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#1 Jul 19 2013 at 12:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I had meant to make this it's own topic before and I posted it in another thread by mistake.

Anyways, I only noticed Tank, Healer, DPS in the queue for Duty Finder.

I know BLM does some crowd-control, but is primarily a DPS...
and LNC does "Slow" and "Stun" moves, but is defnitely melee DPS.
ARC can "Bind" mobs for some crowd-control too but is primarily a DPS.

Is there a real "Support" role in this game?

Will BRD, RDM and DNC if/when they implement all of them, be primarily DPS with some support abilities too? Or is there going to be a support role added at some point?

Sorry if this topic has been beaten to death already, I couldn't find any similar topics when searching the forum regarding support roles/jobs in FFXIV.
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#2 Jul 19 2013 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
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Bard will be like a primary DPS with support functions
Scholar will be like a support healer
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#3 Jul 19 2013 at 12:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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I had meant to make this it's own topic before and I posted it in another thread by mistake.

Anyways, I only noticed Tank, Healer, DPS in the queue for Duty Finder.

I know BLM does some crowd-control, but is primarily a DPS...
and LNC does "Slow" and "Stun" moves, but is defnitely melee DPS.
ARC can "Bind" mobs for some crowd-control too but is primarily a DPS.

Is there a real "Support" role in this game?

Will BRD, RDM and DNC if/when they implement all of them, be primarily DPS with some support abilities too? Or is there going to be a support role added at some point?

Sorry if this topic has been beaten to death already, I couldn't find any similar topics when searching the forum regarding support roles/jobs in FFXIV.


Since I replied in the other thread, I decided I would elaborate a bit more here. With the way the game is currently set up, I don't think SE plans on adding a pure support class. With four man parties, pure support classes don't really fit as nicely as they should. Instead, we have at least one DPS/support hybrid.

BRD is a class that acts primarily as a ranged DPS. They pick up an additional attack over ARC along with three songs and a song amplifier. The songs give the class a support feel, but the MP drainage prevents them from being a staple to the class. As such, you end up with a DPS that can provide situational support.

SCH and SMN could likely fall into the same sort of situation. With pets in play, they are going to be expected to be able to do more than just heal and deal damage. In order to keep balance, their extras will likely have some limits put into place. I don't think they will behave the way BRD does, but I do think they are going end up with some restrictions.

Edited, Jul 19th 2013 2:27pm by FrozenSherbet
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#4 Jul 19 2013 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Bard will be like a primary DPS with support functions
Scholar will be like a support healer


Cool, thanks for the info.

I thought about it while using Duty Finder the other day... every MMO I've played has had a support role for buffs/debuffs.

This one seems to be giving DPS's more to do, which is cool... but if Duty Finder is going to use half of the slots for DPS, and is not going to choose members based on who can do whichever buffs/debuffs... then it's going to be difficult for it to make a well-rounded party without first making your own group... which in turn makes the Duty Finder obsolete for anything above the difficulty of the first few 4-person dungeons.
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#5 Jul 19 2013 at 12:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think you're overestimating how difficult the 4-man content is supposed to be. For end game content you'll get 8 people and have to incorporate strategy (at least more so than the 4 man content.) With 8 you'll have more flexibility with who brings what to the table.

But yes, it seems that they will stick to the "dps with support abilities" model rather than having straight support,
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#6 Jul 19 2013 at 12:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think you're overestimating how difficult the 4-man content is supposed to be. For end game content you'll get 8 people and have to incorporate strategy (at least more so than the 4 man content.) With 8 you'll have more flexibility with who brings what to the table.

But yes, it seems that they will stick to the "dps with support abilities" model rather than having straight support,


You know what, it's kind of genius if you think about it... they took the role that had the most invites in FFXI for parties and merged it with the role that go the least invites, making DPS even more attractive to play.

I'm psyched about DRG even more now, I wonder which buffs/debuffs I'll get with it...

Can you use the buffs/debuffs you learn on other jobs on your main job?

I heard you can use some powers, so I imagine so. That would be cool.
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#7 Jul 19 2013 at 12:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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they took the role that had the most invites in FFXI for parties and merged it with the role that go the least invites,
They merged Red Mage with Red Mage?
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#8 Jul 19 2013 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know the full extent, but yes you can. I had protect and stoneskin on my THM for instance.
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#9 Jul 19 2013 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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The thing I find weird is that BRD and Archer are DPS roles, but have the Healer LB. Dose BRD heal any better than an Archer casting Cures?
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Nope, I think they're using very broad strokes for 'role'. Basically I think they just wanted to spread out the LBs more.

Tank - PLD / WAR
Heal - WHM / SCH / BRD
Single Target - DRG / MNK
AoE - BLM / SMN (assuming)

When they inevitably release Ranger, I'm sure that will get one of the DPS slots for their LB.
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Anakte wrote:
Nope, I think they're using very broad strokes for 'role'. Basically I think they just wanted to spread out the LBs more.

