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#1 Aug 07 2013 at 1:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Okay i was just reading a guide on another site... and the guy says that you will not actually level the advanced jobs like PLD, MNK, BLM, etc...

You just put on the soul stone to become that job... does that mean we will be the same job level for our class as we are for the advanced job automatically?

So if I'm a 42 DRG, does that mean I'm a 42 LNC too?

Just wondering.

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Think of a job as more of a class specialization, rather than an class in itself. Unlike classes, jobs do not gain levels. Instead, you equip a job via a soul crystal obtained from a quest obtained once you meet the class requirements for that job. When you equip a job, you gain bonus stats and unique abilities for that job. However, the job also restricts your cross-class sharing by limiting you to two classes (based on the job) and cutting the amount of cross-class ability slots you have available in half.
#2 Aug 07 2013 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes it does. As long as you have done the job quest and have the pre-required classes at level 30 and 15 your progress as a job is the same as the corresponding class.

Edited, Aug 8th 2013 5:20am by EdyNOTB
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#3 Aug 07 2013 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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What iv read and understand yes it will be the same level. Like 90% sure lol
#4 Aug 07 2013 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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The slippery slope is when you are in Legacy and are a level 50 BLM. Will it turn you into Level 50 THM and then you'll have to level the subclass before you become blm?

That and many more mysteries to be solved shortly.
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#5 Aug 07 2013 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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Hairspray wrote:
You just put on the soul stone to become that job... does that mean we will be the same job level for our class as we are for the advanced job automatically?

So if I'm a 42 DRG, does that mean I'm a 42 LNC too?


Yep. The way I was able to wrap my head around it is to think of the class as any normal class from another game, and jobs as skill trees in that class. They offer customization on the class, and certain benefits, and give you different options. For instance, arcanist branches into both scholar and summoner. Scholar is your healing tree, summoner is your damage tree. So when you level arcanist, both those jobs level as well, much as the skill trees are all attached to your class in other games, and you don't have to re-level your class to unlock a different skill tree.

Does that make any sense?
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#6 Aug 07 2013 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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BartelX wrote:
Hairspray wrote:
You just put on the soul stone to become that job... does that mean we will be the same job level for our class as we are for the advanced job automatically?

So if I'm a 42 DRG, does that mean I'm a 42 LNC too?


Yep. The way I was able to wrap my head around it is to think of the class as any normal class from another game, and jobs as skill trees in that class. They offer customization on the class, and certain benefits, and give you different options. For instance, arcanist branches into both scholar and summoner. Scholar is your healing tree, summoner is your damage tree. So when you level arcanist, both those jobs level as well, much as the skill trees are all attached to your class in other games, and you don't have to re-level your class to unlock a different skill tree.

Does that make any sense?


Okay so a 42 Scholar would also be a 42 Summoner then, assuming they have the soul stone for both?
#7 Aug 07 2013 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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You can also level the "JOB" which will translate to the "CLASS" being leveled.

I strap on... my BRD stone, level from 40 to 45, take off the BRD Stone, I am now level 45 RNG, where before I was a 40 RNG.
#8 Aug 07 2013 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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WFOAssassin wrote:
You can also level the "JOB" which will translate to the "CLASS" being leveled.

I strap on... my BRD stone, level from 40 to 45, take off the BRD Stone, I am now level 45 RNG, where before I was a 40 RNG.


Wow, how the heck did I not know this before?!?!?!
#9 Aug 07 2013 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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Hairspray wrote:
BartelX wrote:
Hairspray wrote:
You just put on the soul stone to become that job... does that mean we will be the same job level for our class as we are for the advanced job automatically?

So if I'm a 42 DRG, does that mean I'm a 42 LNC too?


Yep. The way I was able to wrap my head around it is to think of the class as any normal class from another game, and jobs as skill trees in that class. They offer customization on the class, and certain benefits, and give you different options. For instance, arcanist branches into both scholar and summoner. Scholar is your healing tree, summoner is your damage tree. So when you level arcanist, both those jobs level as well, much as the skill trees are all attached to your class in other games, and you don't have to re-level your class to unlock a different skill tree.

Does that make any sense?


Okay so a 42 Scholar would also be a 42 Summoner then, assuming they have the soul stone for both?


