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#1 Aug 15 2013 at 1:37 PM Rating: Default
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this was taken from the phase 3 feedback devpost


We are thinking about having flying mounts that actually fly in the sky be a part of a large expansion in the future. We can't promise a time period, but this is something quite important to us, so please look forward to a future announcement.


Edit: Here is the link to a lengthy dev post http://forum.square-enix.com/ARR-Test/threads/99352-FFXIV-A-Realm-Reborn-Beta-Phase-3-Player-Feedback-Status-List?p=1221404#post1221404

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#3 Aug 15 2013 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Added link, but youll need beta access to see
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Or you could just use the Wiki article I added and posted about earlier today:

http://ffxiv.zam.com/wiki/Feedback_Status_%28FFXIV%29
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I was here pointing out the fact there will be flying mounts. I did find it interesting they said no chat bubbles ever due to memory issues, is this because of the PS3 holding it back?
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The memory issues they are referring to is that players have forgotten how irritating chat bubbles are.
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Ehllfire wrote:
I was here pointing out the fact there will be flying mounts. I did find it interesting they said no chat bubbles ever due to memory issues, is this because of the PS3 holding it back?


I was responding to your comment about needing beta forum access, not the fact that you started a thread specifically about flying mounts.
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Wint wrote:
Ehllfire wrote:
I was here pointing out the fact there will be flying mounts. I did find it interesting they said no chat bubbles ever due to memory issues, is this because of the PS3 holding it back?


I was responding to your comment about needing beta forum access, not the fact that you started a thread specifically about flying mounts.

Gotcha. Well whats your take? I personally dont mind, having never played a mmo with a flying mount in it.
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I'll just wait and see what they come up with. I wasn't thrilled about the unicorn mount, but the Coerl made up for it. Hopefully they can find something from FF canon for it, **** personal Airships would be pretty *********
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[quote=Wint]I'll just wait and see what they come up with. I wasn't thrilled about the unicorn mount, but the Coerl made up for it. Hopefully they can find something from FF canon for it, **** personal Airships would be pretty *****************

Unicorn does seem silly, but not as silly as a choco wearing a blm hat.
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I'm probably in the minority here, but I actually don't have a problem with flying mounts. I quite enjoyed my flying mount in WoW. I also liked that you could only use it in certain areas, which I think is how it should be. People say it ruins immersion and stops you from enjoying the details in the game, but I actually thought the opposite in WoW. I would spend HOURS just flying around, mining nodes, and enjoying the scenery from above. I wouldn't be opposed to flying mounts in ARR, but I'd like them to only be available in certain areas... like maybe the new continent has a special breed of chocobos that learned to fly due to high altitudes or something, but they can only effectively breath on this continent. There are definitely ways to fit it into the story without making it unbelievable.

Also, personal airships would be epic.
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[quote=Wint]I'll just wait and see what they come up with. I wasn't thrilled about the unicorn mount, but the Coerl made up for it. Hopefully they can find something from FF canon for it, **** personal Airships would be pretty *****************
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[quote=Wint]I'll just wait and see what they come up with. I wasn't thrilled about the unicorn mount, but the Coerl made up for it. Hopefully they can find something from FF canon for it, **** personal Airships would be pretty *****************

^ this. I'd forgo FC housing for an FC airship.
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Ehllfire wrote:
Unicorn does seem silly, but not as silly as a choco wearing a blm hat.


Aha! Thanks so much for the idea. I finally have a fitting avatar again. That is just my kind of silly!


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Unicorn does seem silly, but not as silly as a choco wearing a blm hat.


This quote is just awesome.
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When flying mounts were first announced in WoW I was excited, after playing that game for so long with them.. I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I think they diminish multiple facets of the game.

I couldn't imagine having flying mounts in FFXI, I think it would have done exactly what it did to WoW, making the world feel a whole lot smaller, and decreasing the difficulty and immersion of the game. Traveling to a far and dangerous place should feel like an epic journey, throw in flying mounts and it's just a hop, skip, and a jump away. I respect the opinions and views of those who would disagree with me but I don't think there's anyway I could be convinced that flying mounts are a good thing for a game like this. And they are even worse for a game like WoW with world pvp being completely ruined.

