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#1 Jul 16 2013 at 9:55 AM Rating: Default
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There's some discussion between Japanese users who have discovered that Yoshida may have used RIFT for more than just inspiration.

Besides the obvious similarities with rifts, players are discovering more similarities.

http://i.imgur.com/tklAx43.jpg

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#2 Jul 16 2013 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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Hrmm don't really care I liked the look in rift so I like it here . Its easy to read so why go crazy. The fonts and pictures are different and its the same funded style as wow so IMO it don't matter .
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all those icons and letters are completely different. all your posts seem negitive
#4 Jul 16 2013 at 10:05 AM Rating: Default
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I was just reposting from a Japanese thread labelled "RIFT plagiarization".

It does seem like between all the gameplay elements that are already clearly inspired, Yoshida may have focused more on RIFT than anything else when he was making this game.
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Haha! I guessed who created this thread by looking at the title. I was right. How predictable.
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#7 Jul 16 2013 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Didnt you have a thread yesterday going on about how they "stole" assets from FFXI as well?

Here's the web site for the developers for Rift, go complain to them if you think you have a case:

http://www.trionworlds.com/en/
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Blue for tank, green for heal, red for DPS is not a new or unique convention. Neither are shields, crosses, and swords unique indicators. Nor is an announcement on the screen indicating you've accepted a quest.
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I was just reposting from a Japanese thread labelled "RIFT plagiarization".

It does seem like between all the gameplay elements that are already clearly inspired, Yoshida may have focused more on RIFT than anything else when he was making this game.


Yoshi said straight up that he was using other games for ideas. I dont think its mainly rift because rift took from other games. Its a melting pot of ideas and well thats ok with me because he seemed to take all the good ideas from each game and made them more FF ish.
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#12Killua125, Posted: Jul 16 2013 at 10:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No, they couldn't "steal" from Final Fantasy XI, since that's Square Enix property. I'm sure the team had permission to reuse those assets.
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I just wanted to let you all know that I have a Pending Patent for the word "Quest™" and before you go ahead and use that word, you need to use the superscript ™ afterwards.

Additionally, Dungeon™ is also Patent Pending.
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Killua125 wrote:
since ARR is directly most similar to RIFT than anything else.




wrong but I will tell you to read my comment above..
Fates= a mix of rift + gw2
Quests= basic in mmo's now
Leves= dailys with more freedom so a mix between wow and new ideas
Instances= again standard MMO idea
Crafting/gathering= Mix between most mmos (craft list) with some FF original ideas

If your bent outta shape over fonts and animations than there is little to complain about companys use fonts for a reason there easy to read and have a "mmo look" to them. So no nothing is stolen only ideas used and implemented better than the games they took them from.
#15wrongfeifong, Posted: Jul 16 2013 at 10:35 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ARR is too generic. personally i don't see it going to be any fun for most of the people who seek unique game play.
#16 Jul 16 2013 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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What? No screenshot of the map quest area indicators? Because those are pretty similar to Rift's too.

My feeling here is, if Trion doesn't care, why should I? And they clearly don't, because this isn't exactly new information. I'd actually much rather emulate Rift's interface style than WoW's.
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#17 Jul 16 2013 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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Killua125 wrote:
There's some discussion between Japanese users who have discovered that Yoshida may have used RIFT for more than just inspiration.

Besides the obvious similarities with rifts, players are discovering more similarities.

http://i.imgur.com/tklAx43.jpg

Thoughts?


You seem to have them in short supply.

Your attempts to spoil parades with moisture notwithstanding, you're starting to look desperate.
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#18 Jul 16 2013 at 10:56 AM Rating: Default
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I dunno. I thought it was kind of interesting.

Callinon is right that there are a lot of similarities, but I just hadn't thought to put them side by side and really compare.
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Thoughts?

You seem to have a knack with finding anything and everything wrong with FFXIV:ARR...
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#20 Jul 16 2013 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Killua125, I think I've got you figured out.

You are really a secret SE marketing mole sent to Reverse Psycology us with such constant, preemptive negativity regarding FFXIV that it makes everyone around you want to defend the game in the interest of just being reasonable.
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As much as you people want to deny it, we already knew SE had the team play the other generic MMORPGs out there so obviously everything is going to resemble what's "standard" since that's the goal for FFXIV ARR. So it's not plagiarized, you can simply tell there's really not much creativity that's going into it.

In comparison to 1.0, you can't deny how much better XIV ARR is, but the 2CH thread where this picture was originally posted said it best, SE is playing safe, whch echos what Yoshida has said in interviews during the Japan Expo.
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I'm not sure theres a clearer way of letting people know they have undertaken a task, and how many of what role is required. Even if they decided to go all out and make it look all dazzling and snazzy it would still be the same system under the hood.

