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#52 Aug 12 2013 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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For me I just can't see the PS3 version being worth $. Maybe if it was a free PSN download and then you pay a sub to keep it going. But I can't really see a game like that actually being on a box at Gamestop. Too many technical problems. It's very obvious that ARR shouldn't be on the PS3. They should have waited for the PS4.

This is just my opinion and I see some people in this thread are fine with the PS3 version.


No offense, but you're wrong about the PS3 version. The reason you're wrong is because the game runs very well for a PS3 game. Now if you're one of the people that's unsatisfied with PS3 games(in general) at this point, I can see why you would have this opinion. I play a lot of PS3 games so this is me talking from experience. If you examine the difference between FFX(PS2) and FFXI(PS2), you can instantly see a huge difference. However if you compare FFXIII to FFXIV on PS3, the difference is much less.

The draw in distance, texture popping, 720P, longer loading(5200 HDD) times are all par for the course on the PS3. These aren't technical problems though, these are limitations of the old hardware. I agree that the PS4 version will be superior, however if people have to choose from buying(upgrading) their PC to play FFXIV or wait until at least Spring 2014, I think you see why people are starting on the PS3. Most people will eventually upgrade to the PS4 version and unlike FFXI, there will be an upgraded console version to pick up. So there isn't any reason to feel the PS3 will hold back the game any. That's why they released it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JQ87KtH1G8 Here is a video comparing the both exploring different areas. Really the only difference in the 2 is the PC version has a little more definition and color to it. I also watched this on my PS3 on the youtube app on a HDTV42" w/ HDMI cable on the highest resolution. It names the version on the right corner as u watch the vid.


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For me I just can't see the PS3 version being worth $. Maybe if it was a free PSN download and then you pay a sub to keep it going. But I can't really see a game like that actually being on a box at Gamestop. Too many technical problems. It's very obvious that ARR shouldn't be on the PS3. They should have waited for the PS4.

This is just my opinion and I see some people in this thread are fine with the PS3 version.


No offense, but you're wrong about the PS3 version. The reason you're wrong is because the game runs very well for a PS3 game. Now if you're one of the people that's unsatisfied with PS3 games(in general) at this point, I can see why you would have this opinion. I play a lot of PS3 games so this is me talking from experience. If you examine the difference between FFX(PS2) and FFXI(PS2), you can instantly see a huge difference. However if you compare FFXIII to FFXIV on PS3, the difference is much less.

The draw in distance, texture popping, 720P, longer loading(5200 HDD) times are all par for the course on the PS3. These aren't technical problems though, these are limitations of the old hardware. I agree that the PS4 version will be superior, however if people have to choose from buying(upgrading) their PC to play FFXIV or wait until at least Spring 2014, I think you see why people are starting on the PS3. Most people will eventually upgrade to the PS4 version and unlike FFXI, there will be an upgraded console version to pick up. So there isn't any reason to feel the PS3 will hold back the game any. That's why they released it.


I would add that switching the default PS3 hard drive to a solid state drive (aka SSD) is quick and easy and not that expensive as long as you keep the disk space reasonable (I got a 320 gb cheap, and I doubt I'll ever max it out). For games that hit the disk a lot, as FFXIV is sure to, it makes a substantial difference. At least that's one problem that can be solved.
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The draw in distance, texture popping, 720P, longer loading(5200 HDD) times are all par for the course on the PS3. These aren't technical problems though, these are limitations of the old hardware. I agree that the PS4 version will be superior, however if people have to choose from buying(upgrading) their PC to play FFXIV or wait until at least Spring 2014, I think you see why people are starting on the PS3. Most people will eventually upgrade to the PS4 version and unlike FFXI, there will be an upgraded console version to pick up. So there isn't any reason to feel the PS3 will hold back the game any. That's why they released it.