Yes.
#10 Aug 07 2013 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Not sure how I feel about this.... wouldn't that process hinder the players ability to 'learn' the job?
#11 Aug 07 2013 at 5:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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chomama wrote:
Not sure how I feel about this.... wouldn't that process hinder the players ability to 'learn' the job?


A 'job' is basically the class with a more restricted cross-class list and up to 5 of its cross-class slots taken by the job abilities. There's really not much to expect to learn there. The only exception I can think of might be Arcanist because of how Scholar and Summoner have different summons, and even then...
#12 Aug 07 2013 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I was thinking it would be like FFXI was. You level to Lancer 30 / Pugilist 15 and unlock Dragoon which will be level 1 again. So, this means you will be able to level classes up pretty quickly. I thought you would have to level each one individually.
#13 Aug 07 2013 at 5:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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chomama wrote:
Not sure how I feel about this.... wouldn't that process hinder the players ability to 'learn' the job?


You still have to go through separate quests for each of the 5 job specific skills. So that can be your learning process. Once you've leveled something 1-50, do you really need another 30-50 leveling process just to learn when to use an extra skill or 2?

I agree that it feels weird to have lv50 jobs instantly by just equipping job stones, but oh well. Wish they would just get rid of classes and let us level jobs from the beginning cause I don't think the jobs really are all that different from their base class. Although once(if) they raise the level cap, maybe they'll be able to distinguish them more.
#14 Aug 07 2013 at 5:14 PM Rating: Excellent
chomama wrote:
Not sure how I feel about this.... wouldn't that process hinder the players ability to 'learn' the job?


How about the scores of 1.0 players with 50 classes that are going to unlock specialty jobs after doing a single quest? I can't help but feel as if I would learn how to play all the classes and jobs better if I learned the skills 1 by 1 while leveling.

I definitely know what you are saying and I think it is a valid concern. Let's just assume everyone is a noob at ARR for the first few weeks, regardless of level.
#15 Aug 07 2013 at 5:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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You still have to go through separate quests for each of the 5 job specific skills.


Oh? So in a way you do learn skills 1 by 1 even after unlocking the job. That's cool.
#16 Aug 07 2013 at 5:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Arjuncorpse wrote:

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I agree that it feels weird to have lv50 jobs instantly by just equipping job stones, but oh well. Wish they would just get rid of classes and let us level jobs from the beginning cause I don't think the jobs really are all that different from their base class. Although once(if) they raise the level cap, maybe they'll be able to distinguish them more.


On the other hand, it does allow the option of creating jobs that have a core set of abilities that are the same without having it be completely redundant.

For example, if they don't put THF with GLA (because of the heavy armor), it would go into a class that would let you branch off into THF and DNC, most likely, or maybe even NIN. (...Actually, that would be a pretty reasonable grouping considering DNC and NIN natively dual wielded in XI anyway...)


Edit: Would probably help if I put in the quote I'm responding to, with new posts springing up suddenly Smiley: lol

Edited, Aug 7th 2013 7:25pm by Ravashack
#17 Aug 07 2013 at 5:39 PM Rating: Good
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Great responses guys. Thanks. Guess we shall see at launch/p4?
#18 Aug 07 2013 at 5:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Grandmomma wrote:
The slippery slope is when you are in Legacy and are a level 50 BLM. Will it turn you into Level 50 THM and then you'll have to level the subclass before you become blm?

That and many more mysteries to be solved shortly.


I'm not sure what you mean by this. They wont take away your ability to be a BLM. You wont have to re-unlock it. Those of us who already have the job stone will have access to it after the initial introductory quest. There were "subclasses" in 1.0 as well. We had to level both the base class to 30 and then a different class to 15. This new "other" class is not a new thing.

chomama wrote:
Not sure how I feel about this.... wouldn't that process hinder the players ability to 'learn' the job?


I wouldn't think of the jobs as a completely different entity. They are more of an upgrade to the basic class in which they are based off. For example take gladiator. He's more inclined for defensive and tanking roles in a generic basic way. His skills learn more for this and so you learn how to be a gladiator all the way up to 30+. Then you get the other class leveled and you complete the quest to unlock paladin. Once you equip that job stone, you'll become a paladin, which is basically an upgraded version of gladiator. It is even more geared toward tanking and defensive abilities and it does an even better job of it than gladiator does. It's like going from the stone age to the bronze age. We can do basically the same stuff with bronze as we could with stones, only bronze does it better plus you can do other things with it.

