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#27 Aug 20 2013 at 10:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Many legacy payed for more than three months, such as I did. Guess what, it evens out.

EA is not the only benefit to being a legacy account...


Like being called fanboy, nutcase, idiot etc. by *coughs* people like you for paying for (during that time) an utter failure.
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#28 Aug 20 2013 at 11:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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pretty sure anyone who bouagt 1.0 gets ffxiv Arr free if on pc.

I bought 1.0 zCE and had to buy the ffxiv Ps3 version. I could easily say we shoulda been allowed to pick what copy we get for free but we didn't. I wish i coulda payed the 3 mnths but couldn't lost my job around then. but i'm not complaining. I'm happy i got to be in a closed beta. If you want EA just pay the 30. Its a new game just same title (sorta)
#29 Aug 20 2013 at 11:35 PM Rating: Decent
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So it is my understanding that people who played in 1.0, but didn't pay for 3+ months, don't get early access. Not sure why people who pre-ordered it 20 minutes ago get the prize but the rest of us can't. As far as I'm concerned I preordered it too... 3 years ago... slightly earlier than those who just kinda got into it recently.... for half the price....

$80 3 years ago? t(''t)
$30 20 mintues ago "enjoy bro! welcome aboard! =D"


You get the game for free, the people who are paying $80 do not. All you lose is 3 days. You can either pay to upgrade or wait 3 days. Obviously you didn't support the game as a legacy player therefore you don't deserve the free early access. It's that simple.



I have to agree with OP, it sort of was messed up for them not giving the people who purchased the game in 1.0 early access, heck CE 1.0 should of the very least gotten the early access since they said they get all the ARR goodies. What really kills me is the 15 days free instead of the 30 days this one hurts me more than early time.

and by the way we all supported the game also when we payed 80 dollars for collectors edition ( I also preordered ) this was all revenue for the company is not like we got the game for free back then.? what kind of logic is this? we already payed for the game so they have no choice but to give us the game we already payed for 2 years ago. Its sad when legacy people think they deserve so dam or are entitled to so much ( this is a long dead horse and beaten thing on forums anyways )

I just wished they gave Collectors edition at the very least early access to cut my rant short. Im honestly surprised they didn't.

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#30 Aug 20 2013 at 11:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Square Enix isn't the first nor the last company to employ Limited Time Offer (Legacy). Why do people have to keep bringing up complaints about Legacy? Did you see the latest EA Humble Bundle? How much was that whole bundle cost when they were released? How much is the current Beat-the-average now?
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#31 Aug 21 2013 at 12:11 AM Rating: Good
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I have to agree with OP, it sort of was messed up for them not giving the people who purchased the game in 1.0 early access, heck CE 1.0 should of the very least gotten the early access since they said they get all the ARR goodies. What really kills me is the 15 days free instead of the 30 days this one hurts me more than early time.

and by the way we all supported the game also when we payed 80 dollars for collectors edition ( I also preordered ) this was all revenue for the company is not like we got the game for free back then.? what kind of logic is this? we already payed for the game so they have no choice but to give us the game we already payed for 2 years ago. Its sad when legacy people think they deserve so dam or are entitled to so much ( this is a long dead horse and beaten thing on forums anyways


How about you examine it from the other perspective. The only people getting the early access without paying for it are Legacy players. This group paid for at least 3 months of subscription fees and in most cases, a whole lot longer. If you add up just 3 months, that's $45. It only costs $30 to get the early access for non-Legacy 1.0 players. It seems to me that's $15 dollars cheaper by my math.

FYI, I'm not a Legacy player. I'm paying full price for the goodies, not complaining about it either.
#32 Aug 21 2013 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't fault the OP because I feel the same way. The majority of players stop playing after a week or two, myself included. We paid $80 for the 1.0 CE and all we got was a game that really should have been an alpha but was rushed out to market just to beat the release of the WoW expansion. I actually built a new $1000 pc for no other reason than to play the game due to the high system requirements at the time. We also got a couple material goods like a notebook, a poster, and I forgot what else now. I just remember feeling underwhelmed by it. In terms of getting the VALUE for what we paid for 3 years ago, we 1.0 CE players feel like we should have received more consideration this time around.

