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#1 Aug 19 2013 at 2:28 PM Rating: Default
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I think Duty Finder can be improved significantly, it feels a bit rushed, while it's a great concept that all "modern" MMOs have, SQEnix should make it more impersonal.

Firstly you should be able to have an option to only queue with people on your server, so that you can use it to meet people on your server too. Next instead of shouting in town or your LS for help, maybe each dungeon should have a chat interface for everyone queued or wishing to queue. Maybe you'll meet an acquaintance and be like, ok I'll switch jobs for ya or something, or maybe you'll trade, like you tank this round, I'll tank the next round, and it'd be a great way to make friends.

To be honest, once I queued again as GLD, because I was appalled at how slow it took to queue as the THM I was leveling at the time, I switched to PLD and got a tank right away. Then I went back in feeling bad for others in the same predicament.

This reminds me of how it used to be though, in FFXI if you had a bit of time to spare you, sometimes perhaps you'd help someone, I don't wanna compare with FFXI since that's neither here or there, but lets look at Duties as they are, there's lots of potential there. I made a lot of friends this way, and met a lot of helpful people who'd I'd one day return the favor.

Yes the queue time may go up, but it may be offset by nicer players who are willing to help, you would need some way to flag parties that need it for a quest though, of course I wouldn't help players who just wanna grind. Which is the second point, if I need the dungeon for a quest, and these other guys just want to grind on a dungeon, shouldn't I get priority?

See my post on the dungeon feedback forum: http://forum.square-enix.com/ARR-Test/threads/106777-Option-to-link-with-only-players-on-the-same-server
#2 Aug 19 2013 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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I think Duty Finder can be improved significantly, it feels a bit rushed, while it's a great concept that all "modern" MMOs have, SQEnix should make it more impersonal.

Firstly you should be able to have an option to only queue with people on your server, so that you can use it to meet people on your server too. Next instead of shouting in town or your LS for help, maybe each dungeon should have a chat interface for everyone queued or wishing to queue. Maybe you'll meet an acquaintance and be like, ok I'll switch jobs for ya or something, or maybe you'll trade, like you tank this round, I'll tank the next round, and it'd be a great way to make friends.

To be honest, once I queued again as GLD, because I was appalled at how slow it took to queue as the THM I was leveling at the time, I switched to PLD and got a tank right away. Then I went back in feeling bad for others in the same predicament.

This reminds me of how it used to be though, in FFXI if you had a bit of time to spare you, sometimes perhaps you'd help someone, I don't wanna compare with FFXI since that's neither here or there, but lets look at Duties as they are, there's lots of potential there. I made a lot of friends this way, and met a lot of helpful people who'd I'd one day return the favor.

Yes the queue time may go up, but it may be offset by nicer players who are willing to help, you would need some way to flag parties that need it for a quest though, of course I wouldn't help players who just wanna grind. Which is the second point, if I need the dungeon for a quest, and these other guys just want to grind on a dungeon, shouldn't I get priority?

See my post on the dungeon feedback forum: http://forum.square-enix.com/ARR-Test/threads/106777-Option-to-link-with-only-players-on-the-same-server


If you want to play with people from your own server, all you have to do is create a party, and then the leader goes to the DF and joins the Duty. We go in immediately. DF really doesn't have to be changed.
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#3 Aug 19 2013 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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Part of me likes this idea, but I feel like so many people would use it that it would in the end increase the amount of time it takes to find a group. Duty Finder's main purpose is for people to throw a group together fast and get content done. It doesn't prevent players from going out and making their own party if they want to group with locals.
#4 Aug 19 2013 at 2:37 PM Rating: Default
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It would also be cool if there's just a flag saying if someone happens to be from your server. So if you like playing with them, you could add them after or something.
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Part of me likes this idea, but I feel like so many people would use it that it would in the end increase the amount of time it takes to find a group. Duty Finder's main purpose is for people to throw a group together fast and get content done. It doesn't prevent players from going out and making their own party if they want to group with locals.


Exactly.

