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#1 Aug 08 2013 at 7:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've made a huge mistake. I've ventured into the beta forum, or rather, the center of all evil and human suffering. Now my heart is awash in grief and sadness.

I know the Live Letter had some disappointing moments, but surely it wasn't a sign of the apocalypse like the beta forum was making it out to be. What were some of your positive takeaways?

I saw both regular Tonberry and what looked like King Tonberry during the Monsters of Eorzea trailer. I was thrilled about that. And when Yoshi-P mentioned a boss that would deal 10,000 damage to the party, my mind instantly went to a Giant Cactuar.

Plus Unicorn. I thought Unicorn was cool.
#2 Aug 08 2013 at 7:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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If they had announced one million dollar to everyone who plays the game, they would still be complaining on the beta forums. Personally, I'm even more excited about the game. Can't wait until next weekend!
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#3 Aug 08 2013 at 8:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've made a huge mistake. I've ventured into the beta forum, or rather, the center of all evil and human suffering. Now my heart is awash in grief and sadness.

I know the Live Letter had some disappointing moments, but surely it wasn't a sign of the apocalypse like the beta forum was making it out to be. What were some of your positive takeaways?

I saw both regular Tonberry and what looked like King Tonberry during the Monsters of Eorzea trailer. I was thrilled about that. And when Yoshi-P mentioned a boss that would deal 10,000 damage to the party, my mind instantly went to a Giant Cactuar.

Plus Unicorn. I thought Unicorn was cool.


I popped into the beta forums and it was a huge mistake. It was like everyone had their birthday money stolen by the guy their girlfriends left them for after getting fired by the woman that stomped their puppy with spiked golf shoes while calling their mother a *****...so yeah, it was bad. I'm excited launch is so close Smiley: grin
#4 Aug 08 2013 at 8:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I didn't think the things they said were that surprising.

Like I didn't think Crystal Tower was going to be in at launch day.
#5 Aug 08 2013 at 8:38 PM Rating: Good
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I popped into the beta forums and it was a huge mistake. It was like everyone had their birthday money stolen by the guy their girlfriends left them for after getting fired by the woman that stomped their puppy with spiked golf shoes while calling their mother a *****


This. Exactly this. There may never be a more fitting description of anything, ever.
#6 Aug 08 2013 at 8:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't go there because the forum layout is bad; I can never find where I want to go. The horrible stories of the clientele don't help either.

The live letter was fine, and the content that was presented should keep me busy for a while.
#7 Aug 08 2013 at 9:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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I went to the beta forums out of curiosity, and never have I seen more simultaneous, over-the-top tantrums thrown in the same place outside of a preschool. Actually I'm pretty sure preschoolers are more well behaved. Were we that bad in the early FFXI days and I just don't remember? Because it sure seems like the clientèle is reaching new lows I never knew existed.

Or has the community there been conditioned to believe that phrasing dissatisfaction in the most hyperbolic, demeaning fashion short of breaking the Terms and Conditions is the only way to get what they want?
#8 Aug 08 2013 at 9:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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I went to the beta forums out of curiosity, and never have I seen more simultaneous, over-the-top tantrums thrown in the same place outside of a preschool. Actually I'm pretty sure preschoolers are more well behaved. Were we that bad in the early FFXI days and I just don't remember? Because it sure seems like the clientèle is reaching new lows I never knew existed.

Or has the community there been conditioned to believe that phrasing dissatisfaction in the most hyperbolic, demeaning fashion short of breaking the Terms and Conditions is the only way to get what they want?


Maybe, but we're the old men/women of the community now. Just shake your fist at them and move on.
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The forums have been like that for a long time. The reps can't handle the sheer volume of dross and so people just continue to post useless negative rubbish under the guise of being a 'beta tester'. Better stick with ZAM as there are people here who dare breach the beta forums and bring the golden snippets back here.

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#10 Aug 08 2013 at 11:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Personally, I am super excited that PS3 users get the ability to take screenshots in Phase 4. As a longtime FFXI PS2 player I really missed capturing all those new and exciting moments (first level ding, FATEs, new friends, etc.). Just beyond excited to have that.

Also loving the Veteran bonuses, what a great idea.

As for the Beta forums, take the opinions there with a block of salt. I would venture a guess that most of the trolls there are in it for the free playtime and will vanish when the sub fee starts. Besides, we've got Zam ;)
#11 Aug 08 2013 at 11:59 PM Rating: Default
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NeptuneMagnus wrote:

As for the Beta forums, take the opinions there with a block of salt. I would venture a guess that most of the trolls there are in it for the free playtime and will vanish when the sub fee starts. Besides, we've got Zam ;)


Honestly, I wouldn't say that about people that complain. Sure there are always a few trolls, but the majority of them are probably upset at SE over their disastrous 1.0. It's like when you make a bad first impression and all your flaws stand out after that. I'm growing a little tired of the insults of the Beta forums. Frankly this elitism that ZAM is somehow better than other places is just immature. In reality, we have our share of trolls here. We also have this retarded karma system that further warrants bullying of people whom you disagree with in general. On top of all that, these forums have a very SE biased feel to them which doesn't make me feel any better.

