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#27 Aug 19 2013 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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Just have ZAM make 4 LS's and have everybody pick which 2 they would like to be in. That way, most of what people are saying is going to viewed by a majority of the participants, and it creates some free space.

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we will use ten people for for this labeled A-J

LS1 = A C E G I

LS2 = B D F H J

LS3 = A D E H I

LS$ = B C F G J

I know some people are going to be left out of some conversation, but it frees up room, and gives healthy communication options to the majority of players.

Edited, Aug 19th 2013 4:51pm by supermegazeke
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#28 Aug 19 2013 at 3:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is pretty easy, split the shells. The reason? Grand Companies will have multiple LS members anyway. You guys can still cross communicate via ZAM forums and if you're someone who's on at odd hours then just join both shells unless you hit the member limit.

Some of us on Zam are also on Ultros but in a different shell all together even with some of the admins on here. I see no reason that we won't be participating in events with those of you in the "official" Zam shell, and who knows we may all even end up in the same GC or multiple GC's.

In the end Zam is where we can coordinate, as time goes on people will spread out and leave the game or create their own LS and there's still no reason we can't all do events together.
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#29 Aug 19 2013 at 3:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ok, this is a bit much. We really didn't need a separate thread for this.

Just to clarify, I will not be doing anything rash like breaking the LS or anything of the sort. Grandmomma, while I see your point of view, please see it from others points of view. Once the shell reaches 128 (which it will, and rather quickly I'd imagine) anyone else will be SoL for joining the LS if we don't split. Hence why we would make a free company to accomodate everyone. Once everyone has been invited to the free company, THEN we would consider splitting the LS into east coast/west coast just for smaller chat purposes and for a place to hang out and talk if people are busy doing events in the free company.

To reiterate, I will not be breaking the shell, or kicking people, or anything else rash. We will wait and see how launch goes, and make an informed decision at that point. This thread was way too much of a knee jerk reaction...
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#30 Aug 19 2013 at 3:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I believe this situation can be resolved if we all pile into a dark room... with knives.

Seriously though, it seems a ZAM Free Company would be the optimal approach. People can make their own LS's and still be a part of the community. The more I think about it, actually, the more right it feels. Of course, it could be way different in practice. heh.
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#31 Aug 19 2013 at 3:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also, to anyone who feels strongly about keeping it as a linkshell, make sure you go to the beta forums and like the post in feedback to increase the size. You can find it here.
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#32 Aug 19 2013 at 3:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Since I wasn't even able to make a character on Ultros due to the world being full, I'll go ahead and say I really really want to be part of the ZAM shell and if that means making it a Free Company with umbrella linkshells in it, so be it.

We initially voted against separating the ZAM server into East Coast and West Coast because reasons (...) but I think this is an acceptable compromise.

And no one is FORCED to be in any one linkshell. We could actually have multiple specific purpose ones - East Coast chatter, West Coast chatter, Dungeon Chatter (for folks doing group content to not spam the individual shells with "crap get away from the fire"), etc.
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#33 Aug 19 2013 at 3:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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I vote to keep us all combined. On weekends I play in the morning, afternoon, and night, and on weekdays I play in the afternoons. And what about the poor unfortunate souls stuck in Mountain or Central time? We can't choose a side Smiley: frown

Edit: Oh I saw Bartel's response. Ok, Free companies are unlimited? Linkshells go to 128?... I just hope that none of my friends in zam are east coast...

Edited, Aug 19th 2013 4:59pm by Valkayree
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#34 Aug 19 2013 at 4:16 PM Rating: Excellent
Relax, everyone!

Right now, we are just sharing ideas. Nothing has been decided! Also, me being an admin here has no bearing on my position in the ls or free company, so quoting me is kind of arbitrary.

I would just love to see everyone have a place in either the ls or a free company. If SE doesn't raise the linkshell membership limit, then we may need to figure out a way to get more people included... Or not. Nothing would be done without some kind of vote, I'm sure.

As I said in te other thread, a giant free company may be the answer. Or not! But now is definitely the time to start floating ideas for future plans.
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#35 Aug 19 2013 at 4:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thayos wrote:
Relax, everyone!

Right now, we are just sharing ideas. Nothing has been decided! Also, me being an admin here has no bearing on my position in the ls or free company, so quoting me is kind of arbitrary.

I would just love to see everyone have a place in either the ls or a free company. If SE doesn't raise the linkshell membership limit, then we may need to figure out a way to get more people included... Or not. Nothing would be done without some kind of vote, I'm sure.

