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#1 Jul 15 2013 at 1:24 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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I know I have mentioned this in other threads but I wanted to make a thread specifically on it.

I have been exploring what I can of the game and I've realized that many of the monsters were just taken from FFXI and added into ARR without even a touch up.

Here's a screenshot where I put the FFXIV monster next to its original FFXI version. http://i.imgur.com/rtZ5Uvx.jpg

As you can see, there is no graphical update and it looks smudged out and hideous. I noticed the same thing with a lot of ARR enemies.

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#2 Jul 15 2013 at 1:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I could never say a bad thing about those crabs, i freakin love that monster, for by boy Courier Carry in the sky mad love for you!!

Ok back to what you where saying, as graphic wise i guess there always room for inprovment. Im really glad they kept the monsters the same, those are the monsters that live in the final fantasy world, and you can relate them to other final fantasy games, just brings more of a realness to the world, for me it does
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#4 Jul 15 2013 at 1:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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I like that many of the mobs have the same graphics used, it seems like an extension of FFXI which holds a very special place for me.
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#5 Jul 15 2013 at 1:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hairspray wrote:
I like that many of the mobs have the same graphics used, it seems like an extension of FFXI which holds a very special place for me.



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Counterpoint: http://oi42.tinypic.com/2wpjzmf.jpg

Lazy Laurence (and by extension the ochu in ARR as a whole) look smoother, more detailed, and updated when compared to their FFXI cousins, the Rafflesia. Interesting since they were only added at Wings of the Goddess as well, which means mid- to late-2000s. So they're not anywhere as old as the crabs.

In any event, I wouldn't call this the fairest of comparisons unless you want to go and break down each individual carry over monster. You're going to probably find a handful on each side, some that look nicer and were given some greater detail, and others that look ... well, the same. Then you factor in animations and moving motion comparisons between the two, and there's a lot more to it than still shots.

I mean I don't disagree about your Bubbly Bernie there. Going off your screenshot I would agree they didn't do the best job porting over everyone's favorite crab. But you'll have to show me more than one example of a lazy job before I start condemning the graphics department as a whole.

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Bubbly Bernie is like a Mooninite, but not nearly as advanced.
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#8 Jul 15 2013 at 2:13 PM Rating: Excellent
I am waiting for the release version to gripe if they just reuse old textures. The fact is that I am willing to bet the PS3 version will have somewhat improved graphics when they can load the hi-rez textures from a disk versus bloating the beta client with that.

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And given the dev team's apparent sense of humour, they may intentionally just leave that skin for Bernie strictly for the lulz.

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#9 Jul 15 2013 at 2:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Only Killua125 could /wrist himself over an homage to a FFXI NM.

If they did update his look to a FFXIV crab, he'd complain it didn't look true to the original.

Edited, Jul 15th 2013 4:37pm by Xoie
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Only Killua125 could /wrist himself over an homage to a FFXI NM.

If they did update his look to a FFXIV crab, he'd complain it didn't look true to the original.

Edited, Jul 15th 2013 4:37pm by Xoie


Seconded. These posts suck...
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#11Killua125, Posted: Jul 15 2013 at 2:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) They could do an homage without reusing stretched out PS2 graphics...
#12 Jul 15 2013 at 2:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hate posting to threads where the OP is arrogant enough to demand discussion in his post.

That being said, they clearly chose to use it for the nostalgia, considering that there are crabs in La Noscea that clearly do not look anything like this. Although if the real intention was to compare the two, he should have used the Thickshell that was kicked off to the side of the picture instead, since they'd actually be the same size instead of the bloated version Bernie is.
#13Killua125, Posted: Jul 15 2013 at 2:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Would you be OK with them reusing the FFXI or FFXII enemies in Final Fantasy XV, same graphics and all?
#14 Jul 15 2013 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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Similar graphics do not equal "monsters were just taken from FFXI and added into ARR without even a touch up". Troll harder please.
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#15 Jul 15 2013 at 3:05 PM Rating: Default
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Teneleven wrote:
Similar graphics do not equal "monsters were just taken from FFXI and added into ARR without even a touch up". Troll harder please.


I'm not "trolling", it's fact.

Some of the enemies are straight ported from FFXI and haven't been altered at all. They are 12 year old graphics.

Edited, Jul 15th 2013 5:05pm by Killua125
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Killua125 wrote:
Teneleven wrote:
Similar graphics do not equal "monsters were just taken from FFXI and added into ARR without even a touch up". Troll harder please.


I'm not "trolling", it's fact.