Tank - PLD / WAR
Heal - WHM / SCH / BRD
Single Target - DRG / MNK
AoE - BLM / SMN (assuming)

When they inevitably release Ranger, I'm sure that will get one of the DPS slots for their LB.


LB?
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#12 Jul 19 2013 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
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There are no support roles just tank dps and heals
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Bard is a support with some DPS capabilities in ARR. In FFXIV 1.0 it was a DPS with some support capabilities. You sacrifice some damage to support the parties output.
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Hairspray wrote:
Anakte wrote:
I think you're overestimating how difficult the 4-man content is supposed to be. For end game content you'll get 8 people and have to incorporate strategy (at least more so than the 4 man content.) With 8 you'll have more flexibility with who brings what to the table.

But yes, it seems that they will stick to the "dps with support abilities" model rather than having straight support,


You know what, it's kind of genius if you think about it... they took the role that had the most invites in FFXI for parties and merged it with the role that go the least invites, making DPS even more attractive to play.

I'm psyched about DRG even more now, I wonder which buffs/debuffs I'll get with it...

Can you use the buffs/debuffs you learn on other jobs on your main job?

I heard you can use some powers, so I imagine so. That would be cool.


If you want to look at DRG's abilities, this page of xivdb.com should help you out. You can use some of the buffs/debuffs of other classes, but it depends on what's available. You can head here to check that out.
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#15 Jul 19 2013 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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FrozenSherbet wrote:
Hairspray wrote:
Anakte wrote:
I think you're overestimating how difficult the 4-man content is supposed to be. For end game content you'll get 8 people and have to incorporate strategy (at least more so than the 4 man content.) With 8 you'll have more flexibility with who brings what to the table.

But yes, it seems that they will stick to the "dps with support abilities" model rather than having straight support,


You know what, it's kind of genius if you think about it... they took the role that had the most invites in FFXI for parties and merged it with the role that go the least invites, making DPS even more attractive to play.

I'm psyched about DRG even more now, I wonder which buffs/debuffs I'll get with it...

Can you use the buffs/debuffs you learn on other jobs on your main job?

I heard you can use some powers, so I imagine so. That would be cool.


If you want to look at DRG's abilities, this page of xivdb.com should help you out. You can use some of the buffs/debuffs of other classes, but it depends on what's available. You can head here to check that out.


Wow great info, thanks for posting this!
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#16 Jul 19 2013 at 1:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hairspray wrote:
they took the role that had the most invites in FFXI for parties and merged it with the role that go the least invites,
They merged Red Mage with Red Mage?


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#17 Jul 19 2013 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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LB?

Limit Break

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I lol'd.
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Hyrist wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Hairspray wrote:
they took the role that had the most invites in FFXI for parties and merged it with the role that go the least invites,
They merged Red Mage with Red Mage?


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Classic!
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#19 Jul 19 2013 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Anakte wrote:
Hairspray wrote:
LB?

Limit Break



Thanks! I had heard all of the abbreviations before except LB, it's not a carry over from FFXI, but I think I remember it from older FF games.

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Hairspray wrote:
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LB?

Limit Break

Thanks! I had heard all of the abbreviations before except LB, it's not a carry over from FFXI, but I think I remember it from older FF games.

Edited, Jul 19th 2013 3:49pm by Hairspray

I wonder how many former FFXI will get confused and think that we're talking about Genkai when referring to Limit Break.
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Anakte wrote:
Nope, I think they're using very broad strokes for 'role'. Basically I think they just wanted to spread out the LBs more.

Tank - PLD / WAR
Heal - WHM / SCH / BRD
Single Target - DRG / MNK
AoE - BLM / SMN (assuming)

When they inevitably release Ranger, I'm sure that will get one of the DPS slots for their LB.

Edit ohh Limit Break my bad.

Edited, Jul 19th 2013 4:49pm by Mopdaddy
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I don't think a bard is able to heal dungeon parties.


I don't think that is what he was saying here, simply categorizing the jobs and which LB they can use. BRD's LB is the healer LB.
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#23 Jul 19 2013 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh Limit Break...
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I don't think a bard is able to heal dungeon parties.


I don't think that is what he was saying here, simply categorizing the jobs and which LB they can use. BRD's LB is the healer LB.



I'm curious as to where that info is posted, or is this just speculation?
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While I can't confirm it myself (just started on the PS3 beta and didn't get around to jobs yet) it has been posted above in this thread that not only BRD but also ARC have the healer LB.
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Canadensis wrote:
While I can't confirm it myself (just started on the PS3 beta and didn't get around to jobs yet) it has been posted above in this thread that not only BRD but also ARC have the healer LB.


ARC definitely does. Using it was probably my biggest "Huh?" moment of the beta. As far as BRD goes, hopefully there's a legacy member here that can verify it.
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