Two of my best friends from FFXI pretty much ruined their high school and college social lives because of FFXI. To this day, one of them refuses to ever play another MMORPG because of the setback FFXI put him in. He didn't understand how to communicate in the real world and he basically missed out on the entire college experience because he was too shy to even initiate conversations with people.
I'm not saying this to try and justify making games easier, I'm saying this to give examples of what an overly hardcore game can do to people. Trust me, I'm all for hardcore content that is extremely challenging, and I honestly wouldn't even mind if there were things in the games similar to the relic weapons of FFXI that took an incredible amount of time to get, as long as it could be done in small doses. What I'm not interested in are the 24-72 hour HNMs where you have to be basically glued to your screen for 3-4 hours every day in hopes of getting claim, or 12-24 hours sitting during a spawn window so that your LS can get there first (hi2u Tiamat). Or the 8 hour sky runs to try and get full popsets for ONE chance to spawn a God. I missed so many social events myself because I was "too busy" waiting for a mob to spawn, or having my life scheduled around our linkshells events.
If there are people who still want that, so be it. They can form their own free companies and go grind away on whatever hard content is available. I just know there are also a lot of people who don't want that anymore. I'm truly hopeful the game caters to both types of players. I'm not trying to be conceded and say that my playstyle is the only one that matters. I want something to make everyone happy, and I honestly believe that Yoshi is the type of producer that will accomplish this. The argument goes both ways, let's just wait and see what actually happens in game before getting out our pitchforks.
I have a friend who will also never play FFXIV or any other MMO again for that matter, because of what FFXI did to him.. he lost his job, and his wife came within a hair of leaving him over it...
FFXI was too much hardcore. HNM camping was just ridiculous... I'll personally not be going the hardcore route ever again...
I'm getting married and my fiance plays with me... so we'll not be doing any HNM for sure. Maybe some raids and other content that can be done in a short amount of time... but no 72 hour camps, or 8 hour sky/sea runs...
Bartel I couldn't have said it better myself.
I just love how people continue to mention HNM camping only as the basis for everything that is hardcore, and to other quoted person albeit I feel bad for your friend you described the game was not like that for everyone. Stuff like relic and HNM were in the game but guess what.........they were not mandatory at all. I rarely bothered to camp HNM stuff myself and I played for over 6 years.
I also played FF11 in small doses and about as much as any other mmorpg, only exception was that I had millions of things to do throughout all levels and was never.....and i repeat this once more NEVER EVER pressured to hit level cap to "start the real game" as many other mmorpg have done after WoW.
did people ever forget there was stuff like:
Abyssea • ANNM • Assault • Bastion • BCNM • Campaign Battles • Campaign Ops • Delve • Dynamis • ENM • Einherjar • Fields of Valor • ISNM • Legion • Limbus • Meeble Burrows • Moblin Maze Mongers • Reive • Salvage • Skirmish • Voidwatch • ZNM
Missions • Quests • Besieged • Campaign Adventuring Fellow • Ballista • Brenner • Chocobo Raising • Chocobo Racing • Reputation • Hobbies • Guides • Pankration • Trial of the Magians
-leveling skills, leveling crafting, exploration
what we ex-ff11 players really want is a adventure(which should not be completed in 1-3 days) and not a single player mmorpg or hand me downs.
to name a few only by the way HNM were not mandatory and end all be all. They were there for whoever wanted to do them and all the power tot hem but not mandatory to the game.
P.S- some of my most memorable moments in ff11 were in xp parties and socializing in game. Also roaming around real live world and being scared of my enviroment. I want a leveling experience not a endgame bum rush one.( one of the many reasons i refused to play WoW when i played ff11) Edited, Aug 7th 2013 4:43pm by KingAlkaiser Edited, Aug 7th 2013 4:45pm by KingAlkaiser Edited, Aug 7th 2013 4:49pm by KingAlkaiser