I don't see the PS4 version being much of an upgrade though. If better hardware meant better performance, why is the PC version nerfed? I mean, it still remains to be see what options will be in at launch or when DX11 hits, but I don't imagine they'll ever have PC and PS4 versions on par with what they're capable of. They've either done a good job with the PS3 or a poor job with the PC version.
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#56 Aug 13 2013 at 9:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't see the PS4 version being much of an upgrade though. If better hardware meant better performance, why is the PC version nerfed? I mean, it still remains to be see what options will be in at launch or when DX11 hits, but I don't imagine they'll ever have PC and PS4 versions on par with what they're capable of. They've either done a good job with the PS3 or a poor job with the PC version.


I'm not that familiar with the PC version so I can't really comment there. The PS4 will be an upgrade because of the limitations of the PS3 hardware. 512MB compared to 8GB. A faster HDD(better loading), more power(more onscreen players/npcs), 1080P graphics and so forth. Maybe you're not impressed with the PC version, but the PS4 version should improve the experience for console players.

Although I plan to upgrade to the PS4 version, I enjoy the PS3 version so far. My plan has always been to get the goodies of the pre-order for the PS3 and then switch to PS4 when the times comes. The loading time is the only thing that really bugs me now. The lag is non existent for me. I feel SE did a wonderful job on creating the game for the PS3 within the limitations of the hardware.
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I let my g/f borrow my PS3 so that she could play in Phase 3 until I could order and build her PC. The graphics weren't that bad compared to the PC version, however a lot of the options just weren't there in the graphics setting, such as resolution. This led to a very oversized UI but that will be fixed with UI scaling at launch.

The biggest thing I noticed about the PS3 version however was the framerate. The framerate was absolutely abysmal compared to the PC version. With only a few people/mobs around the PS3 had to only be getting 20 or less FPS. Hopefully they have streamlined it since P3 because I don't think the system could handle 24 mans very well.

Also, if anyone's planning on getting a PS4 primarily for this game I would suggest just building your own PC for $1000. I'd get one anyway after all the garbage they tried to pull with their system announcements.

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#58 Aug 13 2013 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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Hopefully they have streamlined it since P3 because I don't think the system could handle 24 mans very well.


I could see this being a significant concern.
#59 Aug 13 2013 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also, if anyone's planning on getting a PS4 primarily for this game I would suggest just building your own PC for $1000. I'd get one anyway after all the garbage they tried to pull with their system announcements.



Are you confusing the PS4 with the Xbox One? I think so because the PS4 has done everything right so far. It was the PS3 that did everything wrong at launch.

Anyways, I think you're opinion about the PS3 version isn't fair. It's like watching TV on 1080P and then going back and watching TV on SD. Of course SD can't compete, but you don't know that if you're accustomed to certain standards. I have no doubt the PC version is superior, but the question should be is the game playable on the PS3? That answer is yes.

I'd also argue that you shouldn't spend $1,000 on a PC just for one game. Most people already have a PC so buying another rig just to play FFXIV isn't that smart either. The excuse you do a lot more with a PC isn't valid here because again most people have a PC already, they just can't run the game. If a person buys the PS4, they probably intend to play more games on the platform.

The bottom line for players who want to play on the PS3 is this. If you're satisfied with your PS3 and the way it plays normal games, you won't be disappointed by FFXIV. The graphics are slightly better than most PS3 games too. All the gripes mentioned by people in this thread are nothing new for PS3 games. If you're a PC gamer, you're going to be disappointed with the PS3 version so you should stick with the PC version.
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Also, if anyone's planning on getting a PS4 primarily for this game I would suggest just building your own PC for $1000. I'd get one anyway after all the garbage they tried to pull with their system announcements.



Are you confusing the PS4 with the Xbox One? I think so because the PS4 has done everything right so far. It was the PS3 that did everything wrong at launch.