The bottom line is you're wrong.
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
NeptuneMagnus wrote:

As for the Beta forums, take the opinions there with a block of salt. I would venture a guess that most of the trolls there are in it for the free playtime and will vanish when the sub fee starts. Besides, we've got Zam ;)


Honestly, I wouldn't say that about people that complain. Sure there are always a few trolls, but the majority of them are probably upset at SE over their disastrous 1.0. It's like when you make a bad first impression and all your flaws stand out after that. I'm growing a little tired of the insults of the Beta forums. Frankly this elitism that ZAM is somehow better than other places is just immature. In reality, we have our share of trolls here. We also have this retarded karma system that further warrants bullying of people whom you disagree with in general. On top of all that, these forums have a very SE biased feel to them which doesn't make me feel any better.

The bottom line is you're wrong.


It's more civil here without a doubt.

Complaints don't bother me in and of themselves. If every thread on the beta forums were simply expressing a desire for more free time or concern that end game isn't ready enough, I wouldn't bat an eye. It's not even that people disagree with those viewpoints that bothers me. A spirited debate is fine and sometimes makes you think of things you hadn't thought of before.

It's that those disagreements get taken to a whole other level of desperate rage. Those boards are smothered in it. It isn't enough to say you felt misled, it's that SE HAS LIED TO YOU!!! 11!!122@3 and anyone who doesn't pick up a torch and/or pitchfork is the enemy. It isn't enough to say you like the game, it's that those who want changes are breaking your immersion. It isn't enough to say you wish things were better, it's that those who are satisfied are getting in the way of the gameplay you want to see added.

Sure, we have trolls and whiteknights around here and the occasional silly fight, but it's nothing compared to how insane I've seen it get on SE's official forums.
#13 Aug 09 2013 at 1:40 AM Rating: Good
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Went there yesterday morning when I got off work. First page was mostly cring over the fact P4 was only a weekend, and they all thought it would be a week or more. The no end game rants were there too, but not as heavily at that time. I found it funny cause nothing ever was concretly said regarding P4. I never really did like the official forums just to many threads on the samething. I think alot of the news that came was of no surpise to a majoity. There were some good and bad but thats was ok with me. As for here its usally is more civil. The majority of people here seem more willing to help people understand certain aspects of the game, or try to convey thier point of view without turning into a child and pouting. Mods usally try to keep thigs civil.

Like that they are adding bonuses for subscition length, and new news on jobs and classes. P4 was kinda depressing but its nothing world ending. No end game is understandale to me, it will be in quick enough. Overall still excited thankfully I have vacation that first week cause I always take it that week now I will have something to do.
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#15 Aug 09 2013 at 4:22 AM Rating: Decent
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NeptuneMagnus wrote:
As a longtime FFXI PS2 player I really missed capturing all those new and exciting moments (first level ding, FATEs, new friends, etc.). Just beyond excited to have that.

You could take screenshots in FFXI on the PS2. You missed capturing the instruction manual Smiley: sly

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Honestly, I wouldn't say that about people that complain. Sure there are always a few trolls, but the majority of them are probably upset at SE over their disastrous 1.0. It's like when you make a bad first impression and all your flaws stand out after that. I'm growing a little tired of the insults of the Beta forums.

Seconded. Especially when it's a bit hypocritical that you see people here complaining about complainers. It's one thing to troll for reactions, but a lot of what people take issue with there is valid whether you're of the same opinion or not.

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First page was mostly cring over the fact P4 was only a weekend, and they all thought it would be a week or more.

It's essentially an early start weekend for non-legacy players. Not necessarily a win-win, but it's something that could go in the plus column. I really don't get the no end game thing though. It's easily one of the most important things a game could have and I feel that with the amount of players already having the 1.0 headstart, it's even more important here.
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#16 Aug 09 2013 at 5:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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I went and read most the QQ threads on the beta forums than I used the chrome Google translate thing and visited the JP and German general forums and know what I found..?

Only one thread where people were upset about the live letter than a huge thread laughing at the English forum for being such baby's.

I enjoyed the live letter. Sure I have some reservations about some things but in no wag upset or feel duped by se. I can't wait for my beady eye mount haha solo awesome .
#17 Aug 09 2013 at 5:58 AM Rating: Good
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I went to the beta forums out of curiosity, and never have I seen more simultaneous, over-the-top tantrums thrown in the same place outside of a preschool. Actually I'm pretty sure preschoolers are more well behaved. Were we that bad in the early FFXI days and I just don't remember?


Nah, nobody threw fits during the early ffxi days because we were playing in a vacuum. There was no information to react to lol.