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I'd rather have some magiteked version of a motorcycle myself. Will never happen but I'd like it.
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[quote=Wint]I'll just wait and see what they come up with. I wasn't thrilled about the unicorn mount, but the Coerl made up for it. Hopefully they can find something from FF canon for it, **** personal Airships would be pretty *****************

It's driving me nuts how many people think a unicorn doesn't fit in final fantasy.

Dude it was a summon in FF V and FF VI and also made an appearance in the tactics games. The item unicorn horn has also shown up in several other final fantasy games.

Look ; http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Unicorn_(Summon)
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The only thing WoW did "wrong", and it's a very subjective wrong that may not be wrong at all, was allow flying pretty much everywhere and coupled that with portals for quick travel. WoW learned from that mistake, and I'm sure SE has by now as well. I think flying fast-travel works pretty well for travel though "old" or dated content, and forcing you to the ground feels right for current content.
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[quote=Wint]I'll just wait and see what they come up with. I wasn't thrilled about the unicorn mount, but the Coerl made up for it. Hopefully they can find something from FF canon for it, **** personal Airships would be pretty *****************

It's driving me nuts how many people think a unicorn doesn't fit in final fantasy.

Dude it was a summon in FF V and FF VI and also made an appearance in the tactics games. The item unicorn horn has also shown up in several other final fantasy games.

Look ; http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Unicorn_(Summon)


I didn't say it wasn't, I said I wasn't thrilled with it. It just doesn't look like it fits with the other mounts in my opinion.
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At first i thought a flying mount would be cool, granted i do love the flying eye mount, but after reading Phoenix's comment, i have to agree. The journey was part of the fun, if i can literally hope on my flying whatever and go somewhere in a minute or two, i would feel that the world is incredibly small.
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Hopefully if they do add flying mounts they will be area specific. They were nifty in TBC and WotLK because they made interesting areas that incorporated being able to fly around. I hated it when they allowed flying mounts to be used in the Vanilla areas. It made the world feel much smaller and more often than not you just flew up really high and ignored the scenery to get to your destination quickly.

All of the loading between zones the current areas would not be ideal for flying mounts, especially considering that by themselves they are all fairly small. I do however think it would be awesome to gain access to flying mounts in some giant zone with floating islands, sort of like Riverne. Just so long as they still continue to add non flying zones as well. They could do quite a few awesome things with the idea, hopefully they don't muck up previous areas in the process.
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I was bummed about the addition of flying mounts in WoW because WoW has open world PvP, and flying ruined that. ARR however is a PvE game, so why not? Then again, the zones are small and zoned, so I don't see much of a point either. How would they add flying mounts and combat the invisible wall issue?
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I'd like to think that if they're investigating flying, they're also looking into merging the game into a larger, seamless zone than the broken up zones it has today. Yoshi said in an interview a long time ago that they didn't have the time to rebuild the game into a seamless world, but it's a possibility with a large future patch or expansion to rewrite and merge some zones. I agree though, it doesn't seem like something worth doing with the zone sizes we have coming up for launch.
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At first i thought a flying mount would be cool, granted i do love the flying eye mount, but after reading Phoenix's comment, i have to agree. The journey was part of the fun, if i can literally hope on my flying whatever and go somewhere in a minute or two, i would feel that the world is incredibly small.


I'm pretty sure that the Ahriman mount will just hover, giving the impression of flight, but still being restricted to ground travel.
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I was bummed about the addition of flying mounts in WoW because WoW has open world PvP, and flying ruined that.


Brings back memories of that Southpark WoW episode with the PvP.

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I guess it doesn't seem like something I would necessarily want them to work on.

I mean, I would take a single new class over flight, easily. I guess because so many other MMORPGs have flying mounts already.

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Flying mounts PVP battles!! GO!
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At first i thought a flying mount would be cool, granted i do love the flying eye mount, but after reading Phoenix's comment, i have to agree. The journey was part of the fun, if i can literally hope on my flying whatever and go somewhere in a minute or two, i would feel that the world is incredibly small.