I'm a little curious as to what you think they should have done?
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I'm not sure theres a clearer way of letting people know they have undertaken a task, and how many of what role is required. Even if they decided to go all out and make it look all dazzling and snazzy it would still be the same system under the hood.

I'm a little curious as to what you think they should have done?


They could have gone the FFXI route by not notifying the player whatsoever, forcing them to check the quest log after every arbitrary interaction...

...but that's a terrible feature.
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I'm not sure what they should have done. I just would've wanted them to create something of their own. All of ARR was clearly made from just looking at other products, and tweaking it a little bit.

I guess it works for an MMO, but I really hope Naoki Yoshida isn't ever assigned to another Final Fantasy, if he just looks at other games. I want to play games by creators.
#25 Jul 16 2013 at 12:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Killua125 wrote:
I'm not sure what they should have done. I just would've wanted them to create something of their own. All of ARR was clearly made from just looking at other products, and tweaking it a little bit.

I guess it works for an MMO, but I really hope Naoki Yoshida isn't ever assigned to another Final Fantasy, if he just looks at other games. I want to play games by creators.


to be fair to yoshida though, him and his dev team had to work from scratch to make what we see today (of course not EVERYTHING, but a lot of things}. They only had what...2 years? MMO's are huge projects. I would have thought it would have taken more time to get this game back up again.

Give that man a reasonable time period for development and i'm sure he would make great things.
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There's probably some fair use of general words out there in copyright world. Even if "Quest Accepted" was taboo, what you use in its place? Task Confirmed? Questing just feels more psychologically pleasing to people looking for a fantasy escape, I think. But yeah, others have touched on things done by other games, artists being thieves, etc..

Gonna go copyright Bacon. Come at me, bro.
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#28 Jul 16 2013 at 12:18 PM Rating: Default
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I think it's about the presentation, not the wording.
#29 Jul 16 2013 at 12:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Killua125 wrote:
I'm not sure what they should have done. I just would've wanted them to create something of their own.


They did its called ffxiv .. and we all know how that went. So they went main stream took the features people liked the most from other games and turned 1.0 into a playable game that a lot enjoy . Even in a few expansions they have told us to look for new and exciting things and I can't wait :)
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There's probably some fair use of general words out there in copyright world. Even if "Quest Accepted" was taboo, what you use in its place? Task Confirmed? Questing just feels more psychologically pleasing to people looking for a fantasy escape, I think. But yeah, others have touched on things done by other games, artists being thieves, etc..

Gonna go copyright Bacon. Come at me, bro.


"Kwehst Kwehfirmed?" A chocobo could pop up on your screen to tell you. For Duty Finder, you could have different colored chocobos to represent different roles.
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FFXVI stole from Rift, Rift stole from Warhammer, Warhammer stole from WoW, WoW stole from EQ, EQ stole from your mom, your mom stole from Jose'.

So everything is copied from Jose.

Case Closed.
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#32 Jul 16 2013 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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So what you're saying is...

This MMO stole an MMO's useful system, who stole it from other MMO's, and combined it with other useful systems from MMO's, to make the system more useful overall?

I'm shocked! What blasphemy! Smiley: rolleyes
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How is it better than what RIFT has? It just seems like the same thing to me.

People always say A Realm Reborn copies things and makes them better. But I'm just seeing the copying part.
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Rift stole heavily from WoW. WoW stole FFXI's auction house. FFXI stole heavily from EQ. EQ stole from UO. UO stole from MUDs. MUDs stole from D&D. D&D stole from 20th century Fantasy fiction. 20th century Fantasy fiction stole from Tolkien. Tolkien stole from European fairy tales. European fairy tales stole from Roman mythology. Roman mythology stole heavily from Greek mythology...


Just how far back do you want to take this?
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Seriha wrote:
Even if "Quest Accepted" was taboo, what you use in its place? Task Confirmed?
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#36Killua125, Posted: Jul 16 2013 at 12:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well... reusing mechanics from popular games and flat out copying their presentation/fonts/icons with slight tweaks is a little different. I think you know that. Keep deflecting.
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Killua125 wrote:
How is it better than what RIFT has? It just seems like the same thing to me.

People always say A Realm Reborn copies things and makes them better. But I'm just seeing the copying part.


Where did I say this? Smiley: lol

I said it used LFG with other systems from other games, to make its (FFXIV's) system more useful overall.

Also, the icon's are barely the same, but they don't vary that differently from WoW's setup either. This is so minor, why would you even care? It's a Looking for Group tool, how else do you want them to do it? Why would you want to over-complicate a simple and working system?

