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#1 Aug 14 2013 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok so I'm in a bit of a dilemma, trying to decide if it would be better for me to spend about 150$ to get windows 7 (currently have XP) along with 4GB of Ram (because I think my Ram is the main thing that bottlenecks my fps at times) OR spend about $50 more and just get a ps3... which will run the game at a higher visually appealing level?

Computer spec is as follows:

-Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
2814.465MB

-AMD Radeon HD 6670(VRAM 2048.0 MB)

-2.75 GB RAM (which is weird that my comp only displays that because i actually have 2x 2GB sticks installed)

my Motherboard is really old... XFX nForce 680i LT SLI

When I ran the benchmark at the highest resolution available to me (1440x900) on standard graphics I received a "High Performance" rating with an FPS of 41, and when I ran it with the same resolution on high graphics i received "Fairly High" for performance with FPS being 27.

My Concern is that with lots of people on the screen those FPS estimates will actually be alot lower because of my RAM, but maybe I also have other issues? So like i said i was thinking about upgrading to Windows 7 64 bit so I can make use of at least 4GB of ram, or do you think I'd just see better results with a ps3?
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#2 Aug 14 2013 at 6:24 PM Rating: Good
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PS3. It'll be your only source of eye-candy once you buy it.
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Skyance wrote:
PS3. It'll be your only source of eye-candy once you buy it.


Even though the benchmark ran at "fairly high" and "high" with zero issues? Can you elaborate?
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PS3. It'll be your only source of eye-candy once you buy it.


Even though the benchmark ran at "fairly high" and "high" with zero issues? Can you elaborate?


PS3 runs at what a PC would score medium settings. If you scored higher than 2500 on the latest benchmark, PS3 would be a downgrade.
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Ok so I'm in a bit of a dilemma, trying to decide if it would be better for me to spend about 150$ to get windows 7 (currently have XP) along with 4GB of Ram (because I think my Ram is the main thing that bottlenecks my fps at times) OR spend about $50 more and just get a ps3... which will run the game at a higher visually appealing level?

Computer spec is as follows:

-Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
2814.465MB

-AMD Radeon HD 6670(VRAM 2048.0 MB)

-2.75 GB RAM (which is weird that my comp only displays that because i actually have 2x 2GB sticks installed)

my Motherboard is really old... XFX nForce 680i LT SLI

When I ran the benchmark at the highest resolution available to me (1440x900) on standard graphics I received a "High Performance" rating with an FPS of 41, and when I ran it with the same resolution on high graphics i received "Fairly High" for performance with FPS being 27.

My Concern is that with lots of people on the screen those FPS estimates will actually be alot lower because of my RAM, but maybe I also have other issues? So like i said i was thinking about upgrading to Windows 7 64 bit so I can make use of at least 4GB of ram, or do you think I'd just see better results with a ps3?


You have 4 GB RAM and 2 GB VRAM which is a total of 6 GB, but if you're running 32-bit Windows, it can only handle 4GB max. You'll definitely want to switch to 64-bit.

But that aside, reviews of the Radeon HD 6670 say that it only works well at lower resolutions. The further you tread into HD territory, the fps takes a marked hit. So it really depends on what "The Most Important Thing" is to you. If you can live with running the game at 720p, which is what you'd get with the PS3 anyway, you'll probably be happy with the frame rate. But going past that will get more aggravating the further you go, even with more RAM on the board.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
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PS3. It'll be your only source of eye-candy once you buy it.


Even though the benchmark ran at "fairly high" and "high" with zero issues? Can you elaborate?


PS3 runs at what a PC would score medium settings. If you scored higher than 2500 on the latest benchmark, PS3 would be a downgrade.


Alright, yea I scored a 4582 on standard settings with 1440x900 res (the highest it allowed me to select).
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Ok so I'm in a bit of a dilemma, trying to decide if it would be better for me to spend about 150$ to get windows 7 (currently have XP) along with 4GB of Ram (because I think my Ram is the main thing that bottlenecks my fps at times) OR spend about $50 more and just get a ps3... which will run the game at a higher visually appealing level?

