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#1 Jun 28 2013 at 12:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Just a probably easy question but I want to play FFXIV when it comes out. The pc I have I bought at Best Buy maybe a year or two ago. I haven't upgraded the video card in it so it has the crap factory one inside. I want to play FFXIV on better than normal graphics. Not minimum requirement settings but a little better than "in the middle" or if from 1-10 (ten being best) a 6-7 settings.

These are my computer specs(i do not know what kinda power supply this thing has so let me know if I would need to upgrade that as well if it needs to be upgraded):

Processor: AMD Athlon II X4 630::::: 2.80 GHz
RAM: 4GB
Graphics Card(factory): ATI Radeon HD 4200

Any tips or answers would be greatly appreciated.

-padwad
#2 Jun 28 2013 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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You need... more of all the things...

RAM is going to be your cheapest upgrade, but you're also right that your video card eats, and that's not a cheap upgrade if you're looking for a real performance boost.

You probably meet the minimum requirements with what you've got. I know you said you wanted to run at above average settings, but I'm not sure that's realistic without laying out quite a lot of money at this point. I'd recommend playing with the benchmark software a bit until you find settings that run around 30 fps and then running with that while you look for deals on video cards. It's possible you can find a 4th of July sale going on, but Labor Day is probably your next best bet for that.
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#3 Jun 28 2013 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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So maybe 2 more gigs of RAM and a $150-$250 graphics card and I'm good?
#4DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 28 2013 at 12:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lol for those priceses you could buy a ps3 (or 4) and play it just fine
#5 Jun 28 2013 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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buy a ps3 when the ps4 comes out december? eh... playing on a consol is cute and i have an xbox360 already but to get the better graphics than ps3 and xbox360(since you cant upgrade them) i want to play on pc. i like mouse and keyboard better than a controller for my mmo's.
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buy a ps3 when the ps4 comes out december? eh... playing on a consol is cute and i have an xbox360 already but to get the better graphics than ps3 and xbox360(since you cant upgrade them) i want to play on pc. i like mouse and keyboard better than a controller for my mmo's.



ps4 comes out in november and actually i said ps3 OR 4 so waiting for the ps4 version was definitely an option :p
#7 Jun 28 2013 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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malebirth25 wrote:
So maybe 2 more gigs of RAM and a $150-$250 graphics card and I'm good?


I'd say 4 more GB of RAM, bringing your total to 8 (btw I'm also assuming you're running a 64bit OS since you said your computer is a year old). You're probably going to want to spend a minimum of $200 on the graphics card. Depends what's available.

The wild card here is your power supply. A major graphics card upgrade COULD require a new power supply too, depending on how close your computer's manufacturer cut it with the power requirements. What you're running right now doesn't require much, so they might have cheaped out on it, in which case you'll need to upgrade that too (also if you get a graphics card that requires extra power from a PCIe rail, you may not have one of those on your current power supply).
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
lol for those priceses you could buy a ps3 (or 4) and play it just fine

He could. There are different benefits to both approaches. Upgrading the PC allows him to benefit from better performance with other things he may do on his PC, but doesn't let him play PS3 or PS4 games.
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#9 Jun 28 2013 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Do you know what the computers model number is?

Let me know so I can look up the Power Supply (PSU) and determine what would be a good Graphics Processor (GPU). Most likely you could even get away with something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202011

This second group has more available memory, are slightly more expensive and might require a PSU upgrade but will perform better:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600007782%204017&IsNodeId=1&name=%24100%20-%20%24200&ShowDeactivatedMark=False

Edited, Jun 28th 2013 3:23pm by burtonsnow
#10 Jun 28 2013 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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hp Pavilion Model #: p6654y

and yes svlyons. you are correct in saying that. i will be buying a ps4 maybe early next year anyway.
#11 Jun 28 2013 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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250W PSU, and graphics are integrated. You'll definitely be wanting a graphics card.. for sure.

The power supply will probably need a bump when you do. I'd play it safe and go with a 400-450W, that's probably good enough and has enough extra juice that it can age a few years without you having to care about it.
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#12 Jun 28 2013 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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This sounds just like a post I replied to on the beta forum. Anyways, at the least, you'll need a better video card (gpu) and much larger power supply to run the gpu. I wouldn't worry about the ram atm.

If you're doing this on the cheap:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161418
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153023
Under $200 and you'll be playing, but far from max settings.

Edited, Jun 28th 2013 1:09pm by AngusX
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#13 Jun 28 2013 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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malebirth25 wrote:
Just a probably easy question but I want to play FFXIV when it comes out. The pc I have I bought at Best Buy maybe a year or two ago. I haven't upgraded the video card in it so it has the crap factory one inside. I want to play FFXIV on better than normal graphics. Not minimum requirement settings but a little better than "in the middle" or if from 1-10 (ten being best) a 6-7 settings.