Edited, Jul 16th 2013 2:16pm by Ryklin
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Killua125 wrote:
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Rift stole heavily from WoW. WoW stole FFXI's auction house. FFXI stole heavily from EQ. EQ stole from UO. UO stole from MUDs. MUDs stole from D&D. D&D stole from 20th century Fantasy fiction. 20th century Fantasy fiction stole from Tolkien. Tolkien stole from European fairy tales. European fairy tales stole from Roman mythology. Roman mythology stole heavily from Greek mythology...


Just how far back do you want to take this?


Well... reusing mechanics from popular games and flat out copying their presentation/fonts/icons with slight tweaks is a little different. I think you know that. Keep deflecting.


I think if Activision hasn't sued Trion out of existence over Rift's blatant copying of WoW, FFXIV has nothing to worry about from Trion over a similar "Ta-Da!" on accepting a quest. Smiley: rolleyes

Troll harder.
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You know, for someone who can't stop blasting Square-Enix for wantonly reusing everything, you sure seem to have a lot of trouble coming up with new material.
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Killua125 wrote:
How is it better than what RIFT has? It just seems like the same thing to me.

People always say A Realm Reborn copies things and makes them better. But I'm just seeing the copying part.


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Killua125 wrote:
There's some discussion between Japanese users who have discovered that Yoshida may have used RIFT for more than just inspiration.

Besides the obvious similarities with rifts, players are discovering more similarities.

http://i.imgur.com/tklAx43.jpg

Thoughts?


I don't know anything about Rift to be honest, but isn't it just a F2P rip off of WoW? It looks like to me they ripped an entire game off, Yoshi ripped off a little screen for Duty Finder... they'll get over it.

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Killua125 wrote:
There's some discussion between Japanese users who have discovered that Yoshida may have used RIFT for more than just inspiration.

Besides the obvious similarities with rifts, players are discovering more similarities.

http://i.imgur.com/tklAx43.jpg

Thoughts?


I don't know anything about Rift to be honest, but isn't it just a F2P rip off of WoW? It looks like to me they ripped an entire game off, Yoshi ripped off a little screen for Duty Finder... they'll get over it.



Rift definitely has some good points. I hear the class system's flexibility is a strong point. I didn't play it for long, but it wasn't bad.
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I could care less if they used some good ideas from other games to make this one better... I am so thrilled to have FFXIV turning out as good as it is, especially after buying 2 PS3's in 2010 and sitting and waiting for it to launch... I am happy they did this... the game is awesome so far and I can't wait to play again!

Why would you even start a thread like this?

Who really cares if the verbiage "Quest Accepted" is the same?

Duty Finder is a standard queue system that other MMO's use, I don't know who create the first one but I saw it first in DCUO, and I complained constantly to them that they didn't pair it with a LFG system like FFXI had... now we have both and it seems perfect to me!
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Killua125 wrote:
There's some discussion between Japanese users who have discovered that Yoshida may have used RIFT for more than just inspiration.

Besides the obvious similarities with rifts, players are discovering more similarities.

http://i.imgur.com/tklAx43.jpg

Thoughts?


You're an Apple lawyer aren't you?

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#46 Jul 16 2013 at 4:54 PM Rating: Good
If I was the Red Cross, I'd be ****** right now, altering the colors of their logo like that. These threads are starting to get beyond ridiculous. What's next, plagiarization from the world of Tolkien since the elves look similar?!
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If I was the Red Cross, I'd be ****** right now, altering the colors of their logo like that. These threads are starting to get beyond ridiculous. What's next, plagiarization from the world of Tolkien since the elves look similar?!


Fun related fact.

A game called Earthbound had to change the logo over hospitals in game when it made it's US localization for fear of copyright infringment on the red cross logo.

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Why do ppl continue to feed this troll..if post is started by this fool move on.
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Killua125, I think I've got you figured out.

You are really a secret SE marketing mole sent to Reverse Psycology us with such constant, preemptive negativity regarding FFXIV that it makes everyone around you want to defend the game in the interest of just being reasonable.


THIS! THIS! A MILLION TIMES THIS! Smiley: lolSmiley: grin
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We keep going over and over and over this... Innovation is not always a reinvention the wheel. More often than not it is a simplification or streamlining of an existing process to make it more efficient. The same could be said of great video games. Video games are at the level they are today because of their predecessors not in spite of them. You could say the same about any video game on the market if you look back through history.
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Killua125 wrote:
There's some discussion between Japanese users who have discovered that Yoshida may have used RIFT for more than just inspiration.

Besides the obvious similarities with rifts, players are discovering more similarities.

http://i.imgur.com/tklAx43.jpg

Thoughts?


There should have been talk on the ZAM forums about how Killua125 has borrowed heavily from other posts from other forums.

Because of the obviously obnoxious and negative tones in these posts which are clearly not his own thoughts, one has to wonder if he has any original thoughts of his own or has he stolen them all from other sources.

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=137399014589885751

Thoughts?

Edited, Jul 16th 2013 8:56pm by princessary
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