Jobs are basically leveled up by completing the job quest line. After each quest you finish, you'll learn a new ability and/or get a new piece of AF armor.
#19 Aug 07 2013 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
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I had no idea this was how the leveling would be. So if you have everything unlocked and you level up to cap, you really have all jobs @ level and just need to equip the "stone"?


So a way to get my mind around this. You only level up once, and as long as you have the stone via the job quest then you level that job. So if I had 3 jobs/classes unlocked and had their respected stone I would just level up WHM and BRD and SMN would also level?

Edited, Aug 7th 2013 7:57pm by HaibaneRenmei
#20 Aug 07 2013 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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Only the last jobs that was added gives you an automatic 50 if you have other jobs high enough that unlock the job quest. My lancer was lv 50 already and started the Dragoon quest, he soloed the 3 quest before they got hard an I lost interest and went back to the main story. I didn't see any ground breaking reason "story wise" to unlock the jobs unless it's for achievements or to wear new clothes. All I remember is my Dragoon would need a healer to fight multiple mobs close to his level...things that my Lancer wiped the floor with solo.
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#21 Aug 07 2013 at 6:33 PM Rating: Excellent
Your job is your stance of your class.

In 1.0, when you leveled Paladin it literally said on the EXP bar "Paladin - (Gladiator Level 50)".

Jobs are a stance of your class that allow you to have more specialized abilities for your class for party play at the expense of being able to cross class. As a Warrior, you can't cast Cure like a Marauder but you get better abilities to hold hate for your job in a large party.

It's not like Final Fantasy XI. FFXI had each job be useful even at the endgame level. A Warrior is clearly better than a Marauder for endgame content where a Marauder is better for soloing and small four man content where roles aren't so rigidly defined.

In "A Realm Reborn", if you made progress on your jobs or unlocked them in 1.0, you are grandfathered in and can still use all your jobs, abilities you've learned from 1.0's version of the job quests, and AF you've gotten, even though they've rebooted all quests for all players.

People have brought up the argument: "So I just equip the job stone and that's it, huh?"

No.

Each job requires 5 quests. As of 1.0, all job quests grant abilities, one gets you your AF from treasure chests, and last quest has a final boss battle that really emphasizes on the mechanics of how to play your job.

Not to mention you need to level cross classes ala FFXI subjobs in order to maximize your job's potential.

(What shares the same level)
Gladiator-Paladin
Marauder-Warrior
Thaumaturge-Black Mage
Conjurer-White Mage
Archer-Bard
Pugilist-Monk
Lancer-Dragoon
Arcanist-Summoner-Scholar

Edited, Aug 7th 2013 5:38pm by UltKnightGrover
#22 Aug 07 2013 at 7:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ok can you explain how it would work for me, someone who isn't a legacy player and starting out new and wanting to level a Whitemage for example.

Please and thank you.
#23 Aug 07 2013 at 7:24 PM Rating: Good
Start as Conjurer and level it to 30.
#24 Aug 07 2013 at 7:30 PM Rating: Good
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UltKnightGrover wrote:
Start as Conjurer and level it to 30.



I mean the whole system we are discussing.

Does Whitemage start out @ Lv. 1?

so you are saying once my WHM gets to Lv.50 then Conjurer will be 50?... etc

Edited, Aug 7th 2013 9:31pm by HaibaneRenmei
#25 Aug 07 2013 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
UltKnightGrover wrote:
Start as Conjurer and level it to 30.



I mean the whole system we are discussing.


Level a conjurer to 30. Then level a gladiator to 15. Then do the quest to unlock whm. Once you unlock whm, it will start at level 30. Then, you can level either whm OR conjurer from 30-50, and both class and job will gain levels concurrently.
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#26 Aug 07 2013 at 7:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
UltKnightGrover wrote:
Start as Conjurer and level it to 30.



I mean the whole system we are discussing.

Does Whitemage start out @ Lv. 1?

so you are saying once my WHM gets to Lv.50 then Conjurer will be 50?... etc

Edited, Aug 7th 2013 9:31pm by HaibaneRenmei


Your WHM level is irrelevant.

It's whatever your CNJ level is.

Ignore the fact that it has a level or you will just spend a lot of time confusing yourself.
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