These are my computer specs(i do not know what kinda power supply this thing has so let me know if I would need to upgrade that as well if it needs to be upgraded):

Processor: AMD Athlon II X4 630::::: 2.80 GHz
RAM: 4GB
Graphics Card(factory): ATI Radeon HD 4200

Any tips or answers would be greatly appreciated.

-padwad


No no no!

I play on normal settings with a macbook with worse specs than yours!!!

Don't waste your money.
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#14 Jun 28 2013 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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That system can't be worse than my wife's computer. 7 year old Dell, with an E7600 cpu, 4 GB ram, HD 5750 gpu, and 500 W PSU. It runs well enough to play.
You could get a better PSU and GPU and carry them over when you can get a better computer.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131482
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159082
This is under $250 and will do nicely.

Edited, Jun 28th 2013 1:50pm by AngusX
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#15 Jun 28 2013 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
I agree on PSU and GPU, there's absolutely no need to touch the ram. You could always spent a bit more now on a good psu (since it will carry over). Then try to find a used GTX 460 or even a 500 series one (or equivalent AMD card), which will probably be just as a good as a low end newer GPU.

The other thing to factor in, if you start thinking of slight upgrades all over the place, just save a few extra bucks and get a new rig all together.

Edited, Jun 28th 2013 6:01pm by Montsegurnephcreep
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#16 Jun 28 2013 at 8:04 PM Rating: Decent
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The reason I mentioned RAM is because the difference between 4GB and 8GB is significant when you're talking about a high-end game, and it's pretty cheap to upgrade.
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The reason I mentioned RAM is because the difference between 4GB and 8GB is significant when you're talking about a high-end game, and it's pretty cheap to upgrade.


Sorry mang, but this simply isn't true.

The first thing to upgrade would be your processor. Any of the newer i5 are plenty of processing to suit your needs for the game. The second priority is the GPU. The nVidia GTX670 mentioned in the other thread is more than enough to handle XIV and most any other game you might play, comfortably. PSU might need to be looked at to see if you have enough power to cover your GPU when you get it, but the newer generation cards aren't consuming nearly as much power as the previous generation Fermi did.

RAM would be the last thing you look at and probably only if you're going to be playing games that are RAM intensive. You won't see a notable difference in most games because they're generally all programmed to run at max(3.1ish GB), but you already have more than that. If you're gonna render images in 3D or use programs that hog memory like photoshop then it might be worth the upgrade. It might not hurt your pockets, but it's not going to help your performance in XIV.


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#18 Jun 28 2013 at 10:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry mang, but this simply isn't true.

The first thing to upgrade would be your processor. Any of the newer i5 are plenty of processing to suit your needs for the game. The second priority is the GPU. The nVidia GTX670 mentioned in the other thread is more than enough to handle XIV and most any other game you might play, comfortably. PSU might need to be looked at to see if you have enough power to cover your GPU when you get it, but the newer generation cards aren't consuming nearly as much power as the previous generation Fermi did.

RAM would be the last thing you look at and probably only if you're going to be playing games that are RAM intensive. You won't see a notable difference in most games because they're generally all programmed to run at max(3.1ish GB), but you already have more than that. If you're gonna render images in 3D or use programs that hog memory like photoshop then it might be worth the upgrade. It might not hurt your pockets, but it's not going to help your performance in XIV.


So your solution then is to buy a new computer. Because that's what you're suggesting here.

Replace CPU, GPU, PSU, Motherboard.

What? No solid state drive to recommend?

My suggestions here were with an eye toward budget. The reason for that is because the OP said he bought his machine at Best Buy (probably not someone who's building his own machines), furthermore the model he linked is a budget model, designed to be inexpensive.

So no, I didn't go with replacing the entire machine because I kind of assumed that if he were going to do that he wouldn't be asking for single-part advice.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:

Sorry mang, but this simply isn't true.

The first thing to upgrade would be your processor. Any of the newer i5 are plenty of processing to suit your needs for the game. The second priority is the GPU. The nVidia GTX670 mentioned in the other thread is more than enough to handle XIV and most any other game you might play, comfortably. PSU might need to be looked at to see if you have enough power to cover your GPU when you get it, but the newer generation cards aren't consuming nearly as much power as the previous generation Fermi did.

RAM would be the last thing you look at and probably only if you're going to be playing games that are RAM intensive. You won't see a notable difference in most games because they're generally all programmed to run at max(3.1ish GB), but you already have more than that. If you're gonna render images in 3D or use programs that hog memory like photoshop then it might be worth the upgrade. It might not hurt your pockets, but it's not going to help your performance in XIV.


