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#27 Jul 02 2013 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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No. People that use the acronym DPS as a noun are fundamentally retarded and need to be reminded of such or beaten with iron pipes until their insides are on the outside. Damage per second is what you do. "Your DPS is 104.63" is the correct way to use the term. "Monk is a DPS" is idiotic. That translates to "Monk is a Damage Per Second." That is wrong. Monk is a job that does damage. It is a dealer of damage. It can do damage per second, but that doesn't make it a DPS. It's simple English. Similarly "You were driving 100 MPH" is correct, and if you say "My car is a MPH" anyone, and everyone, around you should just smack you. Hard. You deserve it.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2013 1:48pm by lolgaxe

In modern mmo world term like DPS is widely used in many other games than WoW aswell. Yes I (and probably most others aswell) know that DPS stands for "damage per second" but people dont think it as "I'm a monk damage per second" but more like just "I'm a monk dps" (yes basicly the same thing but in practice its not). I dont know when the term DPS was first used and I don't even care tbh.

The fact is that somewhere the meanings mixed and nowadays DPS is a common word in many mmos for a character which role is to deal damage.

I really wonder if people who complain about the use of "dps" term have ever played any other mmos than FFXI or FFXIV. If they have I really wonder how they have been able to keep their sanity OR make any friends because most of the people use the term.

Use of a common term doesnt make anyone retarded.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2013 2:02pm by Mekiri
#28 Jul 02 2013 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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The way I see it.

DPS = someone whos job it is to do alot of dps compared to healer/tank but everyone can dps
DD is the same issue.. as a healer I can Deal damage a tank deals damage but what your looking for is someone who does more damage than tank /healer.

If someone shouts " LF1M DD (insert instance)" anyone could fit that role. now "LF1M DPS (insert instance)" anyone can fit that role. It is the definitions that we as gamers put on them that make everyone understand that they mean mnk/arc/thm and not healer or tank. So what really matters is that everyone knows what either dps/dd means using the words have no meaning really.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2013 2:12pm by silverhope
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Use of a common term doesnt make anyone retarded.
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#30 Jul 02 2013 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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#31 Jul 02 2013 at 12:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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DPS is a well-understood term meaning both the amount of damage done over 1 second, and the class or spec that does that as their primary role. Even if the expanded acronym doesn't really make sense in the second case, it's still a correct term because it's well understood. Effective communication doesn't have to be perfect, just effective.

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Similarly "You were driving 100 MPH" is correct, and if you say "My car is a MPH" anyone, and everyone, around you should just smack you. Hard. You deserve it.


Absolutely.. because it should be AN mph. Obviously. Smiley: oyvey
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#32 Jul 02 2013 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Wild troll appeared!

Edit: lolgaxe that is. Made the post bit too late :)

Edited, Jul 2nd 2013 2:16pm by Mekiri
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lolgaxe wrote:
No. People that use the abbreviation DPS as a noun are fundamentally retarded and need to be reminded of such or beaten with iron pipes until their insides are on the outside. Damage per second is what you do. "Your DPS is 104.63" is the correct way to use the term. "Monk is a DPS" is idiotic. That translates to "Monk is a Damage Per Second." That is wrong. Monk is a job that does damage. It is a dealer of damage. It can do damage per second, but that doesn't make it a DPS. It's simple English. Similarly "You were driving 100 MPH" is correct, and if you say "My car is a MPH" anyone, and everyone, around you should just smack you. Hard. You deserve it.

Edited, Jul 2nd 2013 1:56pm by lolgaxe


Do you even DPS, bro?
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#34 Jul 02 2013 at 12:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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DPS is a well-understood term meaning both the amount of damage done over 1 second, and the class or spec that does that as their primary role. Even if the expanded acronym doesn't really make sense in the second case, it's still a correct term because it's well understood. Effective communication doesn't have to be perfect, just effective.

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Similarly "You were driving 100 MPH" is correct, and if you say "My car is a MPH" anyone, and everyone, around you should just smack you. Hard. You deserve it.


Absolutely.. because it should be AN mph. Obviously. Smiley: oyvey


I prefer to think of my car as a "damage dealer."
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#35 Jul 02 2013 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Do you even DPS, bro?


DPS is for people that don't know how to fish!

That being said, one could assume with a name such as lolgaxe he has been performing DPS on mobs since at least 2004. Many a vorpal bunny has tasted the Sturmwind of the mighty lolgaxe.


Edited, Jul 2nd 2013 2:41pm by DamienSScott
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#36 Jul 02 2013 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
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It's just a mutated meaning, like how "rotation" was originally being used for a literal rotation of abilities (Ability A, Ability B, Ability A, Ability B), and then people who don't understand that meaning of "rotation" using it to mean "priority" (Prioritize keeping Ability A on cooldown at all times, then Abilty B, then Ability C, then...) and then people who don't understand EITHER of those to making it mean "maximum DPS" to where "What's your rotation" really means "What do you do to maximize DPS" to them instead. And anyone who understands the first meaning will tend to treat people who use it for the second meaning like morons, and anyone who understands the first OR second meaning will tend to treat the third group like morons.



Edited, Jul 2nd 2013 3:01pm by Ravashack
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It's just a mutated meaning, like how "rotation" was originally being used for a literal rotation of abilities (Ability A, Ability B, Ability A, Ability B), and then people who don't understand that meaning of "rotation" using it to mean "priority" (Prioritize keeping Ability A on cooldown at all times, then Abilty B, then Ability C, then...) and then people who don't understand EITHER of those to making it mean "maximum DPS" to where "What's your rotation" really means "What do you do to maximize DPS" to them instead. And anyone who understands the first meaning will tend to treat people who use it for the second meaning like morons, and anyone who understands the first OR second meaning will tend to treat the third group like morons.


