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#52 Aug 21 2013 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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You already got stuff that new players can't get, and again, you are getting this game for free. That is pretty awesome in my opinion.

People really need to stop saying that. It's one thing to try and explain to people why they're not getting more, but the game is not free. They already paid for it. I also don't see the point in bringing up that the game was F2P during 1.0 to try and make it look better than it is. A large majority of the people who bought 1.0 and even Square Enix themselves didn't feel the game was worth it. What's the point of that?

That said, early access is just a bad idea anyway because of the way it's set up. A 3 day advantage might not seem like much, but it's an advantage. I do feel that if SE was going to have pay-to-win access, they should have given it to the 1.0 CE owners. The 1.0 CE was pretty meh compared to the ARR CE and 1.0 CE owners only get the 14 day trial period. Show some love SE.

It's my honest opinion that it would just be the right thing to do. It doesn't make any sense to me that you would exclude anyone the opportunity to play with friends without having to pay for it... twice.


Well, considering 1.0 is almost an entirely new game, yes, you are getting a new game for free. If it was basically the same thing as 1.0 but with a new coat of paint, I'd agree with you. It's not. The point of bringing up that 1.0 was free is that it was free for over a year while they were feverishly trying to fix the game. They could have just as easily said "sorry folks, game sucks, we're cancelling it." but they didn't. They started putting out letters from the producer every couple weeks, asking for feedback, listening to the players and responding in a timely manner, all while still allowing people to play for free as they fixed it.

And no, the 1.0 owners didn't "only get the 14 day trial period". They also got ALL of the ARR CE in-game items, which is amazing. Behemoth barding and a couerl mount alone make that one of the coolest "thank you's" I could ever get from SE. They didn't have to do that at all, but they did. They also get the onion helm, which isn't even accessible to 2.0 CE players. All of that to me is them showing plenty of love. I'm sorry you disagree.

It's my honest opinion that they did the right thing. They gave an incentive for new players to purchase the game with early access and pre-order items, and they gave an incentive for players of 1.0 to either upgrade from regular copy, or to buy the game for another system to get the other items and early access, or just to experience it on a different platform. I honestly can't believe you're getting this upset over three days. Yeah, it's an advantage. Big whoop. How much of an advantage will it be even a couple weeks after launch? Almost non-existant.

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I find that completely absurd.

As absurd as an early access program is for a 3 year old game. I agree


I don't see anything absurd about early access. I understand you do, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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#53 Aug 21 2013 at 8:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Louiscool wrote:
It was my understanding that ALL previous players get early access, not just legacy.

If you have a tattoo on the back of your neck, you play Saturday. Where was this said otherwise? Also... if this is the case it's kinda bs.. Like, 1.0 owners ARE punished for owning the game if that's the case...

But I think this is a grave misunderstanding on the term Legacy, in that SE has used that term interchangeably to describe previous account holders AND people with "legacy status".

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 10:20am by Louiscool

"Players who have fulfilled the requirements of the Legacy Campaign will be able to take part in early access and play before the official start of service."
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=14019fb32d90859f118dccb8cd96bf81c212957d
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TwistedOwl wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
It was my understanding that ALL previous players get early access, not just legacy.

If you have a tattoo on the back of your neck, you play Saturday. Where was this said otherwise? Also... if this is the case it's kinda bs.. Like, 1.0 owners ARE punished for owning the game if that's the case...

But I think this is a grave misunderstanding on the term Legacy, in that SE has used that term interchangeably to describe previous account holders AND people with "legacy status".

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 10:20am by Louiscool

"Players who have fulfilled the requirements of the Legacy Campaign will be able to take part in early access and play before the official start of service."
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=14019fb32d90859f118dccb8cd96bf81c212957d


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People really need to stop saying that. It's one thing to try and explain to people why they're not getting more, but the game is not free. They already paid for it. I also don't see the point in bringing up that the game was F2P during 1.0 to try and make it look better than it is. A large majority of the people who bought 1.0 and even Square Enix themselves didn't feel the game was worth it. What's the point of that?