Computer spec is as follows:

-Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
2814.465MB

-AMD Radeon HD 6670(VRAM 2048.0 MB)

-2.75 GB RAM (which is weird that my comp only displays that because i actually have 2x 2GB sticks installed)

my Motherboard is really old... XFX nForce 680i LT SLI

When I ran the benchmark at the highest resolution available to me (1440x900) on standard graphics I received a "High Performance" rating with an FPS of 41, and when I ran it with the same resolution on high graphics i received "Fairly High" for performance with FPS being 27.

My Concern is that with lots of people on the screen those FPS estimates will actually be alot lower because of my RAM, but maybe I also have other issues? So like i said i was thinking about upgrading to Windows 7 64 bit so I can make use of at least 4GB of ram, or do you think I'd just see better results with a ps3?


You have 4 GB RAM and 2 GB VRAM which is a total of 6 GB, but if you're running 32-bit Windows, it can only handle 4GB max. You'll definitely want to switch to 64-bit.

But that aside, reviews of the Radeon HD 6670 say that it only works well at lower resolutions. The further you tread into HD territory, the fps takes a marked hit. So it really depends on what "The Most Important Thing" is to you. If you can live with running the game at 720p, which is what you'd get with the PS3 anyway, you'll probably be happy with the frame rate. But going past that will get more aggravating the further you go, even with more RAM on the board.



Well if thats the only issue holding me back with my specs (i.e. not my processor or motherboard) then I can live with that because I can certainly upgrade my video card in the not too distant future. Just didnt know if my comp was un-salvagable which would make getting the ps3 a superior option. But yea it seems I will most likely just buy the game for PC, run it with my current specs (XP included) for a bit until i buy windows 7 64 bit and some ram, then upgrade vid card later on down the road. Im sure the game will look fine for now running on standard settings.

Question: Why is 1440x900 the highest res I can select? Is it because I have a cheap monitor or something?
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I think you would be better off upgrading your PC. From what I've seen the FPS on the PS3 version is terrible. With pretty much nothing around my g/f had to have been getting 20fps max on PS3. I don't think that there are many graphic settings that you can tweak on the PS3 version either. I'm sure your PC could run it at a much higher FPS than the PS3. Besides, from what I've seen there is minimal difference between the minimum and maximum settings aside from bloom and lighting.

On top of all of that you also have the PS4 coming out if that's your thing. The game will be released on it as well and will most likely not perform like a legless giraffe.
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If you upgrade ur gpu then the3 cpu will become your bottle neck. Id say play with what you have for now. Btw I play on 4gb of ram with no issues. Of course more is better but then ud need W7. I would start saving up for a new pc is all :p
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If you upgrade ur gpu then the3 cpu will become your bottle neck. Id say play with what you have for now. Btw I play on 4gb of ram with no issues. Of course more is better but then ud need W7. I would start saving up for a new pc is all :p



I think technically XP 32bit can only use about 3GB or ram so I'm not really playing on 4GB.. Maybe if i upgraded to windows 7 64bit Id see a little improvement in terms of getting more out of my ram... so you think my cpu is that bad that I'm better off saving for a whole new computer huh?
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Athlon 64 X2 5600+ (2.9ghz), 4gm of ram and Radeon HD6700 here.

Bottleneck is the CPU. I get a good benchmark (more than 5000, I forget the exact number). However the game stuttered a lot in phase 2 and 3. Not unplayable exactly, but not great. The PS3 is definitely not a downgrade. The graphics are not as crisp, sure, but the gameplay is smooth. No slowdown ever. And to me that's more important.
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Athlon 64 X2 5600+ (2.9ghz), 4gm of ram and Radeon HD6700 here.

Bottleneck is the CPU. I get a good benchmark (more than 5000, I forget the exact number). However the game stuttered a lot in phase 2 and 3. Not unplayable exactly, but not great. The PS3 is definitely not a downgrade. The graphics are not as crisp, sure, but the gameplay is smooth. No slowdown ever. And to me that's more important.


So with those specs you're choosing PS3 instead? What graphics settings were you experiencing the stuttering on, standard?
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So with those specs you're choosing PS3 instead? What graphics settings were you experiencing the stuttering on, standard?


Any setting. It doesn't mean you'll experience the same, of course.

I would probably be fine if I upgraded the CPU, it's just capped to 100% when I play. But I've got a PS3, and absolutely loved playing on it during phase 3, so I went ahead and bought the game for it.

