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#1 Aug 19 2013 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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As per Bartel, a decison has not been reached. So...
Does the Zam Linkshell need saving? Can we vote on this? How is it being decided?

I started this thread because I jumped to a conclusion after reading Admin Thayos's post:
Quoted by ADMIN Thayos: I am all for keeping the name. Who will start the east and west linkshells at early launch? I could start the west ls, if people can wait a few hours for me to get online... Think I work that day.

Apologies...

I wouldn't want to split the shell to EC/WC because if we are all on the EC then it could mean that there are less people because of work stuff and then it gets busy when people get out of work and do dinner and then come on.

I have a very flexible schedule, so for me, being with EC and WC means more people availabe. I would miss being with people I've already enjoyed in game because of EC/WC thing. SE already has us seperated via servers which aren't availble if we are not JP or Europe. Yes, we may randomly meet someone in duty finder, but its different.

And my experience in FFXI was that more people were on my server that were WC, so things picked up later at night, but by then it was time to sleep. I guess I'm trying to avoid a split.

Also, I would rather have a FC that could include us all, both EC/WC then be split up with ls.
Please don't fix what isn't broke!
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We don't know yet if the shell will be full come Release day because many people may go to another world or another shell.



Edited once I found out that no decision has been made yet.

Edited, Aug 19th 2013 6:41pm by Grandmomma
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#2 Aug 19 2013 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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Wait what's happening now? SE is splitting servers?
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#3 Aug 19 2013 at 2:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Teracide wrote:
Wait what's happening now? SE is splitting servers?


No, somepeople want to split the linkshell. One for EC and another for WC.

I think we need to vote on this. We have a couple of days before we have to decide, and we can go into the EA before making changes.
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#4 Aug 19 2013 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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I agree! We didn't have just West coasters and East Coasters, we had several from the Philippines and other countries who helped make the LS banter so much fun. Plus having diverse time zones assures there will be people active in the LS around the clock. Please don't change it.

Edited, Aug 19th 2013 1:24pm by Lorielll
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#5 Aug 19 2013 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Grandmomma wrote:
Teracide wrote:
Wait what's happening now? SE is splitting servers?


No, somepeople want to split the linkshell. One for EC and another for WC.

I think we need to vote on this. We have a couple of days before we have to decide, and we can go into the EA before making changes.

What is the point of this? Why would a chat be split? This makes no sense unless the LS was full... I can see FC's being EC/WC b.c of raids but splitting the LS is pointless.

Edited, Aug 19th 2013 4:12pm by Mopdaddy
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They want to split it so everyone can get in.. There are more people that want in than the ls can hold. Some people like me could not get in because of the Error or were not in beta.. So they want to make 2 shells so everyone has a chance. Quit being so selfish or why dont you give up your spot.
If there is more people than there is space for it will happen no matter what anyway they are not going to leave people out.


Edited, Aug 19th 2013 4:16pm by Nashred
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Teracide wrote:
Wait what's happening now? SE is splitting servers?


Currently linkshells are limited to 128 people. There are more people than that who want to be in the Zam LS.

My preference is not to split it, personally.. mostly because this is exactly the sort of thing a linkshell is for. Free Companies are more goal-oriented, and there are going to be people here with different goals than others. I certainly do hope that they raise that limit though, because it's tiny; or maybe another solution presents itself.
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#8 Aug 19 2013 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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The LS filled up rather rapidly during P4 and people are wondering what to do once the LS gets full. I for one thing that the FC idea is a good one since we could all still chat like we do in a LS and all could fit (hopefully) into it since there is a larger number of characters allowed.
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#9 Aug 19 2013 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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Archmage Callinon wrote:
Teracide wrote:
Wait what's happening now? SE is splitting servers?


Currently linkshells are limited to 128 people. There are more people than that who want to be in the Zam LS.

My preference is not to split it, personally.. mostly because this is exactly the sort of thing a linkshell is for. Free Companies are more goal-oriented, and there are going to be people here with different goals than others. I certainly do hope that they raise that limit though, because it's tiny; or maybe another solution presents itself.