No, they don't and here is why. You obviously failed to read my post where I illustrated the math of Legacy player to be at least $45 more than a non Legacy 1.0. Considering all this non-Legacy player has to do is pay $30, they're still ahead by at least $15. Take a Legacy player of 6 months and that's $90. The only group of players receiving FREE EARLY ACCESS is the Legacy group and the numbers speak for themselves. How is this so hard to understand?

On top of that, a 1.0 players has the ability to gain new pre-order goodies and early access for a pittance. If SE was charging 1.0 players to buy the game again, I would be on your side. That's not the case though and with all the goodies players from 1.0 got already, they're really only losing out on 3 lousy days. I paid $50 bucks for 3 lousy days and I'm not complaining.

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That said, early access is just a bad idea anyway because of the way it's set up. A 3 day advantage might not seem like much, but it's an advantage. I do feel that if SE was going to have pay-to-win access, they should have given it to the 1.0 CE owners. The 1.0 CE was pretty meh compared to the ARR CE and 1.0 CE owners only get the 14 day trial period. Show some love SE.

It's my honest opinion that it would just be the right thing to do. It doesn't make any sense to me that you would exclude anyone the opportunity to play with friends without having to pay for it... twice.


Look at the Beta 4 if you think 3 days is such an issue. I have many(like 5ppl) just from my group that couldn't log in at all during Open beta and still don't have a character on our server. They aren't at a disadvantage because if they're your friends, you help them out. We also have people in our group that don't have EA and those people aren't freaking out either. It's not a race to lv50. Besides if they're really your friends, chances are they might come over and hang with you or maybe chat on Mumble or something.

I'm not going to debate the value of 1.0 vs ARR CE box. I like some of the goodies from 1.0, but if you examine the items that really matter, they're really the same except the gloves from 1.0. The Light warrior helm and Mog hat basically do the same thing and only good up to lv10 anyways. Again, the 1.0 people can get both, the real travesty is that the 2.0 people can't get 1.0 items. If you want to see a blatant offense, there is one right there.





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I'm not sure why I am replying, but here goes:
I see some issues with both sides of this argument, but in the end we have to deal with it, because it's how SE decided to go with it.

People are arguing that Legacy Status players paid more for the game, but paying for the game and paying a subscription are separate things and can't be equated. Besides, I don't think the subscription model was $15/mo. I believe I subscribed somewhere between $10-$13/mo.
Also, I don't have legacy status anyway, because they never charged me 3 months due to them deciding to extend the free play. I TRIED to pay them, but they didn't want my money.

Long story short though, it was 2 years ago. The game failed. Get over it. I never asked for a new car from Funcom when Age of Conan ended up being the worst MMO launch ever. (Funcom has a rough history with MMO launches)

I was in beta for 1.0 and bought 2 CE packages. This time around, I bought the PS3 version so I can get early access and have platform flexibility. If you don't want to do that, it's really your problem and not SE's or ZAM's.

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#57 Aug 21 2013 at 10:08 AM Rating: Default
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most of you guys don't seem to understand, the game when free for a whole year afterward never bill you once when since released in 1.0. Then sub started.

If you can play that whole year and start a sub that mean real loyalty. If you didn't you have absolutely no loyalty to speak.

When in an army loyalty is rewarded, you reward your dog for being loyal. So i don't see the problem in it.
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I was an original beta tester for 1.0 and then purchased the $80 CE of the game, played and paid up until March 2012 and I am not a legacy member on some technicality. However, I just paid the $30 for the game without complaining. I am missing other legacy benefits like having my name in the credits, but it's okay. It doesn't matter because in the end we all get to play and be happy. =^__^= Meow!


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My opinion is that S-E should've allowed all 1.0 players Early Access, they wouldn't have been losing anything doing it as we all get the new game free anyways so most aren't buying a new copy just for 3 days EA. Unfortunately, they didn't do that, so we're in the boat we're in.