It sounds like the ffxiv beta forums are basically the same as the official World of Warcraft forums in this respect.
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#18 Aug 09 2013 at 6:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
NeptuneMagnus wrote:

As for the Beta forums, take the opinions there with a block of salt. I would venture a guess that most of the trolls there are in it for the free playtime and will vanish when the sub fee starts. Besides, we've got Zam ;)


Honestly, I wouldn't say that about people that complain. Sure there are always a few trolls, but the majority of them are probably upset at SE over their disastrous 1.0. It's like when you make a bad first impression and all your flaws stand out after that. I'm growing a little tired of the insults of the Beta forums. Frankly this elitism that ZAM is somehow better than other places is just immature. In reality, we have our share of trolls here. We also have this retarded karma system that further warrants bullying of people whom you disagree with in general. On top of all that, these forums have a very SE biased feel to them which doesn't make me feel any better.

The bottom line is you're wrong.


If I compare zam with the beta forums the times I wanted to hit my face with my monitor or with the wall are considerably lower.

So yea, the bottom line is you're wrong.






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I didn't think the things they said were that surprising.

Like I didn't think Crystal Tower was going to be in at launch day.


But the letters, and particularly the live letters, have never been about surprising the community or something. It's always been about connecting with the community and communication on an unprecedented level for SE.

I don't know what the beta forum people expected, but I was very pleased with the live letter.
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
NeptuneMagnus wrote:

As for the Beta forums, take the opinions there with a block of salt. I would venture a guess that most of the trolls there are in it for the free playtime and will vanish when the sub fee starts. Besides, we've got Zam ;)


Honestly, I wouldn't say that about people that complain. Sure there are always a few trolls, but the majority of them are probably upset at SE over their disastrous 1.0. It's like when you make a bad first impression and all your flaws stand out after that. I'm growing a little tired of the insults of the Beta forums. Frankly this elitism that ZAM is somehow better than other places is just immature. In reality, we have our share of trolls here. We also have this retarded karma system that further warrants bullying of people whom you disagree with in general. On top of all that, these forums have a very SE biased feel to them which doesn't make me feel any better.

The bottom line is you're wrong.


I took a peak over there last night. The issue I have isn't the complaints about the shortened beta or the solo-friendly atmosphere of AF gear or even the nerfing of endgame content for the duty finder or the lack of fishing being a real class. It was the people who literally couldn't find one positive thing out of the entire letter, and instead resorted to doom and gloom about how the game would immediately fail because of the letter. It's the people that were actually complaining about the unicorn mount ("that's so ***!" was a common theme), complaining about the rewards for subbing, complaining about not getting to see pvp, complaining about anything and everything that made me cringe.

The truth is, NONE of us know how any of the things mentioned in the live letter will actually play out in-game. Perhaps the AF gear will still be very challenging to get solo, perhaps endgame will still be incredibly challenging or tiered in difficulty, perhaps fisher will be more fleshed out than we think. I just get really annoyed when people immediately jump the gun and complain about things they can't possibly understand.
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Well, I also realized that the official (beta) forum has turned into a cesspit of hatred.
My only explanation is that people over there take the game more serious" than on
Allakhazam; as if they were on some bloody crusade.
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Well, I also realized that the official (beta) forum has turned into a cesspit of hatred.
My only explanation is that people over there take the game more serious" than on
Allakhazam; as if they were on some bloody crusade.


they want the game of there dreams and nothing can live up to it. I came across a few "Im not playing this game anymore" threads due to the live letter.. I feel really bad for these kids when they get into the real world and have real issues instead of nit picking every detail over a video game.
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Well, I also realized that the official (beta) forum has turned into a cesspit of hatred.


And lies.

A cesspit of hatred and lies.

If you're going to tease me with a quote, finish it!!!

But yeah. Every time I look at the beta forum, I slowly become more susceptible to picking Dracula's side.
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I seem to recall Blizzard's forums were the same way, it's nothing new, the official forums attract the most people. I used to post on the Playstation forums back when I first started playing FFXI before I found Zam and they drove me nuts as well.
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#25 Aug 09 2013 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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I haven't seen the beta forums at all, but they seem awful.
Many internet forums nowadays can be described as 'first world problems'.
I'm sure people just want to play as soon as possible and as much as possible therefore the news hit hard.
To be honest, it's only 7 or 8 days away for most... we'll get to play 3 or 4 days, take a 4 or 5 day break, then play forever.
It's hardly the end of the world, especially for people who have lives and jobs.
I'd like to think that most of the complainers will be gone once the free trial ends, and we'll be back to a somewhat normal community.
I applaud the Zam mods for keeping these forums civil.
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I haven't seen the beta forums at all, but they seem awful.
Many internet forums nowadays can be described as 'first world problems'.
I'm sure people just want to play as soon as possible and as much as possible therefore the news hit hard.
To be honest, it's only 7 or 8 days away for most... we'll get to play 3 or 4 days, take a 4 or 5 day break, then play forever.
It's hardly the end of the world, especially for people who have lives and jobs.
I'd like to think that most of the complainers will be gone once the free trial ends, and we'll be back to a somewhat normal community.
I applaud the Zam mods for keeping these forums civil.


Nothing to do with me for the most part, you guys should take the credit Smiley: thumbsup
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