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#1 Aug 11 2013 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
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But I'm looking around and this seems like a great deal to me (For playing XIV if nothing else) and I was just wondering what people who probably knew more then me thought.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vibox-4-0GHz-16GB-4-0GHz-Quad-core-gaming-PC-1TB-Super-Fast-computer-/221127252096

#2 Aug 11 2013 at 8:10 AM Rating: Good
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does it list the graphics card anywhere? it just says dedicated which could be anything form a $50 card which would explane the cheap price.
#3 Aug 11 2013 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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Dedicated graphics are onboard graphic card I believe.

Edited, Aug 11th 2013 10:12am by Solonuke
#4 Aug 11 2013 at 8:14 AM Rating: Decent
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ATI Radeon HD 6450 2GB is what's listed a little lower down.
#5 Aug 11 2013 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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it would say intergrated for onboard i believe. Also the parts dont say a brand either like the ram or the processor. The specs kinda see to good to be true. Mine is a 3.2 GHz 16gram 7800amd graphics and it cost 800$ im not sure how much thats in euros.

I found the spec list sry for the confusion.

Edited, Aug 11th 2013 10:17am by silverhope
#6 Aug 11 2013 at 8:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I mean I can always upgrade the graphics card, the only problem is, I wouldn't know what to get haha. I've had laptops for a while now, where the only thing I can upgrade is the ram, so I'm out of my element with PC upgrading.
#7 Aug 11 2013 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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I would not get that PC.

Firstly, the CPU is alright, but the lack of details on the motherboard and video card makes it shady.

Secondly, too much RAM. You only need 8Gb at most.

Thirdly, if you scroll down, you'll see a big ad saying "upgrade your video card to a Radeon HD 6670!" which is quite a sh*tty video card for today's standards. So this means the card that comes with the PC is even worse.

Don't buy it.

Edit: Found it, it says HD 6450 card that comes with it. Real crap.

Also, PSU is a 450W no-name unit. Even if you upgrade your video card later, your PSU won't be able to handle it.

Edited, Aug 11th 2013 9:40am by Threx
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#8 Aug 11 2013 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Threx wrote:
I would not get that PC.

Firstly, the CPU is alright, but the lack of details on the motherboard and video card makes it shady.

Secondly, too much RAM. You only need 8Gb at most.

Thirdly, if you scroll down, you'll see a big ad saying "upgrade your video card to a Radeon HD 6670!" which is quite a sh*tty video card for today's standards. So this means the card that comes with the PC is even worse.

Don't buy it.

Edit: Found it, it says HD 6450 card that comes with it. Real crap.

Also, PSU is a 450W no-name unit. Even if you upgrade your video card later, your PSU won't be able to handle it.

Edited, Aug 11th 2013 9:40am by Threx

:c crap. okay. My budget is £500, if you know anywhere I can get something that would play XIV decently? My dad just bought a similar rig to the one I linked, but slightly better/from amazon for £589, not sure if I should hold off and try to get something like that?
#9 Aug 11 2013 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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Princewinter wrote:
Threx wrote:
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:c crap. okay. My budget is £500, if you know anywhere I can get something that would play XIV decently? My dad just bought a similar rig to the one I linked, but slightly better/from amazon for £589, not sure if I should hold off and try to get something like that?


Try running the benchmark on your dad's PC and start from there.

Have you considered just getting a PS3 (or PS4) if you're only looking to play this game?

I would also be worried about the no-name parts listed (or not listed, rather) for the PC you're looking at, but it's not necessarily a deal-breaker depending on how picky you want to be. Are you looking to have this PC for several years to come, or are you fine if it craps out 2-3 years down the road? The PSU is usually the first thing to go, but those are cheap and easy to replace. Then again, pre-fab PCs like Dell and HP tend to use no-name parts. It's less than ideal, but you might be able to get away with it.

If you're on a budget, I wouldn't completely discount this PC. Just do your homework -- know that even if you upgrade your graphics card, your CPU may end up being a bottleneck depending on how much of an upgrade you're looking to get. And , as Threx said, you may also need to upgrade the PSU depending on what you upgrade to.





Edited, Aug 11th 2013 11:10am by Aasher
#10 Aug 11 2013 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Right now I'm on an Asus G72GX laptop which played 1.0 on max perfectly, but for some reason is struggling a lot with 2.0 despite the graphics engine supposedly being for lower end rigs. I figure a desktop in any capacity has to handle XIV slightly better.