Of course 1.0 people who don't get EA are going to feel slighted. Not getting to play when all the other players are is a bit of a thorn in the paw. In the grand scheme, 3 days EA is a trivial matter.

I'm not saying that 1.0 Non-Legacy players deserve more, just that from a customer service standpoint S-E chose poorly.
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I'm not saying that 1.0 Non-Legacy players deserve more, just that from a customer service standpoint S-E chose poorly.


I don't agree, but maybe you could shed some light in what you feel would of been a good choice for customer service. The way it is now is only the people that spent tons of money on the game despite the disaster of 1.0 get this for free. Everyone else including the 2.0 players and 1.0 non-legacy up graders are paying extra for it. I don't see the conflict here. SE was more than generous with the people that played 1.0 long ago offering all the in-game bonuses carrying over from 1.0. It's like when people play a game at launch and quit for years only to come back later because they want to come back for some reason. These people don't deserve any perks unless the perks were something like a welcome back campaign.
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Giving a $10 early access purchase option is the only possible idea I can think of. I doubt they even thought of doing that though. It's a bit unprecedented, but so is this whole situation.

Really though, when your free trial is up and you are considering whether or not to subscribe, I doubt this is going to be a major factor. Just move on.

I also hear people are ordering the game, getting the pre-order code and then cancelling their order. Not sure if this actually works and is definitely unethical, but just throwing that out there.
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#61Ehllfire, Posted: Aug 21 2013 at 11:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I agree SE chose wrong on the EA. That said they left loopholes to be exploited so enterprising indivduals are able to get in.
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Preorder the game, get code, cancel preorder.
The only thing you lose is GameStop temporarily has your $5 bill.
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Preorder the game, get code, cancel preorder.
The only thing you lose is GameStop temporarily has your $5 bill.

Amazon lets you preorder for free.
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Louiscool wrote:
It was my understanding that ALL previous players get early access, not just legacy.

If you have a tattoo on the back of your neck, you play Saturday. Where was this said otherwise? Also... if this is the case it's kinda bs.. Like, 1.0 owners ARE punished for owning the game if that's the case...

But I think this is a grave misunderstanding on the term Legacy, in that SE has used that term interchangeably to describe previous account holders AND people with "legacy status".

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 10:20am by Louiscool


It's distinctly possible. Popular thought was that only Legacy Status players would get in early to Phase 4, but they allowed everyone from 1.0 in the end. Just saying "Legacy has early access" is too ambiguous since it means two different things depending on who you ask.
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
diiablo wrote:

I'm not saying that 1.0 Non-Legacy players deserve more, just that from a customer service standpoint S-E chose poorly.


I don't agree, but maybe you could shed some light in what you feel would of been a good choice for customer service. The way it is now is only the people that spent tons of money on the game despite the disaster of 1.0 get this for free. Everyone else including the 2.0 players and 1.0 non-legacy up graders are paying extra for it. I don't see the conflict here. SE was more than generous with the people that played 1.0 long ago offering all the in-game bonuses carrying over from 1.0. It's like when people play a game at launch and quit for years only to come back later because they want to come back for some reason. These people don't deserve any perks unless the perks were something like a welcome back campaign.


Like I said, the better option would've been to allow EA for all 1.0 players, not just those who qualified for Legacy. In the end, it amounts to 3 days of EA. Had S-E allowed all 1.0 players EA, we wouldn't be discussing this and everyone would be happy. I doubt the number of presales would've been aversly affected from those 1.0 players who bought a preorder just for EA (I'm thinking the number of players who did is small.)

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I agree SE chose wrong on the EA. That said they left loopholes to be exploited so enterprising indivduals are able to get in.


If they did indeed state that the loopholes are intentional, then this issue is moot. I have an EA code, if they don't mind that it doesn't equate to an actual preorder, then I won't have any qualms in using it.