The ZAM linkshell is approaching the 128 limit cap.
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We have more visitors than there are player slots allowed in a linkshell (128). At some point, you'll have no choice but to have several shells.
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WTF is wrong with SE why would they put a chat number so freaking low! SE never fails to disappoint with the little things, the common sense things.

Edited, Aug 19th 2013 4:18pm by Mopdaddy
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So what's gonna happen? There are obviously more ZAM people wanting to join but there are only a handful of spots available in the LS.
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What is going to happen is everyone is going to take 2 really deep breaths and wait till Early Access and figure things out when it gets here.
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Grandmomma wrote:
Teracide wrote:
Wait what's happening now? SE is splitting servers?

No, somepeople want to split the linkshell. One for EC and another for WC.

I think we need to vote on this. We have a couple of days before we have to decide, and we can go into the EA before making changes.

From the sound of things, we're going to turn Karma Zameleons into a FC in order to support our growing numbers. From there, we can create a few smaller linkshells in order to organize some of the more time sensitive things. We would all still be in the same group and be able to communicate—it would just have a different label.
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#15Killua125, Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 2:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Good thing you're not a LS leader, that's pretty bad planning when a ton of people are involved.
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Nashred wrote:
They want to split it so everyone can get in.. There are more people that want in than the ls can hold. Some people like me could not get in because of the Error or were not in beta.. So they want to make 2 shells so everyone has a chance. Quit being so selfish or why dont you give up your spot.
If there is more people than there is space for it will happen no matter what anyway they are not going to leave people out.


Edited, Aug 19th 2013 4:16pm by Nashred


We don't know yet if the shell will get full. Its too early to say. The game isn't released yet. Splitting the shell means that not everyone can get in, because of our locations. Its the exact opposite of inclusion, its exclusion. Splitting the shell will still leave people out. Yes, we could have both shells, but we still would have to unequp one to go to the other, and we would lose the continuity of conversation. Its not like having two websites, where you can have both windows open.

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Killua125 wrote:
Refews wrote:
What is going to happen is everyone is going to take 2 really deep breaths and wait till Early Access and figure things out when it gets here.


Good thing you're not a LS leader, that's pretty bad planning when a ton of people are involved.


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FrozenSherbet wrote:
Grandmomma wrote:
Teracide wrote:
Wait what's happening now? SE is splitting servers?

No, somepeople want to split the linkshell. One for EC and another for WC.

I think we need to vote on this. We have a couple of days before we have to decide, and we can go into the EA before making changes.

From the sound of things, we're going to turn Karma Zameleons into a FC in order to support our growing numbers. From there, we can create a few smaller linkshells in order to organize some of the more time sensitive things. We would all still be in the same group and be able to communicate—it would just have a different label.


Nothing has been decided. This is just dialogue. Voting options would be nice. FC's require time and organization, as well as assigning people to be in control of distributions. It can be complicated. FC creation is a whole other thing.
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#19Killua125, Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 2:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just being honest as a leader of large guilds on other games. You should definitely decide what you guys want to do before early access, not "see how things go".
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Grandmomma wrote:
Nashred wrote:
They want to split it so everyone can get in.. There are more people that want in than the ls can hold. Some people like me could not get in because of the Error or were not in beta.. So they want to make 2 shells so everyone has a chance. Quit being so selfish or why dont you give up your spot.
If there is more people than there is space for it will happen no matter what anyway they are not going to leave people out.


Edited, Aug 19th 2013 4:16pm by Nashred


We don't know yet if the shell will get full. Its too early to say. The game isn't released yet. Splitting the shell means that not everyone can get in, because of our locations. Its the exact opposite of inclusion, its exclusion. Splitting the shell will still leave people out. Yes, we could have both shells, but we still would have to unequp one to go to the other, and we would lose the continuity of conversation. Its not like having two websites, where you can have both windows open.



Then why even post a new thread on it ?


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[quote=Grandmomma][quote=Teracide]Wait what's happening now? SE is splitting servers?