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The PS3 is definitely not a downgrade. The graphics are not as crisp, sure, but the gameplay is smooth. No slowdown ever. And to me that's more important.


Solid advice about the CPU being the bottleneck.

I will say that if he runs the game with the hardware he has on the standard graphics, he's going to get the same performance from PC if he scored a 2500. It's not worth a few hundred bucks to sidegrade to a PS3 when he could spend the money on a CPU and get better than PS3 performance. That's what I meant by a downgrade. Spending money for no real gain in performance.
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The PS3 is definitely not a downgrade. The graphics are not as crisp, sure, but the gameplay is smooth. No slowdown ever. And to me that's more important.


Solid advice about the CPU being the bottleneck.

I will say that if he runs the game with the hardware he has on the standard graphics, he's going to get the same performance from PC if he scored a 2500. It's not worth a few hundred bucks to sidegrade to a PS3 when he could spend the money on a CPU and get better than PS3 performance. That's what I meant by a downgrade. Spending money for no real gain in performance.


So, if I buy a new CPU (which I know nothing about so it wont be easy finding one that is compatible with all my other components) then I can just install that and things will be better? Is a CPU easy to just switch out or would i be better off saving for new system entirely?
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So, if I buy a new CPU (which I know nothing about so it wont be easy finding one that is compatible with all my other components) then I can just install that and things will be better? Is a CPU easy to just switch out or would i be better off saving for new system entirely?

Before you do that, make sure it's the CPU. Run the windows task manager cpu monitor and watch it and your memory graphs.

Also, be careful here. Your CPU is old enough that an upgrade for that socket type might not be available. Getting a newer CPU means a new MB, new RAM, etc.

Edit: Additional note, with the PS4 coming soon, you might want to stick with what you have for now and then make a decision then.

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lol, I got subdefaulted the other day for saying that PCs are far more powerful than the PS3. It seems like the PS3 guys are very protective of their box :)


OP, for the love of all that is holy and otherwise, get a new computer.
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So, if I buy a new CPU (which I know nothing about so it wont be easy finding one that is compatible with all my other components) then I can just install that and things will be better? Is a CPU easy to just switch out or would i be better off saving for new system entirely?


Edit: Additional note, with the PS4 coming soon, you might want to stick with what you have for now and then make a decision then.

Edited, Aug 15th 2013 12:42am by AragalAyreth


Yea good point... $399 for a PS4 or $1,000 for a decent PC upgrade. Only drawback is, FFXIV wont be playable on ps4 at launch and not for some time afterwards ><
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The PS3 is definitely not a downgrade. The graphics are not as crisp, sure, but the gameplay is smooth. No slowdown ever. And to me that's more important.


Solid advice about the CPU being the bottleneck.

I will say that if he runs the game with the hardware he has on the standard graphics, he's going to get the same performance from PC if he scored a 2500. It's not worth a few hundred bucks to sidegrade to a PS3 when he could spend the money on a CPU and get better than PS3 performance. That's what I meant by a downgrade. Spending money for no real gain in performance.


So, if I buy a new CPU (which I know nothing about so it wont be easy finding one that is compatible with all my other components) then I can just install that and things will be better? Is a CPU easy to just switch out or would i be better off saving for new system entirely?


Well the suggestion was to get a new GPU(graphics card), but in doing that your CPU becomes a bottleneck. Basically, your GPU is too powerful and because you're not running at high resolution, you have more graphics power than your CPU(and display) is capable of keeping up with.

Honestly, my suggestion is to stay where you're at now. You can run the standard settings(which is basically what PS3 users are defaulted to) and still have some room to tweak a few settings for quality while keeping your FPS in a comfortable zone. As a reference, most movies you go to are running reels of film that spit out 24 FPS and it's pretty fluid to the eye. I'd say you don't actually have to upgrade unless you want to.

If you've got money to burn then a GPU will still be your best bet despite any bottleneck. A bottleneck isn't guaranteed and will depend on which GPU you get, but you can still pick up a cheap fan for your CPU. It's fairly easy to overclock. If you did decide to go with a new processor you don't have to worry about any of the other components in your machine. As long as the CPU is socket type LGA775 then it will work in the motherboard you have.


Edited, Aug 15th 2013 12:55am by FilthMcNasty
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OP, for the love of all that is holy and otherwise, get a new computer.


