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#1 Jun 28 2013 at 11:48 AM Rating: Sub-Default
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and yes i know teh PC has more memory thus it has more options... Im aware of teh technical side of things.. however in FFXI SE kept the pc version of teh game limited to what the ps2 could or could not do, because they thought it would be "unfair" if PC users could do thing that may or may not give them an advantage over PS2 players, so the only way to get those things on PC was to go through a third party route... that being said why is it that SE seems to have changed that stance with the PS3 and PC versions of FFXIV?

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#2 Jun 28 2013 at 11:50 AM Rating: Good
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i didnt know there were differences. What are they?
#4DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 28 2013 at 12:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) that wasnt a whine that was a general question... as for negligible... umm tell that to this person:
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Well, VoIP is the biggest advantage PC has.

Though, you can get mumble vent or skype on your phone and VoIP liek that. That's how I've done it in the past.

Otherwise, the main advantage remains to be seen when SE allows users to create apps and custom UIs. Since these will be done through SE, I doubt they would leave PS3 users at a disadvantage though, and most likely offer them to both types of users.

PS3 actually has an advantage if you prefer to use a controller, as the Start menu UI is only on PS3. On PC, start lets you scroll through a confusing list of clickable menu options, but it's much more streamlined in PS3.

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So let me get this straight. You are telling us that they should lower the "quality" (if there is a lower quality in ps3) of the pc version because the ps3 users will feel bad?

I am sorry but i find this ridiculous beyond measurement. Why? Because I can not fathom why should someone lower the quality of their product or even to do not take full advantage of the PC capabilities. If they did it in XI then I must say totally stupid.

I have nothing against ps3 users of course not, almost all my friends have (I don't) a ps3 but I do not want to lower my gaming experience as a PC user just because ps3 can't be on par with the PC version.

I am all in favor for SE to use the maximum of either platform capabilities to deliver the best possible result for every platform but for no reason should they lower the quality of one version for the sake of the other.

That's my 2 cent on the matter.
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and yes i know teh PC has more memory thus it has more options... Im aware of teh technical side of things.. however in FFXI SE kept the pc version of teh game limited to what the ps2 could or could not do, because they thought it would be "unfair" if PC users could do thing that may or may not give them an advantage over PS2 players, so the only way to get those things on PC was to go through a third party route... that being said why is it that SE seems to have changed that stance with the PS3 and PC versions of FFXIV?

SE was already changing their stance with FFXI. In the last couple of years, they've been modifying FFXI in ways that benefit PC players but not PS2 players.
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The only issue I'm having is with the Maps, but now that I'm OUT of the city and in ONE zone it's not bad at all. Before trying to figure out where to zone in and out of to get to another area was annoying.
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I'm just wondering how PS3 does, performance wise, in crowded areas and battles.
#10 Jun 28 2013 at 2:50 PM Rating: Excellent
LOL, is the OP asking for ps3 limitations? One of the great things about ARR is that, with its scalable graphics engine, those limitations will be largely mitigated over the life of the game.
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I'm just wondering how PS3 does, performance wise, in crowded areas and battles.


Only issues I've had is that it takes a couple seconds for some NPC's to load. I was in the FATE outside of Limsa with the thousand goblin army or whatever it was and there were also 20 or more players running around killing stuff. Zero lag.
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Ps2 since you mentioned it and ff11 had better graphics with an old tv, then my ps3 has with a newer tv than the one I used back then.

Don't know if the game graphics are just like that, but the mobs look smaller and less detailed than they were in ff11. That's what I was noticing, but I'm not complaining, just observing.

I figured maybe it was going to change once game released.
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#13 Jun 28 2013 at 10:04 PM Rating: Excellent
You know, some posters and some threads are just not worth the time.

Look, OP, you don't like the experience, don't play it. You keep repeatedly posting derision of it, so obviously you aren't a fan.

The UI is slightly, marginally different and less customizable on PS3. And even that is somewhat of a fallacy. Just stop posting negative, problem seeking threads and find a game that is more to your liking.
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#14 Jun 28 2013 at 11:01 PM Rating: Good
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Did you try adjusting your actual ps3 screen settings? My Tv fits everything onto the screen perfectly, without chopping anything off whatsoever. What kind of Tv and connection do you have running from your ps3 to your Tv. Somebody on zam was having similar issues, until he actually took the time to change the settings for his hdmi cable, and it fixed all his problems. If this is your solution, it would make me laugh. The map system in this game works fine on the ps3 as well, I don't know why people are complaining about it? Other than figuring how to run it, I have not had any problems with that either.

The only time so far that I felt left out in this game was when they did the lala parade in uldah, I could only see 10-15 lala's in front of me at a time. I could walk along and see the large line, but the ps3 couldn't handle it. No big whoop though, as for me it doesn't affect the gameplay at all.
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#15 Jun 28 2013 at 11:04 PM Rating: Decent
Likely the player is on a 4:3 display or has their PS3 running setup like that.

I just swapped to HDMI and, while the chat window could be made mobile and moved for convenience, everything now is very much onscreen as opposed to my earlier go at 4:3.