Now cross server friends list is another idea.
#6 Aug 19 2013 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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"If you want to play with people from your own server, all you have to do is create a party, and then the leader goes to the DF and joins the Duty. We go in immediately. DF really doesn't have to be changed. "

Well right now creating your own party means what, shouting in town? I know the first place you'd try is in your LS, but what if everyone is busy or they're offline? And since you can register for a duty from anywhere it's not like you can /say at the entrance. If there was better integration I should be able to see players queued on my server in some interface/chat channel and say hey, looks like we both need a tank - I'll tank this time and you tank for me next time?

And you'd make friends this way, once again it is an option - I'd definitely use it though.

Edited, Aug 19th 2013 5:04pm by SyniteonReflux
#7 Aug 19 2013 at 3:15 PM Rating: Default
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SyniteonReflux wrote:
I think Duty Finder can be improved significantly, it feels a bit rushed, while it's a great concept that all "modern" MMOs have, SQEnix should make it more impersonal.

Firstly you should be able to have an option to only queue with people on your server, so that you can use it to meet people on your server too. Next instead of shouting in town or your LS for help, maybe each dungeon should have a chat interface for everyone queued or wishing to queue. Maybe you'll meet an acquaintance and be like, ok I'll switch jobs for ya or something, or maybe you'll trade, like you tank this round, I'll tank the next round, and it'd be a great way to make friends.

To be honest, once I queued again as GLD, because I was appalled at how slow it took to queue as the THM I was leveling at the time, I switched to PLD and got a tank right away. Then I went back in feeling bad for others in the same predicament.

This reminds me of how it used to be though, in FFXI if you had a bit of time to spare you, sometimes perhaps you'd help someone, I don't wanna compare with FFXI since that's neither here or there, but lets look at Duties as they are, there's lots of potential there. I made a lot of friends this way, and met a lot of helpful people who'd I'd one day return the favor.

Yes the queue time may go up, but it may be offset by nicer players who are willing to help, you would need some way to flag parties that need it for a quest though, of course I wouldn't help players who just wanna grind. Which is the second point, if I need the dungeon for a quest, and these other guys just want to grind on a dungeon, shouldn't I get priority?

See my post on the dungeon feedback forum: http://forum.square-enix.com/ARR-Test/threads/106777-Option-to-link-with-only-players-on-the-same-server

Yoshi said same server choice would bork the duty finder and no one would get a party
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I would assume you'd try to search on your server first, but failing that you'd go cross server, since it is an option - so eventually you'd offer yourself up as a player in the full cross-server pool. And others who care less about making friends/community would go straight to cross-server.

Ya we did the shouting thing in FFXI, there has to be a better way, if I need a duty for a dungeon for a quest, I should be able to flag as such - if I see a lot of people waiting, I would totally help tank/heal - but only those people on my server who actually need the dungeon for a quest. This would offset the DF wait times on servers with good communities, and for servers with less of a community hopefully it'll spur the creation of a better community with some helpful players devoting more time to helping lower levels. We had a lot of that in FFXI, tons of players helped me get through the game and when I was higher I did the same.

I think Yoshi-P missed something, if I need the dungeon for a quest to progress in the game, shouldn't I get priority then? There's lots of room for improvement in the DF.
#9 Aug 19 2013 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Only someone who plays a Healer or Tank would ask for same server ques. Would pretty much make the dps wanna quit.
#10 Aug 19 2013 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Like in FFXI you can edit your search comment, no need to shout to form a party.
#11 Aug 19 2013 at 6:24 PM Rating: Good
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Yes there is already a party search function to find people - for leveling or pretty much anything, but you can't really specify what the party is for unless you read search comments, which is pretty slow and feels archaic. So if I'm a player that will already try to find players on my own server to play a dungeon that I need for a quest, shouldn't there be a better tool to facilitate this?

And better to place it intuitively in the Duty Finder since that's the first place we'll look, something like being able to flag LFG for a specific set of dungeons, and if you need it for a quest you get a special flag too. It'd be like, here's a list of people LFG for these dungeons you want to do, or click here to just join the global queue. And in the game there wasn't even mention of the party system, shouldn't the game try to promote community on the server as well, as a new player you should be given these two options. In my beta time I never saw any reference to party search. But I'm a FFXI, and 1.0 player, I know it's there, but I wasn't compelled to try it.

