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#1 Aug 08 2013 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Seems some people on the beta forums are upset about the new state of Fishing... The rants start here.

What do you guys think about the changes? Picking bait/lure depending on the water, and just casting the rod and waiting for a fish to bite.
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#2 Aug 08 2013 at 9:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds like fishing to me Smiley: laugh
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#3 Aug 08 2013 at 9:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yep. I think the 1.x Fishers are upset because they actually enjoyed the mini-game involved. The people who are angry think that Fishing needs to be more about relaxing and gaining achievements. Yoshi's claims about this class not affecting the economy are curious as well. Won't it affect Culinarian, which of course affects the economy? Or will fish just not be available for sale on the Market Wards? Strange.
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#4 Aug 08 2013 at 9:24 AM Rating: Default
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Yep. I think the 1.x Fishers are upset because they actually enjoyed the mini-game involved. The people who are angry think that Fishing needs to be more about relaxing and gaining achievements. Yoshi's claims about this class not affecting the economy are curious as well. Won't it affect Culinarian, which of course affects the economy? Or will fish just not be available for sale on the Market Wards? Strange.

It willl affect the economy, but no more than mining or harvesting.
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It's perfectly fine with me. Trying to make myself go fishing in 1.0 was like pulling healthy teeth out with a plastic wrench made by playskool. It was the lowest of all of my classes. Now that it wont have any effect whatsoever, I'm perfectly fine with completely ignoring it. It simply was not my cup of tea.
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#6 Aug 08 2013 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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I'm very curious about the statement that fishing will not affect the economy. I don't see how that statement can be entirely accurate without precluding the use of caught fish in crafting; otherwise, they would be ingredients in sellable products. I assumed that I would need some fishing levels to support my alchemy so I am very eager to see how this plays out.
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Culinarians need fish for their recipes and I assume that even if fish have a market value they can be sold through retainers for that same price or slightly lower. Fishing costs bait, so unless bait is outrageously expensive, the returns on the fish is pretty much all profit.

I like the cast, wait, and pull in approach. I thought that they got the cast, bite, and reel system in FFXI down just perfect.
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I'm very curious about the statement that fishing will not affect the economy. I don't see how that statement can be entirely accurate without precluding the use of caught fish in crafting; otherwise, they would be ingredients in sellable products. I assumed that I would need some fishing levels to support my alchemy so I am very eager to see how this plays out.

You need it for culinarian, I couldnt level it much due to the fact of lack of fish
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the fish needed for cooking are sold on venders. If any fish caught would be used for cooking it wouldent make sense to what yoshi was aying about not having any market value. So fish from fishing are not for cooking.
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the fish needed for cooking are sold on venders. If any fish caught would be used for cooking it wouldent make sense to what yoshi was aying about not having any market value. So fish from fishing are not for cooking.

No they werent actually. In phase 2-3 there was very low level fish but not what you would need for recipes lvl 10 or higher
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the fish needed for cooking are sold on venders. If any fish caught would be used for cooking it wouldent make sense to what yoshi was aying about not having any market value. So fish from fishing are not for cooking.

No they werent actually. In phase 2-3 there was very low level fish but not what you would need for recipes lvl 10 or higher


I found most of them.. maybe they will be in venders we cant reach yet? but im 100% sure the fish we catch wont be used for cooking
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silverhope wrote:
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the fish needed for cooking are sold on venders. If any fish caught would be used for cooking it wouldent make sense to what yoshi was aying about not having any market value. So fish from fishing are not for cooking.

No they werent actually. In phase 2-3 there was very low level fish but not what you would need for recipes lvl 10 or higher


I found most of them.. maybe they will be in venders we cant reach yet? but im 100% sure the fish we catch wont be used for cooking

Makes no sense to have fishing be so worthless. I think it will be used in cul and alc
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im 100% sure the fish we catch wont be used for cooking


That's a bold statement. If the fish will not be used for cooking, then what will they be used for? And why make a game that needs fish for cooking, and you can't catch those kinds of fish, but somehow the NPC vendors can? That doesn't make any logical sense. Smiley: oyvey
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#14 Aug 08 2013 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Makes no sense to have fishing be so worthless. I think it will be used in cul and alc


thats the point yoshi has said that it is a job for relaxing and will not affect the market so RMT cant bot it to **** and back. It will track biggest catches and have hunt logs and at some point treasure maps. I agree it sucks.. i always loved fishing in games and im gonna be a cook so I wish you were right but its jsut not ment to be.
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I didn't play 1.0, but the fishing looked awful. It looks fine now, I don't what people expect. Go fishing in real life if it bothers you that much. I think people are forgetting this is a FICTIONAL VIDEO GAME WORLD. Smiley: lol
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#16 Aug 08 2013 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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We’re going to make sure that the stuff you get from fishing is not stuff that is going to be lucrative for RMT. The system needs to be relaxing.

