It's more civil here without a doubt.
Complaints don't bother me in and of themselves. If every thread on the beta forums were simply expressing a desire for more free time or concern that end game isn't ready enough, I wouldn't bat an eye. It's not even that people disagree with those viewpoints that bothers me. A spirited debate is fine and sometimes makes you think of things you hadn't thought of before.
It's that those disagreements get taken to a whole other level of desperate rage. Those boards are smothered in it. It isn't enough to say you felt misled, it's that SE HAS LIED TO YOU!!! 11!!122@3 and anyone who doesn't pick up a torch and/or pitchfork is the enemy. It isn't enough to say you like the game, it's that those who want changes are breaking your immersion. It isn't enough to say you wish things were better, it's that those who are satisfied are getting in the way of the gameplay you want to see added.
Sure, we have trolls and whiteknights around here and the occasional silly fight, but it's nothing compared to how insane I've seen it get on SE's official forums.
All I'm saying we shouldn't be comparing other forums to Zam, that's it. Frankly, I was disappointed with Zam back at FFXIV's 1.0 launch and the fallout after it. You had people with valid arguments being sub-defaulted because fanboys defended the game despite the disaster. There was absolutely zero criticism by the "good posters" and it was sort of a love fest and words I won't use on this forum.
I'd probably agree with you about the other forums if you put a gun to my head, but again, this isn't about that. If the ZAM community is so much better than the Beta, why do our people need to go out of their way to insult them over here? I think you'll agree despite your feelings that you're right about the actual state of that said forum, it doesn't excuse our community for sinking to the same lows. Edited, Aug 9th 2013 8:46am by ShadowedgeFFXI
Yes, I'm bored. It's funny seeing much of the same posters posting, including yourself.
Here during 1.0 there were a lot of white knight threads, but there were also quite a bit of negative threads as well.
Once I snapped into reality, and learned that 1.0 was a disaster, I made my criticisms known.
Once I found that the game wasn't for me, I went over to FFXI and took a break from =152 and let things cool off.
...And I don't want to brag, but I think that's where the good posters went. We left; we didn't stay and try to "save" a sinking ship.
Wint is right though, WoW's forums were much the same at launch as are most developer hosted sites for some reason.