Nothing has been decided. This is just dialogue. Voting options would be nice. FC's require time and organization, as well as assigning people to be in control of distributions. It can be complicated. FC creation is a whole other thing.


Again Then why even post a new thread on it ?

Your making a big deal out of nothing.


Edited, Aug 19th 2013 4:29pm by Nashred
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Killua125 wrote:
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What is going to happen is everyone is going to take 2 really deep breaths and wait till Early Access and figure things out when it gets here.


Good thing you're not a LS leader, that's pretty bad planning when a ton of people are involved.


I get your point, but you can only really plan for things when you know all the avenues you can expect. I tend not to put effort into being proactive about stuff when I don't know the complete situation. We have no idea if the cap on LS was just for beta or not. We will know when the game starts, and then we can deal with it. I'm just advocating to relax and keep it in the back of your mind rather than trying to predict every possible pathway without knowing the full situation. I am sure a lot of us are going to be playing this for at least a few months, so if it takes a day or two to figure things out, it will be a drop in the bucket. But carry on though... I see the value in trying to predict the future, it can be fun.
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Killua125 wrote:
Just being honest as a leader of large guilds on other games. You should definitely decide what you guys want to do before early access, not "see how things go".

It sounds like you don't have much choice other than to make a secondary LS for now. It sounds a little bit selfish of you to say "I like how it is now, so let's lock everybody else out because I'm happy".

Just how I see it.

You guys can always re-merge it when there's options to increase the member size more.

Edited, Aug 19th 2013 4:28pm by Killua125

This is only a chat channel, it's not a guild(free company)
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Grandmomma wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
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What is going to happen is everyone is going to take 2 really deep breaths and wait till Early Access and figure things out when it gets here.


Good thing you're not a LS leader, that's pretty bad planning when a ton of people are involved.


This is not a way to make friends.


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I might be missing something, but I don't really understand what the difference is.

In an FC don't you still have options to chat? If we have just one big FC we can all still pull people from all the different timezones to do activities and events (dungeon runs etc). If we split the current Zameleons into EC and WC LSs, as long as everyone is in the FC, there is still not that much of a difference. We can all be one big happy, chatty cathy, universal across all timezones community. I must be missing something.

Also, I am pretty sure you can have more than one LS equipped at a time. Not positive, but pretty sure. That is why next to your name when you type in LS chat you see [1]. I think if you had multiple LSs equipped you would see [2] before the name if someone from your 2nd LS was chatting.
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Nashred wrote:
Grandmomma wrote:
Nashred wrote:
They want to split it so everyone can get in.. There are more people that want in than the ls can hold. Some people like me could not get in because of the Error or were not in beta.. So they want to make 2 shells so everyone has a chance. Quit being so selfish or why dont you give up your spot.
If there is more people than there is space for it will happen no matter what anyway they are not going to leave people out.


Edited, Aug 19th 2013 4:16pm by Nashred


We don't know yet if the shell will get full. Its too early to say. The game isn't released yet. Splitting the shell means that not everyone can get in, because of our locations. Its the exact opposite of inclusion, its exclusion. Splitting the shell will still leave people out. Yes, we could have both shells, but we still would have to unequp one to go to the other, and we would lose the continuity of conversation. Its not like having two websites, where you can have both windows open.



Then why even post a new thread on it ?


Grandmomma wrote:
FrozenSherbet wrote:
[quote=Grandmomma][quote=Teracide]Wait what's happening now? SE is splitting servers?



Nothing has been decided. This is just dialogue. Voting options would be nice. FC's require time and organization, as well as assigning people to be in control of distributions. It can be complicated. FC creation is a whole other thing.


Again Then why even post a new thread on it ?

Your making a big deal out of nothing.


Edited, Aug 19th 2013 4:29pm by Nashred


Quoted from the ADMIN ThayosI am all for keeping the name. Who will start the east and west linkshells at early launch? I could start the west ls, if people can wait a few hours for me to get online... Think I work that day.


If you read some of the earlier posts on this thread, some members were making it a forgone conclusion that the ls was going to be split
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