This laptop handles most games on high-ish (Not usually max unless it's older) but does have an overheating problem.

Frankly, if the desktop I listed will play XIV on high/max with no framerate issues, then I'd be happy. How necessary would it be to upgrade anything in order to achieve that? Because right now I'm looking on amazon, and anything under £500 is either completely awful, or is fine except 1 crappy thing lol because http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gaming-OVERCLOCKED-Bulldozer-Graphics-Operating/dp/B009HSHXGU/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1376232888&sr=1-1&keywords=desktop+pc would be my next choice, but I'm not sure that is even much better then the ebay listing.
#11 Aug 11 2013 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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I started breaking down costs and putting a system together on Newegg when I realized they don't ship internationally, which sucks. I looked around and came up with this site. I think the 7770 scores in the neighborhood of 4500-5000 on the benchmark at maximum 1920x1080. The biggest drawback is that even though it's an 80PLUS Corsair PSU, it's only 430 watts, so you might be stuck getting a new PSU if you eventually want to upgrade your GPU. Also, this system does not come with an OS, so you would have to either buy one or provide your own.

GLADIATOR HD7770 AMD FX-6300 Piledriver 4.10GHz Six-Core Next Day Gaming PC - £479.99 inc. VAT ($745)
CPU: AMD (Piledriver) FX-6300 3.50GHz (4.10GHz Turbo) Six-Core Processor - 14MB Cache
Graphics: AMD Radeon HD 7770 GDDR5 1024MB DirectX 11 Graphics
RAM: 8GB PC3-12800C9 1600MHz DDR3 (2x4096MB) Dual-Channel Memory (32GB Supported) - Delivers unparalleled bandwidth
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-USB3 AMD 760G Chipset Motherboard
Cooler: AMD Socket AM3+ CPU Cooler
Audio: Onboard 2/4/5.1/7.1 Channel High Definition Audio
Case: Corsair Carbide 200R Black Midi Tower Gaming Case
PSU: 430W Corsair Builder Series 430CX 80PLUS Bronze Power Supply
Optical Drive: LiteOn DVDRW Dual Layer DVD Rewriter (m-Disk Support) 24x DVD±R
Hard Drive: 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6GB/s (SATA-III) Hard Drive
Operating System: No OS Pre-installed - Aria Recommends Windows® Software
• INCLUDED Full 12 Month Collect & Returns Warranty
#12 Aug 11 2013 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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pesmerrga wrote:
I started breaking down costs and putting a system together on Newegg when I realized they don't ship internationally, which sucks. I looked around and came up with this site. I think the 7770 scores in the neighborhood of 4500-5000 on the benchmark at maximum 1920x1080. The biggest drawback is that even though it's an 80PLUS Corsair PSU, it's only 430 watts, so you might be stuck getting a new PSU if you eventually want to upgrade your GPU. Also, this system does not come with an OS, so you would have to either buy one or provide your own.

GLADIATOR HD7770 AMD FX-6300 Piledriver 4.10GHz Six-Core Next Day Gaming PC - £479.99 inc. VAT ($745)
CPU: AMD (Piledriver) FX-6300 3.50GHz (4.10GHz Turbo) Six-Core Processor - 14MB Cache
Graphics: AMD Radeon HD 7770 GDDR5 1024MB DirectX 11 Graphics
RAM: 8GB PC3-12800C9 1600MHz DDR3 (2x4096MB) Dual-Channel Memory (32GB Supported) - Delivers unparalleled bandwidth
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-USB3 AMD 760G Chipset Motherboard
Cooler: AMD Socket AM3+ CPU Cooler
Audio: Onboard 2/4/5.1/7.1 Channel High Definition Audio
Case: Corsair Carbide 200R Black Midi Tower Gaming Case
PSU: 430W Corsair Builder Series 430CX 80PLUS Bronze Power Supply
Optical Drive: LiteOn DVDRW Dual Layer DVD Rewriter (m-Disk Support) 24x DVD±R
Hard Drive: 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6GB/s (SATA-III) Hard Drive
Operating System: No OS Pre-installed - Aria Recommends Windows® Software
• INCLUDED Full 12 Month Collect & Returns Warranty


Oh man yeah, newegg is the bane of my existence. They're so cheap but don't ship to the UK. This machine is pretty much what I'm looking for, something I can play XIV on high settings with without having to upgrade straight away, but with the option of upgrading in the future if I wanted to. My dad can upgrade the PSU pretty easily since he's an electrician so I'm not SUPER worried about that.