Lol, well, it's not so easy when you've just started receiving all your student loan repayment bills in the mail after graduating and still havent found the job you want. So if you're willing to fund the new computer, I'll gladly give you my paypal :D
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
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The PS3 is definitely not a downgrade. The graphics are not as crisp, sure, but the gameplay is smooth. No slowdown ever. And to me that's more important.


Solid advice about the CPU being the bottleneck.

I will say that if he runs the game with the hardware he has on the standard graphics, he's going to get the same performance from PC if he scored a 2500. It's not worth a few hundred bucks to sidegrade to a PS3 when he could spend the money on a CPU and get better than PS3 performance. That's what I meant by a downgrade. Spending money for no real gain in performance.


So, if I buy a new CPU (which I know nothing about so it wont be easy finding one that is compatible with all my other components) then I can just install that and things will be better? Is a CPU easy to just switch out or would i be better off saving for new system entirely?


Well the suggestion was to get a new GPU(graphics card), but in doing that your CPU becomes a bottleneck. Basically, your GPU is too powerful and because you're not running at high resolution, you have more graphics power than your CPU(and display) is capable of keeping up with.

Honestly, my suggestion is to stay where you're at now. You can run the standard settings(which is basically what PS3 users are defaulted to) and still have some room to tweak a few settings for quality while keeping your FPS in a comfortable zone. As a reference, most movies you go to are running reels of film that spit out 24 FPS and it's pretty fluid to the eye. I'd say you don't actually have to upgrade unless you want to.

If you've got money to burn then a GPU will still be your best bet despite any bottleneck. A bottleneck isn't guaranteed and will depend on which GPU you get, but you can still pick up a cheap fan for your CPU. It's fairly easy to overclock. If you did decide to go with a new processor you don't have to worry about any of the other components in your machine. As long as the CPU is socket type LGA775 then it will work in the motherboard you have.


Edited, Aug 15th 2013 12:55am by FilthMcNasty


I appreciate the solid advice you gave, I only wish I was a bit more computer savy to really comprehend it all better. I wasn't exactly a computer programming major but I guess I understand the gist of it. My only worry is not loading multiple people on the screen or having short draw distances (those are things that just bug me).

Also, I think I'll take your advice and just stick with this for now, then later on I can decide if I want to swap to the ps4 when it comes out OR upgrade both my CPU and GPU (which I'm assuming is really all I really need to do and is cheaper than buying a whole new computer right?). Sorry for having to make everything black and white for me, I'm really not computer educated at all. My biggest accomplishments ever that are computer related are installing my own power supply and GPU with youtube lol.


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Buying a PS3 at this late in the game is a short-sighted decision. The PS4 is close and will be graphically on par with higher end PCs. So you're best low dollar bet is to probably upgrade the OS (order Windows 7 online from newegg for $99). I'm going to go out on a limb and say your memory is probably not going to affect the performance if you've got 4 GB of system and 2 GB of video memory. The only reason to run more than that is usually photo & video editing. You'd be better off putting in lower latency memory, or the fastest memory compatible with the trinity (mobo, processor, ram). One way to find that out is to check the product datasheets for the fastest common denominator across all three and run that. Consider looking at a Radeon 6750 or 7750 instead of the memory as well, that might be all you need. Lastly, the best part about keeping/upgrading your PC is that you can use it for what the internet was made for... ****.
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Also, I think I'll take your advice and just stick with this for now, then later on I can decide if I want to swap to the ps4 when it comes out OR upgrade both my CPU and GPU (which I'm assuming is really all I really need to do and is cheaper than buying a whole new computer right?). Sorry for having to make everything black and white for me, I'm really not computer educated at all. My biggest accomplishments ever that are computer related are installing my own power supply and GPU with youtube lol.


Always best to wait it out if you can and you seem to be in good enough shape that even if you don't upgrade right away, at least you're not suffering. If you want to go at it piece by piece you should start with the GPU. You already have the experience and it's the most plug-and-play friendly upgrade. LGA775 is an older socket type and if you decide you want a better CPU with a different socket it will require getting the CPU, motherboard and possibly RAM as well.