To those of you who stuck it out and even paid the monthly subscription, I salute you for your loyalty and for your tolerance for punishment. At least you got your legacy status and will pay a lower monthly subscription than the rest of us.
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By the times subscriptions started in early 2012, the game wasn't that bad in all reality.
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#34 Aug 21 2013 at 1:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Waa I'm not getting what I want. :<

Original CE account holders get the new CE digital items, so you're still in line with the new CE users. The only thing you don't get is the physical items because you already have some that nobody else can get and the early access which is a bonus to those who devoted their time and money or are new to the game and it's an incentive to buy. You can't be upset all the time because you don't get what you want from a company that needs to make money. As far as they're concerned you bought a game that you didn't like. That's the risk of buying anything.
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Waa I'm not getting what I want. :<

Original CE account holders get the new CE digital items, so you're still in line with the new CE users. The only thing you don't get is the physical items because you already have some that nobody else can get and the early access which is a bonus to those who devoted their time and money or are new to the game and it's an incentive to buy. You can't be upset all the time because you don't get what you want from a company that needs to make money. As far as they're concerned you bought a game that you didn't like. That's the risk of buying anything.

This might just be me, but i really dont think that's the right attitude to have when you're a gaming company, and you're about to re-release a product that failed misserably before. You'd think -they- would be the ones jumping through hoops for a change to make us play their game.

I'll have you know a lot of us actually liked 1.0, but got in a matter of speaking screwed out of being able to play it for a year due to people complaining.

We didnt fail SE, SE failed us. But apparently we (the ones who gave their first game a try) are the ones that SE apparently doesnt want to keep on their good side.

It makes no sense at all.

It should have been:

Bought 1.0? Here you go, early access
Bought 1.0 CE? Early access and your goodies.

I myself wont even be home till the 27th, so i cant be part of the early access anyhow, but i still think subscription shouldnt matter for early access since it's a "new game". SE would do best to just make things a little more fair for 1.0 players.
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#36 Aug 21 2013 at 2:33 AM Rating: Decent
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The game was free? I have the original CE so is my $80 (from 3 years ago) being returned to me? Giving them the $80 is somehow NOT supporting them? WOW! news to me. Pretty sure none of that makes any sense. I'm not trying to be hostile here but I can't fathom how you figured that logic. And how exactly is it that people who preorder it tonight supported the game originally?


if you have the original CE i'm pretty sure you get 2.0's CE items too, at least i've read that somewhere, not that bad at least XD, altho it bothers me that 1.0 owners don't get early access, luckily i didn't buy it back then =D

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 4:34am by MitArgento
#37 Aug 21 2013 at 2:41 AM Rating: Good
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You didn't support the game after release therefor you won't get EA :P seems pretty simple to me :P
And the game for free >_> + a trial period

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 4:55am by abesut
#38 Aug 21 2013 at 2:52 AM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
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Many legacy payed for more than three months, such as I did. Guess what, it evens out.

EA is not the only benefit to being a legacy account...


Like being called fanboy, nutcase, idiot etc. by *coughs* people like you for paying for (during that time) an utter failure.

I don't call people names(unless provoked) so I didn't call anyone a nutcase or idiot. Fanboy is a term I reserve for people who just accept anything SE says or does blindly because it's Final Fantasy. That would have been something I said about people who are always spouting 'It's just a beta' or nonsense about the miracle patch.

I didn't see the point in paying for a service I didn't enjoy and wouldn't use just because it would guarantee me a little discount years down the line. Sure, you make your money back if you subscribe for like a year after launch, but there wasn't any guarantee that I'd like it then either so it didn't make sense to me. I don't recall saying anyone was an idiot for subscribing, but I do know that I thought it was a bad idea to give preference to 1.0 players.