Some of the enemies are straight ported from FFXI and haven't been altered at all. They are 12 year old graphics.

Are there any other examples of this other than Bubbly Bernie?
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#18 Jul 15 2013 at 3:23 PM Rating: Default
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Ah, Killua logic. How I've missed you so.


What is my logic? All I have posted is that some monsters have been ported from FFXI, which is true.
#19 Jul 15 2013 at 3:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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From what I have seen in FFXIV ARR, yes they do use quite a bit of the models from FFXI but the textures have been updated from what I remember from the 5 years I played FFXI. I am fin with them reusing the old models, I liked them, and I like the fact that they have updated the animations to be smoother and updated the textures. I feel that this breathes new life into these beloved designs. Also, some of the textures used do look (almost) like the exact same texture from FFXI but they have obviously been updated because there is more detail and they are more crisp than the old textures.
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svlyons wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
Teneleven wrote:
Similar graphics do not equal "monsters were just taken from FFXI and added into ARR without even a touch up". Troll harder please.


I'm not "trolling", it's fact.

Some of the enemies are straight ported from FFXI and haven't been altered at all. They are 12 year old graphics.

Are there any other examples of this other than Bubbly Bernie?


They ported Colibri, those Uragnites in Bibiki Bay, the FFXI style red puks, Cactuars in the FFXI style.

They also ported from other games, the bird monsters from FFXII, Lightning's model from FFXIII is more or less the same.

I'm going with what the other poster said, they probably imported FFXI Bubbly Bernie and bloated it up for the lulz. We do have FFXIV style Crabs and they're in La Noscea as Megalocrabs.
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#21 Jul 15 2013 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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Killua125 wrote:
UltKnightGrover wrote:
Ah, Killua logic. How I've missed you so.


What is my logic? All I have posted is that some monsters have been ported from FFXI, which is true.


Making a sweeping generalization that has little to no merits and is put off by your arrogant attitude.

Edited, Jul 15th 2013 2:26pm by UltKnightGrover
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#22Killua125, Posted: Jul 15 2013 at 3:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're just choosing to read my posts that way. I've stated the facts. If you want to interpret it as arrogant then you can.
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Killua125 wrote:
You're just choosing to read my posts that way. I've stated the facts. If you want to interpret it as arrogant then you can.

This game has more FFXI ported enemy models than original ones.



Sweeping generalization #2.

We have Bubbly Bernie style crabs, Colibri, those Uragnites in Bibiki Bay, the FFXI style red puks, Cactuars in the FFXI style. Ooh, and goobbues. Goblins too, Sandworms, Rafflesia (9)

For FFXIV Original Mobs we have: Megalocrabs, rats, FFXIV style puks, aurelias, nannygoats, Humanoids, Zombies, Skeletons (They looked different in XIs), FFXIV style Sahagins, Amal'jaa, Ixal, Kobolds, Moles, Machina, FFXIV style Coeurls, FFXIV style Ifrit, FFXIV style Garuda, FFXIV style Titan, FFXIV style moogles (19)






Edited, Jul 15th 2013 2:40pm by UltKnightGrover

Edited, Jul 15th 2013 2:41pm by UltKnightGrover
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#24 Jul 15 2013 at 3:40 PM Rating: Excellent
The tonberry model from ff8 looks similar to the one from ffx, discuss! Kefka's laugh was re-used in Chrono Trigger for Norstein Bekkler's lab, discuss! The fire effect from King of Dragons was the same as when someone got lit up in Street Fighter 2....who cares!
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#25 Jul 15 2013 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I think its a trade-off from the game. However, this is a minor detail taking into account that the Character creator is 10 times better than the onw in FFXI. Also, Eorzea looks like a beautiful place with really impressive scenarios and places. I play on a PS3 and I think it looks pretty, but after seeing how it looks on PC, well, I can certainly assure that it is nothing compared with FFXI.

Personally, I think it is a minor detail compared to the total gaming outcome. Besides, only FFXI players will notice this and most of us are here to continue the FF MMORPG experience we had from SE over ten years ago. As one of them, I find it rather nostalgic.
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This guy was called Genbu, once.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121217081541/finalfantasy/images/9/96/Adamantoise_2_(FFXI).png

Pugils, Mandragoras, Qiqirns, Behemoths, Apkallu, Carbuncle is ported... my memory isn't great but most of the enemies I came across were FFXI ports.

This guy is in ARR too right? http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090721194158/ffxi/images/d/d3/Gigas_flogger.JPG

I'll have to to think. There are much more.

Edited, Jul 15th 2013 5:52pm by Killua125
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