What we want is for fishing to be more about what you’ve done. So maybe achievements for catching certain sizes of fish? Or having a log that keeps track of your own collection of what you’ve caught before, or how big a fish you’ve caught before, or whether you have fished in all fishing spots? Having things that are connected to you.

This is not to say we’re not thinking of other things. For example, maybe you fish up a treasure map, and that map leads to a new quest- we are planning things like that.


so maybe one day they will switch it.. i hope
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silverhope wrote:
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Makes no sense to have fishing be so worthless. I think it will be used in cul and alc


thats the point yoshi has said that it is a job for relaxing and will not affect the market so RMT cant bot it to **** and back. It will track biggest catches and have hunt logs and at some point treasure maps. I agree it sucks.. i always loved fishing in games and im gonna be a cook so I wish you were right but its jsut not ment to be.


At least hunt logs will get you experience. **** RMTs.
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I didn't play 1.0, but the fishing looked awful. It looks fine now, I don't what people expect. Go fishing in real life if it bothers you that much. I think people are forgetting this is a FICTIONAL VIDEO GAME WORLD. Smiley: lol


Then pick up your plastic sword and go hit people in Walmart, or even better, sit in a tree at the end of a street and pretend to cast fireballs. Smiley: nod Some of us live in the continental US around no bodies of water and enjoy the economy aspect of fishing in an MMO.

Edited, Aug 8th 2013 11:03am by Valkayree
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Im excited to fish, ill need those corals for jewerly!
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#20 Aug 08 2013 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Valkayree wrote:
supermegazeke wrote:
I didn't play 1.0, but the fishing looked awful. It looks fine now, I don't what people expect. Go fishing in real life if it bothers you that much. I think people are forgetting this is a FICTIONAL VIDEO GAME WORLD. Smiley: lol


Then pick up your plastic sword and go hit people in Walmart, or even better, sit in a tree at the end of a street and pretend to cast fireballs. Smiley: nod Some of us live in the continental US around no bodies of water and enjoy the economy aspect of fishing in an MMO.

Edited, Aug 8th 2013 11:03am by Valkayree


That actually sounds amazing to me, I hate Wal-Mart people. lol. You can't possibly tell that there is no water anywhere close to where you live though. That seems statistically impossible?
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I didn't play 1.0, but the fishing looked awful. It looks fine now, I don't what people expect. Go fishing in real life if it bothers you that much. I think people are forgetting this is a FICTIONAL VIDEO GAME WORLD. Smiley: lol


Then pick up your plastic sword and go hit people in Walmart, or even better, sit in a tree at the end of a street and pretend to cast fireballs. Smiley: nod Some of us live in the continental US around no bodies of water and enjoy the economy aspect of fishing in an MMO.

Edited, Aug 8th 2013 11:03am by Valkayree


That actually sounds amazing to me, I hate Wal-Mart people. lol. You can't possibly tell that there is no water anywhere close to where you live though. That seems statistically impossible?


East Wyoming. All the ponds at the parks do not allow fishing.

Edited, Aug 8th 2013 11:22am by Valkayree
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#22 Aug 08 2013 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I didn't play 1.0, but the fishing looked awful. It looks fine now, I don't what people expect. Go fishing in real life if it bothers you that much. I think people are forgetting this is a FICTIONAL VIDEO GAME WORLD. Smiley: lol


Then pick up your plastic sword and go hit people in Walmart, or even better, sit in a tree at the end of a street and pretend to cast fireballs. Smiley: nod Some of us live in the continental US around no bodies of water and enjoy the economy aspect of fishing in an MMO.

Edited, Aug 8th 2013 11:03am by Valkayree


That actually sounds amazing to me, I hate Wal-Mart people. lol. You can't possibly tell that there is no water anywhere close to where you live though. That seems statistically impossible?


East Wyoming. All the ponds at the parks do not allow fishing.