I don't get it. FFXIV looks like it has a future and people still dwelling in the past. If you don't want to let it go that's your prerogative I guess.

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It should have been:

Bought 1.0? Here you go, early access
Bought 1.0 CE? Early access and your goodies.


I think it should have been this...

Yoshi wrote:
"I was thinking about doing an early access and then I decided against it. Everyone gets to join the servers as soon as we can possibly get them up and running. The thought of calling anything 'early access' after it has taken us 3 years to get here after the initial launch, well... quite frankly, that's absurd."


Edited, Aug 21st 2013 5:00am by FilthMcNasty
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#39 Aug 21 2013 at 3:32 AM Rating: Good
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I understand the OP's position and think that SE could have done more. I rather suspect that they are stratifying access in order to avoid the inevitable server explosion when everyone logs in at once - this is a good way of trying to control that though it is a pain if you miss out as a result.

I am legacy so going straight in, I also purchased the CE on release of 1.0 and have pre-ordered the PS3 version so I feel entitled :-).

I think SE would probably have liked to exclude legacy players from early access since they want it to be a box purchase reward but can you even imagine the uproar from the legacy players if they were excluded.

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Adzieboy wrote:
Waa I'm not getting what I want. :<

Original CE account holders get the new CE digital items, so you're still in line with the new CE users. The only thing you don't get is the physical items because you already have some that nobody else can get and the early access which is a bonus to those who devoted their time and money or are new to the game and it's an incentive to buy. You can't be upset all the time because you don't get what you want from a company that needs to make money. As far as they're concerned you bought a game that you didn't like. That's the risk of buying anything.


Well, to be fair, my physical items are an authenticator that'll probably die very soon (and freely replaced on a phone, for anyone), a little journal to take notes, and a ton of extra cardboard to wrap it all up. The original CE left a lot to be desired. The best thing I got, and is not physical in any way, is my Onion Helm!!!! If you're not running around in an Onion Helm, you're just not playing correctly. Period.
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Well, to be fair, my physical items are an authenticator that'll probably die very soon (and freely replaced on a phone, for anyone), a little journal to take notes, and a ton of extra cardboard to wrap it all up. The original CE left a lot to be desired. The best thing I got, and is not physical in any way, is my Onion Helm!!!! If you're not running around in an Onion Helm, you're just not playing correctly. Period.


Man, I was gutted to not get that Onion Helm. :( I played with my brother's buddy pass as I couldn't afford it at the time. Didn't you get some kind of coffee tumbler thing as well and a static cloth map?
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Adzieboy wrote:
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Well, to be fair, my physical items are an authenticator that'll probably die very soon (and freely replaced on a phone, for anyone), a little journal to take notes, and a ton of extra cardboard to wrap it all up. The original CE left a lot to be desired. The best thing I got, and is not physical in any way, is my Onion Helm!!!! If you're not running around in an Onion Helm, you're just not playing correctly. Period.


Man, I was gutted to not get that Onion Helm. :( I played with my brother's buddy pass as I couldn't afford it at the time. Didn't you get some kind of coffee tumbler thing as well and a static cloth map?

Only certain region(s) got those. The NA CE didn't have them.
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Well, to be fair, my physical items are an authenticator that'll probably die very soon (and freely replaced on a phone, for anyone), a little journal to take notes, and a ton of extra cardboard to wrap it all up. The original CE left a lot to be desired. The best thing I got, and is not physical in any way, is my Onion Helm!!!! If you're not running around in an Onion Helm, you're just not playing correctly. Period.


Man, I was gutted to not get that Onion Helm. :( I played with my brother's buddy pass as I couldn't afford it at the time. Didn't you get some kind of coffee tumbler thing as well and a static cloth map?

Only certain region(s) got those. The NA CE didn't have them.


Oh, I see. I'm in the UK so my brother got those, seemed quite cool.
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By the times subscriptions started in early 2012, the game wasn't that bad in all reality.