I'm pretty sure that the Ahriman mount will just hover, giving the impression of flight, but still being restricted to ground travel.


Indeed, in the footage they have shown it just hovers slightly above the ground. It almost looks like it is skipping merrily along.
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When flying mounts were first announced in WoW I was excited, after playing that game for so long with them.. I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I think they diminish multiple facets of the game.

I couldn't imagine having flying mounts in FFXI, I think it would have done exactly what it did to WoW, making the world feel a whole lot smaller, and decreasing the difficulty and immersion of the game. Traveling to a far and dangerous place should feel like an epic journey, throw in flying mounts and it's just a hop, skip, and a jump away. I respect the opinions and views of those who would disagree with me but I don't think there's anyway I could be convinced that flying mounts are a good thing for a game like this. And they are even worse for a game like WoW with world pvp being completely ruined.

This argument could be made against any form of travel if it is faster in all cases. You could say teleporting ruins immersion and sense of scale. Yet, people still use it to get around faster, still use chocobos, and walk.

A few years ago there was a group of people who said jumping kills immersion. But freedom of travel is one of the joys of experiencing a world in different ways. EQN is taking the concept of jump and adding parkour functionality to it to add flair.

Just because it worked a certain way in X game doesn't mean it will be the same way in Y game. That is a fallacy. The assumption is that there would be no kind of limitation or way of implementing things differently. Nothing is the world is black and white, there are always shades of grey. It's perception that usually makes it black and white.

Let's tackle some ideas to combat assumptions we have:
1.First off we determine , what kind of assumptions do we have?

Assumption: Flying will be the fastest mount in the game.
Solution: It could be the slowest mount in the game in terms of speed. It could be a hot air balloon, a glider, or just a slower mount.

Assumption: Flying will allow us to bypass all danger.
Solution: The mount could be restricted in the places it can land. They could add flying enemies like espers, sky pirates, or weather to ground you in places you don't want to fly.

Assumption: Flying is the best way to travel to any destination.
Solution: This mount can be restricted about where it could land. There could be areas traversable only by other types of mounts such as underwater or underground mounts. Maybe even outer space mounts like the whale from FF4. Throw in geography like lava fields or snow fields. Maybe aquiring certain barding could grant heat resistance or cold resistance.That barding might be unavailable to flying mounts.

Assumption: If there is no restriction on flying, no will use chocobos or other mounts anymore.
Solution: Maybe a stamina or resource mechanic like fuel or mist could be added. This resource could be limited in quantities like only refillable once per real life day and grant you one hour of flying time per fill up.

Assumption: Why do we need flying, if there is no content or purpose for it besides travel.
Solution: They can make content to make it needed. Flying or floating cities or dungeons like XI sky, or a city like the Chrono Trigger game had. They can have PvP specified hotzones just like the ground game is getting in frontlines.

Assumption: I shouldn't be able to fly and skip over world design or artwork.
Solution: They could design it to be a high level perk. And design limitations to it like you can't fly to areas you haven't visited before.

I support flying, I support swimming, I support tunneling, I support space travel, I support time travel. If it is implemented the right way. And the right way can't be known until, it happens or is experienced. My perception might be different from yours and your perception might be different from mine. That's the way the world works. It's the perception that makes something true to each person.

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I feel like flying mounts ruin the game... =/
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ALionheart wrote:
I feel like flying mounts ruin the game... =/


I dont think they'd disappoint us, Im willing to try it out having never played an mmo with one (and Ive played several and no I dont count champions or DCUO as flying mounts) . They game has my support even with the couple of flaws it has (looking at you leve limits/cd's and ugly summons)
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i will kill for a levitate spell, flying on mount is nice but flying as character is awesome :D
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There was something uniquely charming about having to get around on foot, or on chocobo in FFXI. I'd rather not have flying mounts.
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Flying mounts aren't that bad I mean I liked them in WoW so why not in FF? But I would prefer personal or LS airships over a flying mount any day. And not that airships gnomes used to have in WoW please I mean normal FF style airships!
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