Edited, Aug 8th 2013 11:22am by Valkayree


Where is the nearest lake in Wyoming? (never been)

Edit: I'll just go ahead and say I'm not buying that you have no access to fishing after seeing this. http://www.wyomingtourism.org/thingstodo/overview/Fishing/1517


Edited, Aug 8th 2013 12:27pm by supermegazeke
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#23 Aug 08 2013 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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I'm very curious about the statement that fishing will not affect the economy. I don't see how that statement can be entirely accurate without precluding the use of caught fish in crafting; otherwise, they would be ingredients in sellable products. I assumed that I would need some fishing levels to support my alchemy so I am very eager to see how this plays out.


The big driver for fish in 1.0 was fish->alchemy->crystals. That seems to have been removed.

In the leaked/redacted recipe data, I didn't see much use for fish in Alchemy. There's shark and fish oil which crafters will need, but alchemy seems to rely mostly on botany and monster drops.

All the old fish->food recipes are still there (and I didn't see much change with the leak), and with the 3% exp bonus, I expect food will be in higher demand earlier in the game, instead of just saving the food for end content.

I am curious if fishing will reward crystals. Crystal gathering will be as important as material gathering now.
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I didn't play 1.0, but the fishing looked awful. It looks fine now, I don't what people expect. Go fishing in real life if it bothers you that much. I think people are forgetting this is a FICTIONAL VIDEO GAME WORLD. Smiley: lol


Then pick up your plastic sword and go hit people in Walmart, or even better, sit in a tree at the end of a street and pretend to cast fireballs. Smiley: nod Some of us live in the continental US around no bodies of water and enjoy the economy aspect of fishing in an MMO.

Edited, Aug 8th 2013 11:03am by Valkayree


That actually sounds amazing to me, I hate Wal-Mart people. lol. You can't possibly tell that there is no water anywhere close to where you live though. That seems statistically impossible?


East Wyoming. All the ponds at the parks do not allow fishing.

Edited, Aug 8th 2013 11:22am by Valkayree


Where is the nearest lake in Wyoming? (never been)

Edit: I'll just go ahead and say I'm not buying that you have no access to fishing after seeing this. http://www.wyomingtourism.org/thingstodo/overview/Fishing/1517


Edited, Aug 8th 2013 12:27pm by supermegazeke



Ok that is Western Wyoming. Jackson Hole is like an 8 hour drive from here. Are you crazy? I didn't say that all of Wyoming is dry, but I live near the Nebraska border. It is all rolling plains. No trees, no water. And plus, even if I did want to drive two hours to the nearest possible tiny reservior, I really only prefer ocean fishing (for the variety).


Edited, Aug 8th 2013 12:21pm by Valkayree
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Makes no sense to have fishing be so worthless. I think it will be used in cul and alc


thats the point yoshi has said that it is a job for relaxing and will not affect the market so RMT cant bot it to **** and back. It will track biggest catches and have hunt logs and at some point treasure maps. I agree it sucks.. i always loved fishing in games and im gonna be a cook so I wish you were right but its jsut not ment to be.


You very well could be right about this, but I wouldn't say it's a guarantee in the slightest. I think it's quite possible that all the fish are just bound to you and certain ones can be used in crafting, while others can be consumed for food benefits. It would seem incredibly odd to have cooking and alchemy require fish that a fisherman can't catch but NPCs somehow do. Like I said, maybe you're right, I just don't think it's a guarantee like you seem to. I mean, talk about an immersion killer...
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Makes no sense to have fishing be so worthless. I think it will be used in cul and alc


thats the point yoshi has said that it is a job for relaxing and will not affect the market so RMT cant bot it to **** and back. It will track biggest catches and have hunt logs and at some point treasure maps. I agree it sucks.. i always loved fishing in games and im gonna be a cook so I wish you were right but its jsut not ment to be.


You very well could be right about this, but I wouldn't say it's a guarantee in the slightest. I think it's quite possible that all the fish are just bound to you and certain ones can be used in crafting, while others can be consumed for food benefits. It would seem incredibly odd to have cooking and alchemy require fish that a fisherman can't catch but NPCs somehow do. Like I said, maybe you're right, I just don't think it's a guarantee like you seem to. I mean, talk about an immersion killer...


The NPCs who never leave their shops have magic fishing nets that poof to all of the special locations that players can't reach where they magically dip into the water and sing a special tune that craft fish adore. Then they poof back to the shop into the NPCs awaiting fish tanks. It could happen. It is Final Fantasy and we do have cloud fishing Smiley: tongue

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