The PS4 didn't really get the scrutiny it deserved on account that the Xbox One reveal couldn't have turned out worse if they murdered a box full of kittens as an encore. But their changes to PSN are significant to their existing customers who up till now have enjoyed those services for free (although it will still end up less expensive than a Gold account on Xbox Live). There's also the issue of ending reverse compatibility and what that means for customers who hoped to enjoy their purchases long after the PS3 kicked off into retirement. Most of what Sony did right was to keep quiet about these changes while their competition stuffed explosives up their **** and set them off for all to see.
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I am extremely looking forward to the DX11 update, I REALLY hope they keep that as a high priority and get it delivered asap! The side by sides of PS3 to PC might get a bit more drastic at that point until the PS4 version is out.
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The PS4 didn't really get the scrutiny it deserved on account that the Xbox One reveal couldn't have turned out worse if they murdered a box full of kittens as an encore. But their changes to PSN are significant to their existing customers who up till now have enjoyed those services for free (although it will still end up less expensive than a Gold account on Xbox Live). There's also the issue of ending reverse compatibility and what that means for customers who hoped to enjoy their purchases long after the PS3 kicked off into retirement. Most of what Sony did right was to keep quiet about these changes while their competition stuffed explosives up their **** and set them off for all to see.


I don't agree at all. The PSN Plus has such a high subscriber base because it's the best value for gamers in the industry. Right now, Sony is offering Hitman Absolution, Saints Row 3, Uncharted 3 and a lot more absolutely free. All the other freebies and discounts on pre-orders is pure win. People that don't sign up for Plus are actually losing money. You'll still have some online functionality like recording game footage with the Share button without paying for Plus. All those indie games shown off by Sony at the press conference are also coming to players free of charge with PLUS. I don't see much negative to speak of here.

The reverse compatibility issue was expected due to the lack of the Cell processor. Gaikai should be able to emulate games streaming them to your PSN account. I don't think this will be a huge issue down the road.

You can't please everyone and I've tried to honestly be objective to the concerns of people whom disagreed with me on the PS4. I do know that FFXIV won't require PSN Plus to run the game. The same deal that Xbox/SE used during the FFXI 360 game is more or less how it will work. It all boils down to your preference of playing either the PC or the consoles.
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What Xoie said XD. The PS4 has some pretty craptastic features or lack thereof that are all pretty much a money grab. "Our big selling point is a share button right on the controller!" Joy, now we will have 50 million more pointless videos of some kid teabagging someone in CoD.

I never actually bought a system from this current gen (I'm "borrowing" my friend's PS3 that sounds like a jet engine) and I certainly won't be buying one from next gen. I'll be sticking to my PS1/PS2 for all of my gaming needs beyond what i can play on the PC. It isn't like anything exclusive and truly worth it has come out for a system since then anyway.

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Xoie wrote:
ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
DamienSScott wrote:

Also, if anyone's planning on getting a PS4 primarily for this game I would suggest just building your own PC for $1000. I'd get one anyway after all the garbage they tried to pull with their system announcements.



Are you confusing the PS4 with the Xbox One? I think so because the PS4 has done everything right so far. It was the PS3 that did everything wrong at launch.


The PS4 didn't really get the scrutiny it deserved on account that the Xbox One reveal couldn't have turned out worse if they murdered a box full of kittens as an encore. But their changes to PSN are significant to their existing customers who up till now have enjoyed those services for free (although it will still end up less expensive than a Gold account on Xbox Live). There's also the issue of ending reverse compatibility and what that means for customers who hoped to enjoy their purchases long after the PS3 kicked off into retirement. Most of what Sony did right was to keep quiet about these changes while their competition stuffed explosives up their **** and set them off for all to see.


I agree that is a biggie... All the Sony fanboys who put MS down for charging for live some how have justified it is good when Sony does it though... LOL

The good news as I understand it you do not have to pay for FFXIV to be played online though.


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I agree that is a biggie... All the Sony fanboys who put MS down for charging for live some how have justified it is good when Sony does it though... LOL


It's not the same thing. One service offers several benefits for paying other than the ability to go online and the latter makes you pay an arm and a leg just to be competitive on an online game. This isn't about fanboys, this is about dollars and cents. One is a true value while the latter is a ripoff.