So your solution then is to buy a new computer. Because that's what you're suggesting here.

Replace CPU, GPU, PSU, Motherboard.

What? No solid state drive to recommend?

My suggestions here were with an eye toward budget. The reason for that is because the OP said he bought his machine at Best Buy (probably not someone who's building his own machines), furthermore the model he linked is a budget model, designed to be inexpensive.

So no, I didn't go with replacing the entire machine because I kind of assumed that if he were going to do that he wouldn't be asking for single-part advice.


I don't make the rules, I just make suggestions. 90% of the people making threads or posting in the sticky about "What do I need to upgrade" usually end up having to upgrade most everything.

Looking at what the OP says(and based on how the game runs), the first best option is a CPU. Depending on what they get, it may or may not mean a socket change which yes, will require a new mobo. Currently, i5 processors are the best bang for the buck which is why I suggested them. There is no mention of budget and considering that they're willing to upgrade their PSU, we could probably safely assume that they understand the upgrades are going to require some work and cost some money. I don't recommend SSD because they give a minimal performance increase in most cases.

If you were really so concerned with the OP's budget, why would you recommend upgrading RAM? Yes it's cheap, but there is literally no performance upgrade from doing so.

@OP

The best course of upgrades from highest to lowest priority:

PSU == CPU > GPU > > > RAM > Anything else

Understand that if you upgrade to a CPU with a different socket, you will likely need a new mobo to house it. I never recommend using any other type of RAM than what is found in the supported list that can be found at the manufacturer's website, so it's just as likely that you'll also have to upgrade the RAM. As a general rule, your PSU should cover the wattage of your GPU + 200 for a healthy overhead. Keep in mind that if you plan on upgrading later to maybe an SLI system with 2 GPUs running together, you should add the extra wattage to whatever you purchase now. I also recommend getting at least a silver rating on your PSU. It powers everything and as a result, can trash everything if you push it too much.

And now for the single best piece of advice you'll find on these boards about building a PC...

Don't. Spend far less money and get a PS3 that will have nearly identical performance for a much smaller price. Not only that, but you won't have to spend the time and possibly extra money on aspirin for the headaches a first build can bring. I never recommend new builds unless your current PC simply can't handle the more important things you need your PC to do. I don't really consider XIV or gaming in general to be that important, but it's your dough.

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Edited, Jun 29th 2013 1:14am by FilthMcNasty
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RAM is also a simpler upgrade and anyone who can fit tab A into slot B can probably do it.

While replacing the whole processor and mobo is going to give the biggest performance boost, on a cost-benefit analysis with a third tier of "how easy is it" the RAM upgrade wins hands down.

I'm also running on an AMD Phenom II X4 and while the processor is by far the biggest bottleneck in my performance now, since I have oodles of RAM and a solid video card it's merely the difference between "high" and "maximum."

In my case, since the processor/mobo is the very last thing I can upgrade it's where I have to go. And it's going to cost me $500 for what I want. In the OP's case, he can grab $50 of RAM and have a huge performance boost not only for games, but for his system in general. And then grab a $150 video card and a $100 PSU and get another huge performance boost. So for $300-350 he can bring his system from "sad pile of Best Buy crud" to "halfway decent gaming rig." $500 gets him the base of a very good gaming rig, but then he'll still have to for out the extra $300 for PSU, video card, and RAM!

$50 - RAM for a cheap performance boost for Medium graphics
$300 - RAM, Video card, and PSU for a solid boost to High graphics
$800 - RAM, video card, PSU, processor, motherboard (Might as well buy a new computer at this point) - Boost for Maximum graphics

Pick your budget and go from there.
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#21 Jun 29 2013 at 10:05 AM Rating: Default
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so if i dual gpu and buy a psu that can handle them... im good? then maybe buy some RAM if i have cash left over. the reason why i bought a cheapy is cuz my computer that i built(i've built a couple) died and i needed something fast and cheap to tide me over till my next pc build. I might just build another computer all together. im just looking for a good way to get this computer to play ffxiv in the mid section of normal to high settings.
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A good cheap graphics card that won't necessarily require a PSU upgrade would be something like this Sapphire 7750. It doesn't require a secondary power input and the Sapphire cards are, as a general rule, fairly low on power consumption. I ran a Sapphire 5670 on a 450 watt PSU for two years. You'll have to crack open your case and look at the PSU - if it's at least 300 watt, you can probably get away without buying a new PSU as long as you verify that whatever card you buy is low power consumption and doesn't require and auxiliary power input. Anything beefier will need a new PSU.

Brands to avoid for any of these parts: Rosewill, Sparkle, VisionTek. Anyone else will probably be okay.

