something great, but from the little I've seen so far it isn't quite reaching that point just yet. Like Wint said though there have been quite a few changes so far between different phases so I would not be too surprised if they tweak some mechanics a bit more for phase 4/release.


Not gonna lie, I hope so too. It's one thing I think needs work. Currently, you just get limit breaks by playing. It doesn't require skill, or focus, or teamwork. It just requires you to have a party, and have them close by. That, and they aren't all that great, at least the dmging ones.

I'm sure it's been suggested on the beta forums, but there needs to be a mechanic that builds it while also encouraging team interplay, like skill chains, or the old 1.0 system (I forget the name but we totally did them in Dungeons before they took them away).
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#19DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 26 2013 at 1:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well I hate to break it to you but this game is trying to be as far away from FFXI as possible as FFX is outdated and talking about it when compared to this game is blasphemy around here so wanting anything from FFXI in FFXIV makes you a nostalgic fanboy.... just giving you a heads up.
#20 Jun 26 2013 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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I always liked when there were certain conditions that had to be met for some NMs to pop like in XIo [/sm][/i]


Well I hate to break it to you but this game is trying to be as far away from FFXI as possible as FFX is outdated and talking about it when compared to this game is blasphemy around here so wanting anything from FFXI in FFXIV makes you a nostalgic fanboy.... just giving you a heads up.


Belcrono has been around long before you were here. Stop acting like the forum whipping boy, you get what you give.
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#21 Jun 26 2013 at 1:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Grandmomma wrote:
I'm waiting for WEATHER effects! That was a very nice addition to FF11.
Its only been night and day in the game.

Really? There was rain in several of the enviroments several times when I was playing over the last weekend. I am on the PS3 version btw, It was quite nice.
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#22 Jun 26 2013 at 1:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wonder if rain and other weather effects will affect the spawning of FATEs. I always liked when there were certain conditions that had to be met for some NMs to pop like in XI and XII, it would be cool if there were some FATEs that worked like that in ARR as well.

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This would be cool. The Chupacabra would be slick coming out of the fog Hound of the Baskervilles style.
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I always liked when there were certain conditions that had to be met for some NMs to pop like in XIo [/sm][/i]


Well I hate to break it to you but this game is trying to be as far away from FFXI as possible as FFX is outdated and talking about it when compared to this game is blasphemy around here so wanting anything from FFXI in FFXIV makes you a nostalgic fanboy.... just giving you a heads up.


Actually, conditional NM pops were some of the XI additions that attempted to modernize the game a bit and give measured progress. These things are more than welcome (and very possible in XIV). Content that requires other content is great. Content that steals your life on a 72 hour shared-spawn timer (PCC....) is not.
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I second that!! I would like to have that kind of addition to the game.
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#25 Jun 26 2013 at 2:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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As for bombshells, SE needs to come clean as to whether canceling your Legacy plan means you'll never get the rate again even if you sign back up.
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My money is on Musketeer and Corsair getting announced... The Class guild is there... And I have been drooling over the two fisted double barrelled sawed off shotguns each time I went to the MRD guild.

But, that is just wishful thinking:).
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My money is on Musketeer and Corsair getting announced... The Class guild is there... And I have been drooling over the two fisted double barrelled sawed off shotguns each time I went to the MRD guild.

But, that is just wishful thinking:).


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Are the rain effects worse, the same, or better than this?
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Are the rain effects worse, the same, or better than this?


As far as I've encountered, it doesn't go into that much detail. You see it falling. I didn't notice rain falling from my equipment nor did I notice it making rain spots on glass if I looked up. It also didn't make puddles on the ground. It does make sloshing sounds when you run around though and water splashes at your feet.
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i have for sure seen rain in each of the starting cities... and ive seen lightning in the ul'dah starter area as well... both were amazing but the lightningi could have just sat and watch it for a good while! other than that nothing but fog from the rain and such no other major effects that i have noticed...
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Wow, the graphics in that cut scene almost had me thinking they were CGI at first. I can really notice the downgrade in 2.0. The mouths in particular are a great deal better than ARRs. However, ARR is still beautiful and more than enough for my tastes.
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Unless they reveal around phase 4 that the battle system will be completely different, I honestly don't think so, not much left really to shock & awe.

If you dig around a bit we already know all there is to know besides the story after the Waking Sands. Well we can't say what we see is what we get, since SE has stated they upped the difficulty on some of the dungeons purely for beta, which means they're actually going to be toned down on launch, so this straight line progression we have will at launch as that's "MMO standard" now, but we haven't seen much in regards to end-game aside what we've mined up and seen in concept (like old FF bosses being in crystal tower.)

So bombshells? Nah, we'll hear more about the story in the next month for sure though.



What is the logic behind increasing the difficulty of the dungeons pre-launch, and then decreasing them for launch?
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Belcrono wrote:
I always liked when there were certain conditions that had to be met for some NMs to pop like in XIo [/sm][/i]


Well I hate to break it to you but this game is trying to be as far away from FFXI as possible as FFX is outdated and talking about it when compared to this game is blasphemy around here so wanting anything from FFXI in FFXIV makes you a nostalgic fanboy.... just giving you a heads up.


Oh give it a rest... the game has PLENTY of similarities to ffxi. Not to mention, many of us on this site, myself included, are ex-ffxi players who very much enjoyed the game. I like that there are certain things from ffxi incorporated, such as similar races, starting cities, mobs, armor designs, items, etc. I also like that there is a lot different, as I really didn't want a ffxi-2. Stop being so dramatic. Sheesh.

On topic, I don't think we'll have any earth-shattering reveals before launch, but I fully expect some stuff that makes me go "Oh wow, cool".
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Probably to give MMO vets and Legacy players some hope that the game might actually have some challenge later on.
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I still think it's odd to have only one job tree for release. I'm on the bandwagon for a surprise job announcement.
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Yeah, I thing all the time. I thought everyone did?
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I thing as well. Thinging is super in atm...
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#38 Jun 27 2013 at 1:44 AM Rating: Good
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There's so many NPCs in the storyline that use guns, I'd like to be able to use them myself!
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My money is on Musketeer and Corsair getting announced... The Class guild is there... And I have been drooling over the two fisted double barrelled sawed off shotguns each time I went to the MRD guild.

But, that is just wishful thinking:).


I for one hope they go with Musketeer to Gunner similar to FFTA, with ranged debuffing (or hey even buffing) shots. Throw in some of the neat shots from FFX-2 and you might end up with a class thats useful and unique enough to warrant a party slot.
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I think any new big surprise at this point wouldn't suddenly make someone subscribe. If they get the battle system down to where it's somewhat unique, polished, and deep at release. That could really draw in people who are not FF fanatics.

Any new big surprise would be best left for the initial expansions to create anticipation and cement longing to see what's next.
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FFXIV is actually a single player game and all the people we were interacting with were NPCs all along.... dun dun dun.
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