As I said in te other thread, a giant free company may be the answer. Or not! But now is definitely the time to start floating ideas for future plans.

Yes, I believe this thread was an over-reaction, especially with the caps, someone needs to have their hand smacked.
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#36 Aug 19 2013 at 4:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thayos wrote:
Relax, everyone!

Right now, we are just sharing ideas. Nothing has been decided! Also, me being an admin here has no bearing on my position in the ls or free company, so quoting me is kind of arbitrary.

I would just love to see everyone have a place in either the ls or a free company. If SE doesn't raise the linkshell membership limit, then we may need to figure out a way to get more people included... Or not. Nothing would be done without some kind of vote, I'm sure.

As I said in te other thread, a giant free company may be the answer. Or not! But now is definitely the time to start floating ideas for future plans.


Thayos I apologize for jumping to the conclusion after reading your post, that it was a done deal. I just read it again and it still seems like you were going to take care of making the wc shell. When I read that I posted a new thread because people who didn't come to the forum today may not have been aware.

Again, I only quoted you because there seemed to be some conclusion that posters were making about splitting the shell. I wanted to get as many members as possible involved in making the decision and creating a new post seemed at that moment to be the thing to do. Maybe in a few hours I'll have thought about a better way to respond to what you and others posted.

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#37 Aug 19 2013 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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If we end up really having to split the LS, instead of doing EC/WC maybe we can do NA/EU if there are enough EU people here. I, for one, wouldn't mind being in the EU shell since I live in Asia.

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#38 Aug 19 2013 at 4:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Skaditoo wrote:
Thayos wrote:
Relax, everyone!

Right now, we are just sharing ideas. Nothing has been decided! Also, me being an admin here has no bearing on my position in the ls or free company, so quoting me is kind of arbitrary.

I would just love to see everyone have a place in either the ls or a free company. If SE doesn't raise the linkshell membership limit, then we may need to figure out a way to get more people included... Or not. Nothing would be done without some kind of vote, I'm sure.

As I said in te other thread, a giant free company may be the answer. Or not! But now is definitely the time to start floating ideas for future plans.

Yes, I believe this thread was an over-reaction, especially with the caps, someone needs to have their hand smacked.


Consider it slapped.
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#39 Aug 19 2013 at 4:49 PM Rating: Excellent
I did jump the gun a little bit... But I tend to do that sometimes. Just give me a good whap upside the head.
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#40 Aug 19 2013 at 4:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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There's been discussion in another thread to go with a ZAM Free Company that has capacity for well over 500 members..

And we could have access to FC housing for ZAM and sharing of materials, etc. via the housing chests.
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#41 Aug 19 2013 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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I used to run a clan of around 150 people and we had several divisions, We had a EU division and a east and west coast division,,, At first we had one division and that did not work. I would run a match a 6:00 or 7:00 east and the west coast people would be mad because it was like 3:00 their time and they were still working, I am central so I could make most late and early matches,, If I ran a match at 10:00 east people were mad because they had to go to bed but it wade west coast people happy.. People will feel like they are left out if you don't have stuff planed for their time, Most of the time LS leaders don't want to do things twice a night, Having two LS or FC is a good idea.

We also went through this with one of my ls in ffxi.. We were always doing things from 10:00 pm to 1:00 am my time which was even later for east coast because the leaders were west coast. Half the LS was always ****** and felt left out because they had to go to bed for school or work and missed stuff.

We ended up having different divisions for the clan and it made it easier on the leaders to plan stuff and make everyone happy, This was on the xbox. We stilled played together when we didn't have matches and would let the other divisions in if they were around. We also had each other on our friends list and our clan forums to communicate,,, We had to have more leaders but in the end everyone was way more happy.



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#42 Aug 19 2013 at 5:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Am I gonna have to dump my level 7 PUG and jump on Ultros :o
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why not just malke the Zam LS into a Zam free company

SE stated that linkshells are nothing more then provet chat channels in ffxiv, and that free companies will be what LS were in ffxi. Free companies are guilds. You set it up how u want, do you wanna be social? End game? or do everything (social endgame) Thays why SE put a player cap on LS's and free companies have a larger cap.

It you split the LS it may get confusing on networking people for help. Like i work at a corprate Mcdonalds. We are a 24 hour 365 day fast food joint. My sced can be in the morning or at night. so i would need to join both which would defeat the purpose of the spit.