Edited, Aug 13th 2013 2:23pm by ShadowedgeFFXI
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I think the way it should work is that companies should be competing to give me a better value for my money.

What truly bothers me is that this generation of consoles looks to be about who is going to take the least away from me. Ultimately, the loser of the console war this time around are the gamers themselves.
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I agree that is a biggie... All the Sony fanboys who put MS down for charging for live some how have justified it is good when Sony does it though... LOL


It's not the same thing. One service offers several benefits for paying other than the ability to go online and the latter makes you pay an arm and a leg just to be competitive on an online game. This isn't about fanboys, this is about dollars and cents. One is a true value while the latter is a ripoff.


Edited, Aug 13th 2013 2:23pm by ShadowedgeFFXI



What are you talking about?.. MS charged for xbox live. For years Sony fanboys bashed Live for being pay.
Now Sony is going to charge for the exact same thing. It has been free it is no longer going to be free. They both offer free games now. There is no difference except xbox live is actually a good service and the only thing ms has done right. live have ability to chat not just in-game chat is which is a good feature, something Sony has not figured out.
We would not have to worry about the developers putting in-game chat for FFXIV because it is not needed on the xbox.

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I think the way it should work is that companies should be competing to give me a better value for my money.

What truly bothers me is that this generation of consoles looks to be about who is going to take the least away from me. Ultimately, the loser of the console war this time around are the gamers themselves.


With the increase in console prices and paying to have to play online pc gaming will pick up. The gap narrows in cost especially as the console ages and becomes about the same speed as a mid or lower pc..

I have owned 3 xboxes, 1 ps2 and had two preorders on PS4... I dropped it down too one PS4 because I might pick a gaming PC instead latter to play FFXIV. I am tired of this console crap.






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I have to agree with ShadowEdge on this debate.

I have a 6 year old PS3 fat model. It used to be only 60GB but since I have upgraded just the harddrive (for only $50 CAD) it is now 300GB. It still plays PS3 games now just as well as it used to back when I purchased it - it has stood the test of time.

I have a 4 year old laptop. I used to be able to play up to date games on it. Mind you it was mostly purchased to get me through university, but it is already too old and too far behind to be able to play 90% of big games released these days.

So, in my case, it just doesn't make sense to purchase a new computer. I have one that works and is just fine for all of my usual PC needs. I have a PS3 console for all of my gaming needs. It will play FFXIV just as well as it plays all my other PS3 games, no less. When I eventually want to make the leap up to the PS4 I can guarantee that I will buy the upgraded console versino of FFVIX as well.

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I'll be sticking to my PS1/PS2 for all of my gaming needs beyond what i can play on the PC. It isn't like anything exclusive and truly worth it has come out for a system since then anyway.


While this statement may be true, the reverse is also true. There hasn't really been much in the way of exclusives for the PC in a while, at least not many games that have captured my interest. Especially considering one of the big ones (Diablo 3) is coming to the PS3 very soon.

Also, PS+ is worth the (roughly) $50/year and then some. Easily in the past year I have downloaded over $300 worth of free games for my $50 entry fee off of PSN. All XBL Gold gives you is online access.
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I have to agree with ShadowEdge on this debate.


Also, PS+ is worth the (roughly) $50/year and then some. Easily in the past year I have downloaded over $300 worth of free games for my $50 entry fee off of PSN. All XBL Gold gives you is online access.


Been a while since you played on xbox live. They give away free games now too..
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I agree that is a biggie... All the Sony fanboys who put MS down for charging for live some how have justified it is good when Sony does it though... LOL


It's not the same thing. One service offers several benefits for paying other than the ability to go online and the latter makes you pay an arm and a leg just to be competitive on an online game. This isn't about fanboys, this is about dollars and cents. One is a true value while the latter is a ripoff.