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#38 Jul 02 2013 at 1:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm actually in the process of reading the whole thread on the beta forums and based on the tone of the thread the post was not constructive but well within the tone of the 18 pages of junk I've read so far. You have people calling any terms that people used in WoW retarded and you have a counter that WoW just popularized certain common terms and that Final Fantasy XI players want everything to stay the same.

In terms of my own opinion it doesn't really matter. I use DPS generally but I can use DD if it seems thats the trend. I've played MMORPGs pretty much steady for the last 10 years and I play as many as I can get my hands on. I usually see DPS,Tank, Healer in LFG chat but I also recognize that Final Fantasy's community likes to have their own dynamic to distinguish itself.

Now back to reading this terrible beta forum thread.

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The main beta forums and official forums are full off oversensitive people, if you think it get's silly here sometimes, over there is Insane!
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#40 Jul 02 2013 at 2:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ostia wrote:
The main beta forums and official forums are full off oversensitive people, if you think it get's silly here sometimes, over there is Insane!


Agreed I find very few constructive debates on that forum, which is why I rarely go there. I think the main issue in general is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False-consensus_effect
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#41 Jul 02 2013 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Is it bad that I use toon all the time because I cant spell character half the time.. charactor...charectoer,charactur.. man so many options to mess that one up lol. Toon.. is easy heh.


Yes. That's bad. If you force yourself to use the correct word, you'll surely learn how to spell it. (I doubt anyone cares if you say 'toon' though... just some advice)
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Yes. That's bad. If you force yourself to use the correct word, you'll surely learn how to spell it. (I doubt anyone cares if you say 'toon' though... just some advice)


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#43 Jul 02 2013 at 9:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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He announced the intention to troll. That's flame-baiting at the very least, which is probably against the forum's rules. I doubt his ban had anything to do with the other content of his post.
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Yeah I have to admit, if someone said they were intentionally trolling I'd temp mute them too.
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#45 Jul 03 2013 at 3:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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I hold no animosity towards those who use the term 'toon'. I do however grind my teeth every time I hear it used. I prefer 'avatar' or 'character' or basically anything else. Somehow the term has always reminded me of Who Framed Roger Rabbit. It was possibly released before some on this forum were even born. Oh but it was horrible.
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I hold no animosity towards those who use the term 'toon'. I do however grind my teeth every time I hear it used. I prefer 'avatar' or 'character' or basically anything else. Somehow the term has always reminded me of Who Framed Roger Rabbit. It was possibly released before some on this forum were even born. Oh but it was horrible.

I remember the movie and the NES game.
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kainsilv wrote:
I I hold no animosity towards those who use the term 'toon'. I do however grind my teeth every time I hear it used. I prefer 'avatar' or 'character' or basically anything else. Somehow the term has always reminded me of Who Framed Roger Rabbit. It was possibly released before some on this forum were even born. Oh but it was horrible.


Every time i hear the term avatar i think of this. But then again, I'll take any excuse to think about Felicia Day...
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kainsilv wrote:
I hold no animosity towards those who use the term 'toon'. I do however grind my teeth every time I hear it used. I prefer 'avatar' or 'character' or basically anything else. Somehow the term has always reminded me of Who Framed Roger Rabbit. It was possibly released before some on this forum were even born. Oh but it was horrible.


Woah, woah, woah. Are you saying Who Framed Roger Rabbit was horrible? Them's fightin words.
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#49 Jul 03 2013 at 6:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I've said some **** on the beta forums that makes that look polite... They're really odd about what they deem ban worthy.
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#50 Jul 03 2013 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Let's tell a story about two people.

Two people that have all the same interests. Video games, yes, but specifically video games featuring Japanese art and story telling. They both like playing MMORPG's, and it just so happens they are both playing the some Beta and writing on the same Beta game forum.

These two people are alike in so many ways. They spend all day working and talking with regular people who are not at all interested in video games, and even less interested in the new MMORPG coming out of Japan. So they both sign into the Beta forum to share in discussions with like-minded peers.

Suddenly, one of the two people submits a post with the word "Toon".

Bam. End the world, flip the switch, grab your gun. Who is this person, this, this IMPOSTER that has joined our forum under the pretense of a FF fan? ***** that. Don't they even know the terms we use around here? I MUST TELL THE WORLD HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS!

An impassioned post ensues.

Followed by an equally offended reply, "YOU TALKING TO ME!? I will use the terms I want to use, you shallow minded imbecile!." Not content to just stop there, the post drones on, "Furthermore, now that I know it offends you I shall use it just to irritate you. TOON, TOON, TOONY-TOON-TOON! AND I will dedicate a whole thread to telling the forum my intentions!"

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The reason you really got banned was that the mods have seen this played out before and it's just boring. (Ok, maybe slightly entertaining form a third party point of view.) Really they are hoping you will discuss the game, not other posters' terminology and how you feel about it.

Judging from gaming forums all over the internet, I doubt gamers will ever realize how very much they have in common, and how very little they are different.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2013 11:26am by Gnu
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Your posted message may be considered as a violation. We are currently examining it. .


"The family of Justin Carter, the 19-year old Texas gamer who made offensive Facebook comments that landed him in jail, is working with new urgency to get his $500,000 bail reduced because they say Carter's getting beat up while behind bars."

I would count my blessings, compared to what could have been, or what might be if you don't curb your 'offensive' language usage.

Honestly, I remember as a teen I couldn't keep my thoughts to myself and it got me in hot water. Then, I couldn't keep my responses on the internet to myself and got in trouble.

Now, I've kinda learned to think of the consequences of my actions. Unfortunately, in the heat of the moment, I just don't care, and I get in trouble.

For me, think before you speak, take caution before you hit that send button. Cause you have to play by THEIR rules. Sigh....


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