With a free company we would be able to get our personal hang out location for meet and greets etc, or Event parties. (which would promote comradery)
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I don't think it has to be one or the other. I think Zam should make a FC no matter what we do with the LS. Kepp the ls for those that want to chat with Zam members, but are part of a different FC. I'm sure if it were done this way, many of the people currently in the ls would be satisfied with switching over to the FC for chat and making room for a single LS.
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#45 Aug 20 2013 at 12:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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iirc, one of my WoW guilds had over 400 people. Why is SE limiting the amount of players that can join a ls? That's silly.

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Am I gonna have to dump my level 7 PUG and jump on Ultros :o


I'm dumping my legacy character to play with Zam on Ultros, so yes, you must.

Edited, Aug 20th 2013 2:27am by Transmigration
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#46 Aug 20 2013 at 5:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Since LS are meant for social interaction, I'd consider splitting by interest groups instead of time zones. For example:

• PvP
• Crafting
• Dungeon crawling
• Family (clean language LS for people with kids)
• Asylum
• Etc

Just brainstorming.

Edited, Aug 20th 2013 7:55am by PhoenixOmbre
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#47 Aug 20 2013 at 6:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just to further elaborate on this, here is some more info on Free Companies that was posted in a thread on the general beta forums:
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Gotta agree with just using a company. You get a relatively flexible management interface and can set it up however you want. The default hierarchy is set up exactly like a linkshell, with a leader, "sackholders", and ordinary members. If you don't want a fancy/strict guild hierarchy, just don't add any ranks, and give all the permissions (such as inviting) to the lowest rank. And make the company chest/bank full access for all members. Back in Phase 3 we just used all the ranks to give people humorous titles for fun. They're honestly just like linkshells, but better.

The only "drawback" is that your members can only be in one free company. But it sounds like your group are possibly already a community from another game, and will want to stick together anyway.

The fee is only something like 15-25k, too, don't worry about the set up fee.


So we don't have to make it all structured and ordered, we can still keep it casual and keep everyone on the same footing. I think this is the ideal solution to our problems if SE doesn't raise the cap on linkshells, which I don't think they will by the time we are full.
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Is it bad that I'm looking more forward to the FC than the LS? In XI people used Linkshells due to a lack of any other form of a guild system. In XIV Linkshells seem like nothing more than a glorified chat channel. They also only have a limit of 128 people. Wouldn't it simply be more functional and sensical to create a Free Company to allow everyone the convenience of playing with the ZAM community?

With a cap of over 500, pretty much everyone interested (old and new) in playing with the ZAM-crew would have a spot. There's still a chat channel for Free Companies, so you're honestly not losing anything. I say we make a FC and just disband the LS.

Just sharing my thoughts.

Edited, Aug 20th 2013 8:46am by Teracide
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#49 Aug 20 2013 at 6:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Teracide wrote:
Is it bad that I'm looking more forward to the FC than the LS? In XI people used Linkshells due to a lack of any other form of a guild system. In XIV Linkshells seem like nothing more than a glorified chat channel. They also only have a limit of 128 people. Wouldn't it simply be more functional and sensical to create a Free Company to allow everyone the convenience of playing with the ZAM community?

With a cap of over 500, pretty much everyone interested (old and new) in playing with the ZAM-crew would have a spot. There's still a chat channel for Free Companies, so you're honestly not losing anything. I say we make a FC and just disband the LS.

Just sharing my thoughts.

Edited, Aug 20th 2013 8:46am by Teracide


Totally agree.
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#50 Aug 20 2013 at 7:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hairspray wrote:
There's been discussion in another thread to go with a ZAM Free Company that has capacity for well over 500 members..

And we could have access to FC housing for ZAM and sharing of materials, etc. via the housing chests.


And it would even be harder to get a free company to 500 because it is exclusive.
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Hairspray wrote:
Teracide wrote:
Is it bad that I'm looking more forward to the FC than the LS? In XI people used Linkshells due to a lack of any other form of a guild system. In XIV Linkshells seem like nothing more than a glorified chat channel. They also only have a limit of 128 people. Wouldn't it simply be more functional and sensical to create a Free Company to allow everyone the convenience of playing with the ZAM community?

With a cap of over 500, pretty much everyone interested (old and new) in playing with the ZAM-crew would have a spot. There's still a chat channel for Free Companies, so you're honestly not losing anything. I say we make a FC and just disband the LS.

Just sharing my thoughts.

Edited, Aug 20th 2013 8:46am by Teracide


Totally agree.


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