Edited, Aug 13th 2013 2:23pm by ShadowedgeFFXI



What are you talking about?.. MS charged for xbox live. For years Sony fanboys bashed Live for being pay.
Now Sony is going to charge for the exact same thing. It has been free it is no longer going to be free. They both offer free games now. There is no difference except xbox live is actually a good service and the only thing ms has done right. live have ability to chat not just in-game chat is which is a good feature, something Sony has not figured out.
We would not have to worry about the developers putting in-game chat for FFXIV because it is not needed on the xbox.

Edited, Aug 13th 2013 3:35pm by Nashred


Plus is only required for online play and you get free games, online saves, and more. Netflix and other services don't require Plus, while they require Gold on Xbox. I'm guessing that is what is beign referred to.
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With the increase in console prices and paying to have to play online pc gaming will pick up. The gap narrows in cost especially as the console ages and becomes about the same speed as a mid or lower pc..


That's where the secret weapon by Sony comes into play. The future of gaming isn't on the PC as even those specs are diminishing. The future is cloud gaming which streams game data over the internet and using the input device(IE PS4) as a conduit for playing awesome games. I really shouldn't be talking about it, but this is my field and there is a reason Sony bought Gaikai. I'm just tired of hearing that consoles are outdated when cloud streaming will be the end of the PC advantage. By 3-4 years, Sony will be impressing people more than thought possible.
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Been a while since you played on xbox live. They give away free games now too..


It has been a while, and I actually forgot that they added this, read something about it a while ago. I would go out on a limb though and still mention that the games you have been given free access to on XBL do not compare in quality nor quantity to the games we have received through PS+ (which by the way has been giving away free stuff for YEARS). Also, it should be mentioned that $50 not only covers you for free PS3 games, it also nets you free PSVita games as well.

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Plus is only required for online play and you get free games, online saves, and more. Netflix and other services don't require Plus, while they require Gold on Xbox. I'm guessing that is what is beign referred to.


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I agree that is a biggie... All the Sony fanboys who put MS down for charging for live some how have justified it is good when Sony does it though... LOL


It's not the same thing. One service offers several benefits for paying other than the ability to go online and the latter makes you pay an arm and a leg just to be competitive on an online game. This isn't about fanboys, this is about dollars and cents. One is a true value while the latter is a ripoff.


Edited, Aug 13th 2013 2:23pm by ShadowedgeFFXI



What are you talking about?.. MS charged for xbox live. For years Sony fanboys bashed Live for being pay.
Now Sony is going to charge for the exact same thing. It has been free it is no longer going to be free. They both offer free games now. There is no difference except xbox live is actually a good service and the only thing ms has done right. live have ability to chat not just in-game chat is which is a good feature, something Sony has not figured out.
We would not have to worry about the developers putting in-game chat for FFXIV because it is not needed on the xbox.

Edited, Aug 13th 2013 3:35pm by Nashred


Plus is only required for online play and you get free games, online saves, and more. Netflix and other services don't require Plus, while they require Gold on Xbox. I'm guessing that is what is beign referred to.


Again MS has changed that.. They now give away free games, cloud saves etc. I just d/l free kinect games for free .
People really think MS would not start to do the same..
I do believe you still need gold for netflix though. Matter of fact whole games will be able to be saved not just games saves.
Xbox live is far Superior in this department I have both. Party chat, video chat better interface etc.





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Yeah but it's on an Xbox Smiley: tongue

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Again MS has changed that.. They now give away free games, cloud saves etc. I just d/l free kinect games for free .
People really think MS would not start to do the same..
I do believe you still need gold for netflix though. Matter of fact whole games will be able to be saved not just games saves.
Xbox live is far Superior in this department I have both. Party chat, video chat better interface etc.


Does anybody find it ironic that Nashred is quick to point out the changes Xbox Live has made, but yet somehow forgets that the PS4 is offering Cross Chat and other features at launch? This is the second time now he talks about voice chat.
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