I played from launch through the end of the 1.0. I'm a casual gamer and I was having fun. I got three years out of the game and I can't speak for others but I at least had fun the whole time. I agree the last few months after they began subscriptions were quite enjoyable and the battles were challenging.
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pretty sure anyone who bouagt 1.0 gets ffxiv Arr free if on pc.

I bought 1.0 zCE and had to buy the ffxiv Ps3 version. I could easily say we shoulda been allowed to pick what copy we get for free but we didn't. I wish i coulda payed the 3 mnths but couldn't lost my job around then. but i'm not complaining. I'm happy i got to be in a closed beta. If you want EA just pay the 30. Its a new game just same title (sorta)


Well the thing is, PC and PS3 are entirely different stories. CD Project give free Enhanced Edition upgrade to everyone owning Witchers 2 on PC (which is a very very rare thing to do nowadays as 99% the rest of gaming industry would make you spend more for DLCs or GOTY version instead) but they also didn't give out Xbox 360 version to everyone already owning PC version. That would be too much to ask for.
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Sure, you don't get the extra three days, but you DO get all of the non-physical ARR collector's edition bonuses for free. I think the bigger injustice would be someone in your position getting all the benefits a legacy player gets. How would that make sense?


/thread... well said Aasher


This is actually not true. Not only do you not get the 3 early access days, but you only get 14 days access instead of 30 and you do not get the in-game items(moogle hat and cait sith) that come from pre-order.


What's not true? I never said the OP gets those things, but thanks for clarifying.

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Some silver lining I take from being a non-legacy 1.0 player who isn't pre-ordering a new copy is that I don't have to deal with all this code madness goin' on.


indeed, i finally got my code myself, and even then it was an EU code when i made my account as NA region, just square being square XD
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I bought the 1.0 CE back in 2010. I played the game off and on up until they started charging. I have absolutely no problem with not getting early access this way. Instead of complaining about why I'm entitled to have it, after being able to play the game for free for over a year, I just decided that I'd buy it on the PS3 so I can veg out and craft or gather on my couch. I just don't understand why people think they deserve early access now on top of the free copy of ARR they are getting, along with a trial period, along with a NEW set of collector's edition items. It just baffles me.

I bought the PS3 version because of the extra stuff it offered, such as early access, mog cap and cait sith minion, and for the reason I mentioned above. That was worth the additional cost for me. If it's not worth it for you, don't buy it. But don't ***** and whine about how you deserve early access because you already paid once. I find that completely absurd. You already got stuff that new players can't get, and again, you are getting this game for free. That is pretty awesome in my opinion.
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You already got stuff that new players can't get, and again, you are getting this game for free. That is pretty awesome in my opinion.

People really need to stop saying that. It's one thing to try and explain to people why they're not getting more, but the game is not free. They already paid for it. I also don't see the point in bringing up that the game was F2P during 1.0 to try and make it look better than it is. A large majority of the people who bought 1.0 and even Square Enix themselves didn't feel the game was worth it. What's the point of that?

That said, early access is just a bad idea anyway because of the way it's set up. A 3 day advantage might not seem like much, but it's an advantage. I do feel that if SE was going to have pay-to-win access, they should have given it to the 1.0 CE owners. The 1.0 CE was pretty meh compared to the ARR CE and 1.0 CE owners only get the 14 day trial period. Show some love SE.

It's my honest opinion that it would just be the right thing to do. It doesn't make any sense to me that you would exclude anyone the opportunity to play with friends without having to pay for it... twice.

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I find that completely absurd.

As absurd as an early access program is for a 3 year old game. I agree





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You seem like someone who would complain about buying something at full price and then seeing it on sale a week later and would demand a refund.
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It was my understanding that ALL previous players get early access, not just legacy.

If you have a tattoo on the back of your neck, you play Saturday. Where was this said otherwise? Also... if this is the case it's kinda bs.. Like, 1.0 owners ARE punished for owning the game if that's the case...

But I think this is a grave misunderstanding on the term Legacy, in that SE has used that term interchangeably to describe previous account holders AND people with "legacy status".

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 10:20am by Louiscool
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