As I said before, that is a small barrier for entry, but realistically, 4:3 users are in the minority these days.
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#16DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 28 2013 at 11:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Someone need to work on his reading comprehension. at what point did I ever say I didnt like the game? just because Im not so blind as to see its FAR from perfect and am ok with pointing out its imperfections (unlike some who CLEARLY think nothing is wrong with the game is they have to bother to defend anything they perceive as negative being said about it) FFXIII was FAR from perfect or even far from great.. but i liked it ENOUGH to spend 165 hours being and platinuming it.. even though I could write a book about all the things wrong with that game.. if i dont like a game I stop playing it period after a few hours when I come to the conclusion that its just complete and utter trash (star ocean 4)
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Why is i that the pc version can do stuff the PS3 one can't?


Let me ask you a similar question.

Why is i that a Lebron James can dunk a basketballs but a crippled child cannot?

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#18DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 28 2013 at 11:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) trying reading the entire post before answering... I didnt ask that question in regards to hardware differences.. im well aware of the fact that a PC is physically capable of doing LOTS of things a console cannot.. i even make that clear in teh second sentence of my post...
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
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Why is i that the pc version can do stuff the PS3 one can't?


Let me ask you a similar question.

Why is i that a Lebron James can dunk a basketballs but a crippled child cannot?




trying reading the entire post before answering... I didnt ask that question in regards to hardware differences.. im well aware of the fact that a PC is physically capable of doing LOTS of things a console cannot.. i even make that clear in teh second sentence of my post...


Do you even know what teh sentence is?.........................................I don't think you do...............................And I already answered you. You should trying reading entire postings.
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Maybe it has something to do with the effort and cost of rebooting the game. Were I in their position, "fairness" would be the least of my concerns. I'd give each platform my best effort. I am sure they realize by now that PC gamers are different from console gamers.
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They made a design decision to allow PC users to take advantage of the full capabilities of their hardware, and to try to future proof it by planning for a DX11 client.

What, specifically, can PC users do that PS3 users cannot? Rearrange the UI?
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They made a design decision to allow PC users to take advantage of the full capabilities of their hardware, and to try to future proof it by planning for a DX11 client.

What, specifically, can PC users do that PS3 users cannot? Rearrange the UI?


UI addons are the only thing I can think of that anyone would make a stink over. And if the API is going to be as limited as they claim it is, that's not really that big a deal.

Everyone should remember why Windower came into existence, please. Crippling the PC version of the game because its cross-platform counterpart has lower capabilities is not a good idea.
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Catwho wrote:
They made a design decision to allow PC users to take advantage of the full capabilities of their hardware, and to try to future proof it by planning for a DX11 client.

What, specifically, can PC users do that PS3 users cannot? Rearrange the UI?

The UI on PS3 is also customizable.
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What, specifically, can PC users do that PS3 users cannot? Rearrange the UI?

They can browse the Internet at the same time that they play the game! SO UNFAIR!!!
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Here's something PS3 users can do that PC users cannot: Utilize the PSN for keeping track of friends.

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#27DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 29 2013 at 9:28 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) because ALL the ps3 players friends will be on ps3? hmmm shall I point out FFXI and PS2 and PC again? Id say about 95% of my friends on FFXI were PC players I was like the only one who was on ps2
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Here's something PS3 users can do that PC users cannot: Utilize the PSN for keeping track of friends.

PC USER DEMAND JUSTICE



because ALL the ps3 players friends will be on ps3? hmmm shall I point out FFXI and PS2 and PC again? Id say about 95% of my friends on FFXI were PC players I was like the only one who was on ps2


Is it possible for you to reply without being a snot? Just curious if you're aware of how condescending you sound right now.
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Is it possible for you to reply without being a snot? Just curious if you're aware of how condescending you sound right now.


Considering that the majority of his gibberish is barely legible inane twaddle, I'd venture not.
#30DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 30 2013 at 12:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok so let me get this straight, someone makes an extremely obvious sarcastic post or one thats clearly made to mock the topic, I reply to said reply in a snotty way and IM the bad guy? Well Wint its a good thing you're not a Judge or Jury because this is CLEARLY not a fair trial
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You're on trial? Smiley: lol

And yes, I was making a very snarky comment, but it's true that some special features are added to the PS3 version that cannot, for obvious reasons, exist in the PC version. And they're adding in APIs for third party programs for the PC version because if they didn't, the script kiddies would just reverse engineer everything anyway. (And funnily enough do a better job than SE at a lot of it.)
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and yes i know teh PC has more memory thus it has more options... Im aware of teh technical side of things.. however in FFXI SE kept the pc version of teh game limited to what the ps2 could or could not do, because they thought it would be "unfair" if PC users could do thing that may or may not give them an advantage over PS2 players, so the only way to get those things on PC was to go through a third party route... that being said why is it that SE seems to have changed that stance with the PS3 and PC versions of FFXIV?


I don't get this?