If you're wanting to save up and get everything at the same time, you can probably find a package deal with little to no assembly required for about as much as it costs to upgrade everything. Definitely check into that because it's probably the best bang for the buck and the least headache. It used to be that you could spend $1500 on hardware to run this game and still only barely eek out good performance at high settings. Based on the results I've seen from people posting their benchmarks, the hardware to achieve 7k+(Extremely High) scores is around $600-$700 range; maybe less considering you already have a monitor, mouse, keyboard, ect.

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You'd be better off putting in lower latency memory, or the fastest memory compatible with the trinity

Low latency RAM isn't worth the cost if you already have RAM. That's only something you should even consider if you're buying it new and it's just a difference of a few bucks. Not enough of a boost in performance to warrant scrapping old RAM for new.




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Also, I think I'll take your advice and just stick with this for now, then later on I can decide if I want to swap to the ps4 when it comes out OR upgrade both my CPU and GPU (which I'm assuming is really all I really need to do and is cheaper than buying a whole new computer right?). Sorry for having to make everything black and white for me, I'm really not computer educated at all. My biggest accomplishments ever that are computer related are installing my own power supply and GPU with youtube lol.


Always best to wait it out if you can and you seem to be in good enough shape that even if you don't upgrade right away, at least you're not suffering. If you want to go at it piece by piece you should start with the GPU. You already have the experience and it's the most plug-and-play friendly upgrade. LGA775 is an older socket type and if you decide you want a better CPU with a different socket it will require getting the CPU, motherboard and possibly RAM as well.

If you're wanting to save up and get everything at the same time, you can probably find a package deal with little to no assembly required for about as much as it costs to upgrade everything. Definitely check into that because it's probably the best bang for the buck and the least headache. It used to be that you could spend $1500 on hardware to run this game and still only barely eek out good performance at high settings. Based on the results I've seen from people posting their benchmarks, the hardware to achieve 7k+(Extremely High) scores is around $600-$700 range; maybe less considering you already have a monitor, mouse, keyboard, ect.

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You'd be better off putting in lower latency memory, or the fastest memory compatible with the trinity

Low latency RAM isn't worth the cost if you already have RAM. That's only something you should even consider if you're buying it new and it's just a difference of a few bucks. Not enough of a boost in performance to warrant scrapping old RAM for new.




Edited, Aug 15th 2013 2:37am by FilthMcNasty


With all due respect, Filth, if he's running on a 32-bit operating system, he's not even taking full advantage of what he has now. He's only using a fraction of his available RAM and VRAM. A new GPU isn't going to solve this.

Phoenix, the first step has to be switching to 64-bit Windows to make full use of your computer's memory and then guage the performance improvement before taking the next step. Then Filth's advice makes sense if you want to keep going.

Are sure you're running on 32bits? If you go to Start > Right-click Computer (or My Computer) > Properties, does it say you are using a 32-bit operating system (or at least, it doesn't say you're using 64)?
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With all due respect, Filth, if he's running on a 32-bit operating system, he's not even taking full advantage of what he has now. He's only using a fraction of his available RAM and VRAM. A new GPU isn't going to solve this.

Phoenix, the first step has to be switching to 64-bit Windows to make full use of your computer's memory and then guage the performance improvement before taking the next step. Then Filth's advice makes sense if you want to keep going.

Are sure you're running on 32bits? If you go to Start > Right-click Computer (or My Computer) > Properties, does it say you are using a 32-bit operating system (or at least, it doesn't say you're using 64)?

How much RAM is FFXIV using? Download process viewer and check for me. I'd do it myself, but I'm not playing until release.

Respect due, 32-bit systems still make use of more than 75% of the RAM if you've got 4GB. You're not 'making use' of the extra .8ish GB of RAM if you're not actually using it.

Only using a fraction of his RAM... that fraction is roughly(but slightly larger than) 3/4 Smiley: nod



Edited, Aug 15th 2013 6:21am by FilthMcNasty
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Also, I think I'll take your advice and just stick with this for now, then later on I can decide if I want to swap to the ps4 when it comes out OR upgrade both my CPU and GPU (which I'm assuming is really all I really need to do and is cheaper than buying a whole new computer right?). Sorry for having to make everything black and white for me, I'm really not computer educated at all. My biggest accomplishments ever that are computer related are installing my own power supply and GPU with youtube lol.


