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#1 Aug 18 2013 at 7:42 AM Rating: Default
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I found FFXIV unlike FFXI, spliting up the japanese and US/canadian and european players but giving them specific servers is a bad idea.

One thing i love about FFXI is you can log in any time in the hour action never ends.

But the way FFXIV setup really make me worries about the game future. It will definitely end up like WoW, heavy queue , heavy camp during peak hour, and Dead hours afterward where no one plays.

If anything like besieged to happen, the server won't last long enough and will suffer every defeat.




Edited, Aug 18th 2013 9:46am by wrongfeifong
#2 Aug 18 2013 at 7:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think you lost your focus for the purpose of this topic.

You think that splitting the communities with servers is a bad thing? Why? The language barrier alone is enough to split the community WITHIN the servers, like in FFXI. Why NOT split the communities with their own servers so that doesn't happen?

I honestly think it's a good idea and it doesn't make it a WoW clone or whatever clone because of that.
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#3 Aug 18 2013 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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Other games with even narrower communities than this don't have any problem having people around and things to do at all hours.
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#4 Aug 18 2013 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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The servers were split so the NA folks could have the datacenter on their continent. It's in Montreal. (EU now have to cross an ocean, so I'm not sure how that's a win for them.)
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#5 Aug 18 2013 at 7:51 AM Rating: Default
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i am sure more FFXI'er agree with me.

One of the best experience they have was to be able to play across the language barrier. If you never did FFXI, you prolly never experience that.

When you log in now, how do you feel? city fill with players great right? But this will die down off peak hour. But in FFXI, city like jeuno or whitegate never have this problem 24 hours population around 2000-4000. That's why it is a great community, it feel lively.

FFXIV spitting the community is a fallen of their MMO model, their MMO motto is to have cross platform, cross nation players. It is why we have translation tabs for each players that translate words into whatever client language you use.

What is the point of using those translation when we know all japanese are in japanese server and european are on the other?

none.
#6 Aug 18 2013 at 7:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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i am sure more FFXI'er agree with me.

One of the best experience they have was to be able to play across the language barrier. If you never did FFXI, you prolly never experience that.


Virtually the entire population of this forum also played FFXI.

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When you log in now, how do you feel? city fill with players great right? But this will die down off peak hour. But in FFXI, city like jeuno or whitegate never have this problem 24 hours population around 2000-4000. That's why it is a great community, it feel lively.


Having a bunch of people around isn't the same as having a community.
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Yeah, I experienced ten years of prejudice in XI because of Japanese only parties. I experienced discrimination in my own linkshell at one point because half the shell was bilingual English/French and I can't speak French, so that group would often have entire conversations without me. I experienced half the population not being on at my times, so that when I log in at 7PM EST there are only around 200 people for me to interact with, because the other 1000 will log in three hours later (PST heavy server.)

I still play XI by the way.

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#8 Aug 18 2013 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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Virtually the entire population of this forum also played FFXI.


Correct, I played FFXI for almost 10 years and I disagree with merging the two.

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When you log in now, how do you feel? city fill with players great right? But this will die down off peak hour. But in FFXI, city like jeuno or whitegate never have this problem 24 hours population around 2000-4000. That's why it is a great community, it feel lively.


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#9 Aug 18 2013 at 7:59 AM Rating: Default
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Well then, tell me did you enjoy playing with the japanese time from time?

Did you enjoy the experiences of cross nation playing in a game?

i know the japanese might be more "object" the idea of mixing server, i believe it was them who brought that movement to SE (from what i heard)
But i personally like it more when it was like FFXI, at least the game never feel lonely like WoW when you play one of those late night game when everyone is sleeping the town is dead, your shout stand on the chat like a brave warrior for the next 60 mins.
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Honestly? I wish I still had the ability to log in any time and do stuff.

I've got a career, a husband, a house, and three cats, and my XI time (and now my XIV time) is going to be compressed into a 4 hour evening chunk during the week.
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#11 Aug 18 2013 at 8:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well then, tell me did you enjoy playing with the japanese time from time?


By and large the big E in my language flags prevented them from inviting me to parties. Every once in a while, you'd play with a Japanese player, but unless they were proficient with the auto-translator, you probably couldn't understand anything they said. Btw the auto-translator is actually a lot harder for JP to use then it is for us.

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I'm playing a video game, not a Travel channel special. The wonder of playing a game with someone in another country wore off for me in the 90s.
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#12 Aug 18 2013 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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Catwho wrote:
Honestly? I wish I still had the ability to log in any time and do stuff.

I've got a career, a husband, a house, and three cats, and my XI time (and now my XIV time) is going to be compressed into a 4 hour evening chunk during the week.



A lot of standing around in FFXI... I agree with you. "Oh, I can't play FFXI, I only have an hour" is a thing in the past. ;)
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#13 Aug 18 2013 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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You need to realize that there AREN'T any EU, NA or JP specific servers.

It's just the location of the data center. Go play on whatever server name you like. There's barely going to be a diffirence time/lag wise. Just some servers will have a slightly higher concentration of one over the other. But hey, maybe that will free up a lot of slots when one group calls it a night, and you can farm/craft in peace?
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