Right now I'm getting about 4000 on the benchmark on medium/custom settings, so if this runs it the same but on max I'll be pretty happy. I'll probably end up getting this, so thank you very very much for the help.
#13 Aug 11 2013 at 9:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Princewinter wrote:

Frankly, if the desktop I listed will play XIV on high/max with no framerate issues, then I'd be happy.


I would expect around "standard" or the next tier up with the PC you're looking at (don't quote me on that), but honestly the difference between the lowest and highest settings for 2.0 is truly minimal.

"Low" basically removes grass and light shafts. Otherwise it looks very, very similar in terms of texture quality.

Edited, Aug 11th 2013 11:46am by Aasher
#14 Aug 11 2013 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Aasher wrote:
Princewinter wrote:

Frankly, if the desktop I listed will play XIV on high/max with no framerate issues, then I'd be happy.


I would expect around "standard" with the PC you're looking at (don't quote me on that), but honestly the difference between the lowest and highest settings for 2.0 is truly minimal.

"Low" basically removes grass and light shafts. Otherwise it looks very, very similar in terms of texture quality.

It's mostly the framerate that was getting me. I'd be perfectly fine in dungeons, but out in the world where there are other people I was getting around 10-15fps.
#15 Aug 11 2013 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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If you turn off anti aliasing and other effects like ambient occlusion, it should be easier to run the game.
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Be advised that those PCs do not come standard with an operating system, so you'll have to acquire one yourself (or pay their upgrade fees). Factor that time/cost into your budget as well. Are there any other UK based manufacturers that are an option for you?
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#17 Aug 11 2013 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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desmar wrote:
Be advised that those PCs do not come standard with an operating system, so you'll have to acquire one yourself (or pay their upgrade fees). Factor that time/cost into your budget as well. Are there any other UK based manufacturers that are an option for you?

I have a windows 7 disc, I'm assuming if I boot from that at startup it'll install? If not then I'd have no idea how to install windows on something that doesn't have windows on it already.

Basically so long as it's under £500 and will run XIV well, I'm happy. I'm likely to get the Gladiator one someone listed above if people agree it's good, but any other suggestions are welcome.
#18 Aug 11 2013 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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That Gladiator one should run it fine. According to http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html , yours is only 1000 points under mine in the rankings, and I scored 7.2k on the Character Creation bench and ran the beta maximized @1080p.
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#19 Aug 11 2013 at 4:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Princewinter wrote:
Basically so long as it's under £500 and will run XIV well, I'm happy.


Get a PS3. Unless you have need of a computer for some other reason, there's no reason to buy one.
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Getting a PS3 this late with a PS4 around the corner might actually be a good reason to buy an updated but not hardcore PC. Your PC will still do everything you need it to do for a few years, whereas the value of the PS3 should drop exponentially here in a month or two as people are jumping into the next gen. If Sony pushes FF14 as a launch title, good luck finding a PS4 though as that'd probably spike demand hardcore.
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#21 Aug 11 2013 at 5:23 PM Rating: Decent
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desmar wrote:
Getting a PS3 this late with a PS4 around the corner might actually be a good reason to buy an updated but not hardcore PC. Your PC will still do everything you need it to do for a few years, whereas the value of the PS3 should drop exponentially here in a month or two as people are jumping into the next gen. If Sony pushes FF14 as a launch title, good luck finding a PS4 though as that'd probably spike demand hardcore.


Why pay PC price for PS3 performance? The value of a PS3 doesn't drop when its:

1) Cheaper than the alternative.
2) Not going to need upgrades.

He didn't specifically state that he'd use the PC for anything else so if it's a dedicated XIV machine, PS3 wins easily.
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All you guys asking "Will dis run ARRs?!". Suggestion.

Man up.
Watch youtube for an hour.
Go to Fry's/Microcenter/PCstore.
Buy components.
Build PC.
Enjoy.

Seriously, it's easier than building a spaceship out of legos. It's like changing your oil or spark plugs. Do it yourself. You'll save money and have a better quality machine that you can upgrade every year or two to keep up with technology. Stop being a girly man.
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Transmigration wrote:
All you guys asking "Will dis run ARRs?!". Suggestion.