Always best to wait it out if you can and you seem to be in good enough shape that even if you don't upgrade right away, at least you're not suffering. If you want to go at it piece by piece you should start with the GPU. You already have the experience and it's the most plug-and-play friendly upgrade. LGA775 is an older socket type and if you decide you want a better CPU with a different socket it will require getting the CPU, motherboard and possibly RAM as well.

If you're wanting to save up and get everything at the same time, you can probably find a package deal with little to no assembly required for about as much as it costs to upgrade everything. Definitely check into that because it's probably the best bang for the buck and the least headache. It used to be that you could spend $1500 on hardware to run this game and still only barely eek out good performance at high settings. Based on the results I've seen from people posting their benchmarks, the hardware to achieve 7k+(Extremely High) scores is around $600-$700 range; maybe less considering you already have a monitor, mouse, keyboard, ect.

desmar wrote:
You'd be better off putting in lower latency memory, or the fastest memory compatible with the trinity

Low latency RAM isn't worth the cost if you already have RAM. That's only something you should even consider if you're buying it new and it's just a difference of a few bucks. Not enough of a boost in performance to warrant scrapping old RAM for new.




Edited, Aug 15th 2013 2:37am by FilthMcNasty


With all due respect, Filth, if he's running on a 32-bit operating system, he's not even taking full advantage of what he has now. He's only using a fraction of his available RAM and VRAM. A new GPU isn't going to solve this.

Phoenix, the first step has to be switching to 64-bit Windows to make full use of your computer's memory and then guage the performance improvement before taking the next step. Then Filth's advice makes sense if you want to keep going.

Are sure you're running on 32bits? If you go to Start > Right-click Computer (or My Computer) > Properties, does it say you are using a 32-bit operating system (or at least, it doesn't say you're using 64)?


Right clicking on on my computer doesnt say whether or not I have 32 bit or 64 bit however I'm pretty sure that I've seen somewhere that it's 32bit, in addition to that when I look at how much ram my comp has, it only displays 2.75GB when I have 4GB installed, so it would make sense to me that I have 32 bit seeing as how 32 bit doesn't utilize all of it...
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Buying a PS3 at this late in the game is a short-sighted decision. The PS4 is close and will be graphically on par with higher end PCs. So you're best low dollar bet is to probably upgrade the OS (order Windows 7 online from newegg for $99). I'm going to go out on a limb and say your memory is probably not going to affect the performance if you've got 4 GB of system and 2 GB of video memory. The only reason to run more than that is usually photo & video editing. You'd be better off putting in lower latency memory, or the fastest memory compatible with the trinity (mobo, processor, ram). One way to find that out is to check the product datasheets for the fastest common denominator across all three and run that. Consider looking at a Radeon 6750 or 7750 instead of the memory as well, that might be all you need. Lastly, the best part about keeping/upgrading your PC is that you can use it for what the internet was made for... ****.


I'm gonna have to disagree on that one. It varies immensely based on your perspective. I bought a PS3 a month or two ago, knowing full well it's at the end of its life cyle. Yet I don't regret the purchase, far from it. It will still play all the great games that it played since its release, many of which I have yet to play (and they're cheaper now). Plus XIV won't be on the PS4 for a while anyway.

I know that graphics are not as good looking on a PS3, but you know what? I don't care. The games just work. I don't have to update my drivers. I don't have to buy a new sound card because for some reason the onboard one crapped out suddenly. I don't have to spend time troubleshooting whatever Windows is up to this time. I don't have to mess with custom drivers to make my non xinput controllers work. I don't have to work for it. I just turn it on and play the games.

If it's fun for you to mess with your computer, I can understand that perfectly. Been there. But some people just want to play the game and not worry about the rest.
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If Im running WoW at almost 100 fps in zones where there arent hardly any people on the screen but drop to 20 when there's like 50+ people on the screen, would it be my CPU or Ram that's bottlenecking me at that point?
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If Im running WoW at almost 100 fps in zones where there arent hardly any people on the screen but drop to 20 when there's like 50+ people on the screen, would it be my CPU or Ram that's bottlenecking me at that point?


Sorry for the vague answer, but it's really hard to say. WoW itself isn't a very intensive program, but it can use addons which can put a larger burden on your GPU, CPU, RAM and in some cases even your hard drive. My gut reaction would be that it's GPU/CPU related.
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