I never noticed you going full-out Poubelle until like 3 days ago? Did he hack your account?
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That wasn't even sarcasm tho, obviously the PSN is a deal breaker for a lot of people. Smiley: wink
#34DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 30 2013 at 9:19 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well AGAIN.. the POINT of the thread isnt the fact that the PC version has features/can do stuff the PS3 version cannot... I couldnt care less about that.. the POINT IS.the fact that with FFXI SE limited the PC version to only what the PS2 version could do because they thought it would be unfair otherwise. So if thats how they felt then why/what made them decide to change their stance this time around?
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and yes i know teh PC has more memory thus it has more options... Im aware of teh technical side of things.. however in FFXI SE kept the pc version of teh game limited to what the ps2 could or could not do, because they thought it would be "unfair" if PC users could do thing that may or may not give them an advantage over PS2 players, so the only way to get those things on PC was to go through a third party route... that being said why is it that SE seems to have changed that stance with the PS3 and PC versions of FFXIV?


I don't get this?

I never noticed you going full-out Poubelle until like 3 days ago? Did he hack your account?



Well AGAIN.. the POINT of the thread isnt the fact that the PC version has features/can do stuff the PS3 version cannot... I couldnt care less about that.. the POINT IS.the fact that with FFXI SE limited the PC version to only what the PS2 version could do because they thought it would be unfair otherwise. So if thats how they felt then why/what made them decide to change their stance this time around?


Because they understood it was stupid and so they try to fix that now?
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
and yes i know teh PC has more memory thus it has more options... Im aware of teh technical side of things.. however in FFXI SE kept the pc version of teh game limited to what the ps2 could or could not do, because they thought it would be "unfair" if PC users could do thing that may or may not give them an advantage over PS2 players, so the only way to get those things on PC was to go through a third party route... that being said why is it that SE seems to have changed that stance with the PS3 and PC versions of FFXIV?


I don't get this?

I never noticed you going full-out Poubelle until like 3 days ago? Did he hack your account?



Well AGAIN.. the POINT of the thread isnt the fact that the PC version has features/can do stuff the PS3 version cannot... I couldnt care less about that.. the POINT IS.the fact that with FFXI SE limited the PC version to only what the PS2 version could do because they thought it would be unfair otherwise. So if thats how they felt then why/what made them decide to change their stance this time around?


Because they understood it was stupid and so they try to fix that now?


Multi-step reasoning is beyond the capacity of some.
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#37DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 30 2013 at 10:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ok I can accept that
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Well AGAIN.. the POINT of the thread isnt the fact that the PC version has features/can do stuff the PS3 version cannot... I couldnt care less about that..


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You still haven't said which features the PC can do that the PS3 can't that you're upset about. You're complaining in generalities, so of course people are going to be defensive.
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You still haven't said which features the PC can do that the PS3 can't that you're upset about. You're complaining in generalities, so of course people are going to be defensive.


Duo hasn't even participated in this beta. All of his opinions are based solely on what he's heard, which is asinine. As for the "quote" that he added in? PS3 users can zoom in and out just fine (hold L1 and move R3 up or down)...also, there's so much that's just wrong with all of his statements. I've had no problems customizing UI. Good news is that it appears we can expect to not see him in-game at launch.

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#41DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 30 2013 at 12:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) unless youre basing that statement on the assumption that you think we'll be on different servers, otherwise that statement is quite incorrect
#42DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 30 2013 at 12:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) the quote posted answers that question
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and yes i know teh PC has more memory thus it has more options... Im aware of teh technical side of things.. however in FFXI SE kept the pc version of teh game limited to what the ps2 could or could not do, because they thought it would be "unfair" if PC users could do thing that may or may not give them an advantage over PS2 players, so the only way to get those things on PC was to go through a third party route... that being said why is it that SE seems to have changed that stance with the PS3 and PC versions of FFXIV?


I don't get this?

I never noticed you going full-out Poubelle until like 3 days ago? Did he hack your account?



Well AGAIN.. the POINT of the thread isnt the fact that the PC version has features/can do stuff the PS3 version cannot... I couldnt care less about that.. the POINT IS.the fact that with FFXI SE limited the PC version to only what the PS2 version could do because they thought it would be unfair otherwise. So if thats how they felt then why/what made them decide to change their stance this time around?


It's 2013, and FXI was released in 2002. It's probably not even the same people, and a lot can change in 11 years. I don't even know why you're asking this question. It doesn't accomplish anything, besides giving you a medium in which to ***** about how you don't like the game. Why don't you just openly complain, instead of hiding behind ridiculous questions?
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Hasn't this gone on long enough?
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unless youre basing that statement on the assumption that you think we'll be on different servers, otherwise that statement is quite incorrect


I certainly hope you don't plan on joining Ultros server. Everyone is welcome in our ZAM ls there... everyone except you.







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I was going to make a character on that server, but I became too busy with my 1.0 guy. A lot of people in that LS? Any random group activities just for fun? I'd definitely like to join for phase 4 Smiley: nod
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I was going to make a character on that server, but I became too busy with my 1.0 guy. A lot of people in that LS? Any random group activities just for fun? I'd definitely like to join for phase 4 Smiley: nod


Tons of players, fairly active. I did all 3 dungeons and Ifrit battle with full ZAM group, so there's definitely a lot going on.
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