Man up.
Watch youtube for an hour.
Go to Fry's/Microcenter/PCstore.
Buy components.
Build PC.
Enjoy.

Seriously, it's easier than building a spaceship out of legos. It's like changing your oil or spark plugs. Do it yourself. You'll save money and have a better quality machine that you can upgrade every year or two to keep up with technology. Stop being a girly man.


I'd visit forums specifically for building computers. No offense to the posters of ZAM, but there is a lot of bad advice here about building and upgrades. Go to tomshardware, overclockers or something like that. The most important piece of advice for building: Stick to the QVL for the motherboard manufacturer when buying components other than CPU and GPU. 9/10 new build issues are a result of using the wrong type of RAM.

This is also another reason why just getting a console is a better option. Not just cheaper, but less headaches.
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This is also another reason why just getting a console is a better option. Not just cheaper, but less headaches.

I was recently dealing with some of those PC-related headaches. At times I was longing for the good ol' Super Nintendo days of popping in a cartridge, turning the power on, grabbing the controller, and playing for hours. Simple & satisfying.

Though I've had some headaches with consoles too. Mainly the PS2 & 360. RRODs with the 360, and ran into some bad luck with PS2s. Once I bought one, took it home, and it just wouldn't work at all.Smiley: disappointed
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FilthMcNasty wrote:

This is also another reason why just getting a console is a better option. Not just cheaper, but less headaches.

I was recently dealing with some of those PC-related headaches. At times I was longing for the good ol' Super Nintendo days of popping in a cartridge, turning the power on, grabbing the controller, and playing for hours. Simple & satisfying.

Though I've had some headaches with consoles too. Mainly the PS2 & 360. RRODs with the 360, and ran into some bad luck with PS2s. Once I bought one, took it home, and it just wouldn't work at all.Smiley: disappointed


Haha and when they didn't work, you just took them out and blew on them. It was magic!
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Haha and when they didn't work, you just took them out and blew on them. It was magic!


I bet half of this forum wouldn't even realize what that means! ;)

Anyone remember the mythical 1,000,000-in-one cartridge?
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#27 Aug 12 2013 at 5:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I read these forums a lot but had to sign up for this. I would honestly consider building your own pc. It's not that hard and you will get a better spec for the price. As an example I just spec'd a pc on scan.co.uk and for £450 you could get the parts for a complete system inc delivery with a quad core AMD CPU, 8gb ram, 1tb HDD and a AMD hd7850 graphics card. Posting this on my phone so I can't link anything atm but after building my own pc I could never go back to a pre-built system. Also you could get a 120gb SSD for your os and programs for £78 that would provide a significant boost over using a HDD.
Good luck with whatever you decide and see you in eorzea.
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I read these forums a lot but had to sign up for this. I would honestly consider building your own pc. It's not that hard and you will get a better spec for the price. As an example I just spec'd a pc on scan.co.uk and for £450 you could get the parts for a complete system inc delivery with a quad core AMD CPU, 8gb ram, 1tb HDD and a AMD hd7850 graphics card. Posting this on my phone so I can't link anything atm but after building my own pc I could never go back to a pre-built system. Also you could get a 120gb SSD for your os and programs for £78 that would provide a significant boost over using a HDD.
Good luck with whatever you decide and see you in eorzea.


As Mitch and others have said building your own computer is easy. How easy you might ask, well I walked my 60 yr old mom through it over the phone in less than two hours. Yep it's really that easy.

Also I run almost this exact computer and it runs most everything I throw at it on high with good fps.

My setup
Amd fx-6300
Asus m5a97
Corsair builders 500w psu
8gb crucial ram
Gigabyte HD 7850
WD 1tb HDD
All in a cheap thermaltake v4 case I picked up for under $20.

I picked up parts when they were on sale so I saved a bit that way but it's still a good deal at regular price. Now if my Samsung 840 ssd and corsair h55 CPU water cooler ever show up I'll be happy.
#29 Aug 13 2013 at 10:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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A 430W psu is plenty for the 7700 series. Those cards use around 58W at max.

Also, in response to the thread title:
Patrick Stewart: "Then don't do it! Why do something that you hate to do?!"

Edited, Aug 13th 2013 12:54pm by PhrozenFFXI
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