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#23 Jun 29 2013 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
With the PSU though, spend that extra 20-30$ on it to make it last, that way you can get a beefier cheaper GPU. If you're willing to spend 200-300$ as it is, skip the ram, GPU and PSU all the way.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-3.html

Can go up or down in budget. So for give or take 250$, you can probably boost your gaming by quite a bit. You can always spend less on the PSU, but it won't be as future proof.

Double edit in reply to Catwho, his model has a 250W PSU...
Edited, Jun 29th 2013 12:34pm by Montsegurnephcreep

Edited, Jun 29th 2013 12:37pm by Montsegurnephcreep
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151096&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=6146836&SID=19k1d1gqbl0v4

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162132

So for 220$ + shipping, you could get that. I think Wint has a couple of those Boost cards and recommends them for the price.
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I actually have a very similar system
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AMD Phenom II 840T

It came with that graphics card, which I replaced. I then replaced the Power Supply Unit (PSU) and have ran WoW at very high settings as well as running FFXIV at normal/high settings. Also have ran a few other games without issue. However my processor is bit faster than yours, x4 at 3.2ghz. I have yet to upgrade the RAM and like you am at 4GB but it doesn't really seem to be an issue.

In my opinion, if you upgrade the graphics card and the PSU you should be fine. Especially if you turn down the spell detail, shadow detail, and/or water quality. The 4 GB of ram seems fine, although by the time FFXIV goes live, I'll hopefully be upgrading that.

Good luck
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With the PSU though, spend that extra 20-30$ on it to make it last, that way you can get a beefier cheaper GPU. If you're willing to spend 200-300$ as it is, skip the ram, GPU and PSU all the way.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-3.html

Can go up or down in budget. So for give or take 250$, you can probably boost your gaming by quite a bit. You can always spend less on the PSU, but it won't be as future proof.

Double edit in reply to Catwho, his model has a 250W PSU...


Ugh, I missed that. Going to need a new PSU no matter what then.

Why do they put such abysmally low powered pieces of crap in any modern PC....?
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#27 Jun 30 2013 at 8:24 AM Rating: Decent
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so if i dual gpu and buy a psu that can handle them... im good? then maybe buy some RAM if i have cash left over. the reason why i bought a cheapy is cuz my computer that i built(i've built a couple) died and i needed something fast and cheap to tide me over till my next pc build. I might just build another computer all together. im just looking for a good way to get this computer to play ffxiv in the mid section of normal to high settings.


You obviously just want to buy a new computer, and not a new computer to play this game.

Several people have already told you... Literally word for word, your computer is better than theirs, and yet we play on normal + settings.
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So maybe 2 more gigs of RAM and a $150-$250 graphics card and I'm good?


This goes without saying, but be sure to do your homework ahead of time. Make sure that the components (PSU and GPU) you buy will actually physically fit into the tower case itself. Pre-fab computers can be a bit tricky to upgrade in part because of tower design.

Not to say that you can't do it -- just be aware of what your motherboard can handle, that your GPU isn't so long or large that it will bump into other components, and any other potential issues that may arise. PC makers sometimes design the internal geography based on a specific set of parts.

Fortunately, though, sites like this also exist:
http://www.4allmemory.com/video-card/compaq-hp-pavilion-P6654Y/

Upgrading factory PCs isn't all that uncommon, so you usually won't be the only one who has thought to upgrade their HP Pavillion. If you are persistent you can usually google threads where people have made upgrades to the same or similar models. A lot of the time they will list specific parts; and it's always better knowing exactly what will work in your PC.

Honestly though, since you've already built your own PCs, I wouldn't waste money on upgrading the HP and would instead reinvest it into new internals. If you've already built your own rigs in the past, then you likely already have a lot of the groundwork done in terms of case, PSU, peripherals, etc.

Edited, Jun 30th 2013 11:20am by Aasher
#29 Jun 30 2013 at 10:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank you all for the feed back. It got a little argumentative there at times but I have read all your replies and have decided the best thing to do is build my own computer. I get really impatient waiting to save up my money to build these nice computers that I always go the more expensive and less performance type way.

For all the consol replies.... thats not what im aiming for... I like to play games on beautiful settings, not limited. Don't get me wrong I love to play me some consol games(and the graphics/performance are good) but for WoW, FFXI, FFXIV, LoL, GW2, SC2, CSS, and many others... I like to play without the skips of performance.(i also like the mouse/keyboard for shooter games better anyway).
In my opinion even though I've asked for help and might sound inexperienced b/c of that... PC's outweigh any consol in performance and graphics. You just have to keep upgrading the PC to make it so which is not a bad thing if you know how to budget your money in life.

Once again thank you all.
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