If you give people the option to play a part in their server community it'll lead to a better game. And if I want to level up and someone else on my server needs help on a quest dungeon and I get exp too, that might work mutually.
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Killua125 wrote:
It would also be cool if there's just a flag saying if someone happens to be from your server. So if you like playing with them, you could add them after or something.


I like this idea actually Smiley: thumbsup
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#13 Aug 19 2013 at 6:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Killua125 wrote:
It would also be cool if there's just a flag saying if someone happens to be from your server. So if you like playing with them, you could add them after or something.


I like this idea actually Smiley: thumbsup


Yea that's definitely THE good idea and honestly am I the only person that enjoys the DF and find no problem with it...
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#14 Aug 19 2013 at 6:58 PM Rating: Good
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Yes that idea deserves a thread in itself!

Mind if I post that on the beta forums?

Edited, Aug 19th 2013 8:58pm by SyniteonReflux
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I really liked in p3 trying to get a group together before they brought in the DF, it was fun finally getting that last piece you needed to start it up. Not to say that DF is a bad thing by any means, it just doesn't have that same feel to it. One thing that is nice is that because the game syncs you to the instance you're in, it might make it quite a bit easier to /sh LFG and be successful.

I will always be around to run dungeons with anybody when the time comes, no matter if I'm a 50 and you're running sashtasha and need a tank. I'm down.

Edited, Aug 19th 2013 9:56pm by supermegazeke
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#17 Aug 19 2013 at 8:00 PM Rating: Default
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I really liked in p3 trying to get a group together before they brought in the DF, it was fun finally getting that last piece you needed to start it up. Not to say that DF is a bad thing by any means, it just doesn't have that same feel to it. One thing that is nice is that because the game syncs you to the instance you're in, it might make it quite a bit easier to /sh LFG and be successful.

I will always be around to run dungeons with anybody when the time comes, no matter if I'm a 50 and you're running sashtasha and need a tank. I'm down.

Edited, Aug 19th 2013 9:56pm by supermegazeke

I did not like having no df. It took hours to get a group together
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#18 Aug 19 2013 at 8:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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would defeat the purpose of DF. its not meant foir the lazy its meant foir those who have only a few hours.

If you looking to meet people walk around town and talk to people.

why is it people act like content is the only way to meet people on mmo... was not like this in ffxi... you don;t need to do anything to meet players they are literally all around you. I made friends by talking to other people. Not doing content
#19 Aug 19 2013 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
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I would only like this option because from WoW it's what I feel like started destroying the community. I don't want it set in stone, only an option, because I know people like to zoom zoom through dungeons.

The PuGs (Pick-Up-Groups) Cross Server were mostly bad experiences from people who thought they weren't responsible and could wipe the group as much as they pleased and be on their merry way.

I would like to group with server members, not so much to take away their anonymous status but get a feel of the community. I don't have a linkshell just yet, so searching for the good ones becomes hard when I can only look them up in text. If I had the chance to say, PT with one of them, and they liked me - I might be recommended into trying them out. Which I would be likely to do so, after a great experience.

I don't know - my experience with cross server dungeon so far. People go in, people *MIGHT* say hi, and the run goes silent after that. It's not very welcoming. lol
#20 Aug 19 2013 at 9:51 PM Rating: Good
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it was always like that in WoW..... I recall my first dungeon. I had a quest in a dungeon and asked for help. People showed up we went in, they got loot and left i litterally was stuck in a dungeon by myself.

WoW players always hated the concept of Pugs and always felt that joining one was automatically bad.

in dcuo no body talked, and we were all on the same server phase

but really... go out there and meet people, i have had 0 issues so far. hech i met u guys just by joining zam on a whim

Like i said Duty finder is just there to allow ppl to join groups who have no time to look or start one. Its not meant for lazy ppl who need a game to force them to be with other ppl.

spend a few hours just walking around you can befriend ppl easy.
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