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 2:38pm by diiablo
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diiablo wrote:
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diiablo wrote:

I'm not saying that 1.0 Non-Legacy players deserve more, just that from a customer service standpoint S-E chose poorly.


I don't agree, but maybe you could shed some light in what you feel would of been a good choice for customer service. The way it is now is only the people that spent tons of money on the game despite the disaster of 1.0 get this for free. Everyone else including the 2.0 players and 1.0 non-legacy up graders are paying extra for it. I don't see the conflict here. SE was more than generous with the people that played 1.0 long ago offering all the in-game bonuses carrying over from 1.0. It's like when people play a game at launch and quit for years only to come back later because they want to come back for some reason. These people don't deserve any perks unless the perks were something like a welcome back campaign.


Like I said, the better option would've been to allow EA for all 1.0 players, not just those who qualified for Legacy. In the end, it amounts to 3 days of EA. Had S-E allowed all 1.0 players EA, we wouldn't be discussing this and everyone would be happy. I doubt the number of presales would've been aversly affected from those 1.0 players who bought a preorder just for EA (I'm thinking the number of players who did is small.)

Ehllfire wrote:
I agree SE chose wrong on the EA. That said they left loopholes to be exploited so enterprising indivduals are able to get in.


If they did indeed state that the loopholes are intentional, then this issue is moot. I have an EA code, if they don't mind that it doesn't equate to an actual preorder, then I won't have any qualms in using it.

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 2:38pm by diiablo

They were not intentional from what I see, just a common flaw in preorders for mmos.
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Louiscool wrote:
But I think this is a grave misunderstanding on the term Legacy, in that SE has used that term interchangeably to describe previous account holders AND people with "legacy status".


They need to make this more confusing amirite? Try to follow this, I dare you...

If you are someone who payed for 3 consecutive months during the designated, yet arbitrary 'legacy' period of 1.0 subscription days; you have a 'legacy account'.

If you have a legacy account, the characters you played during said arbitrary period are 'legacy characters'.

If one of your characters(regardless of their legacy status or the account's legacy status) is on one of the original servers from the 1.0 version, you are playing on a 'legacy server'.

If you rolled a character since the close of version 1.0, that character is not a 'legacy character'; regardless of whether or not you rolled on a 'legacy server' AND/OR whether or not you are the owner of a 'legacy account'.


I'm not a violent person, but the next person I meet IRL who says the word 'legacy' is getting punched in the mowf Smiley: bah

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Well, considering 1.0 is almost an entirely new game, yes, you are getting a new game for free. If it was basically the same thing as 1.0 but with a new coat of paint, I'd agree with you. It's not. The point of bringing up that 1.0 was free is that it was free for over a year while they were feverishly trying to fix the game. They could have just as easily said "sorry folks, game sucks, we're cancelling it." but they didn't. They started putting out letters from the producer every couple weeks, asking for feedback, listening to the players and responding in a timely manner, all while still allowing people to play for free as they fixed it.


We all understand that the magnitude of the repairs required would take a long time, but when you accept money for a service that isn't up to standard it's expected that you're going to work to deliver a better product. Letter from the producer, listening and responding to feedback... all of that stuff is standard for most companies, yet for SE people somehow feel like it's exceptional service and I can't for the life of me figure out why. They've done a **** of a job with the game and I'll concede that easily, but it's not something that deserves paying for twice; especially considering it was paid for in advance and it was subscribed to for a fair bit of it's lifespan.

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And no, the 1.0 owners didn't "only get the 14 day trial period". They also got ALL of the ARR CE in-game items, which is amazing.


Context. Only as in, only 14 and not 30.

BartelX wrote:
They gave an incentive for new players to purchase the game with early access and pre-order items, and they gave an incentive for players of 1.0 to either upgrade from regular copy, or to buy the game for another system to get the other items and early access, or just to experience it on a different platform.

The incentive is an advantage over other players. The same incentive that people try to wield as an argument against F2P. "We don't want that pay-to-win stuff in our game kthx". There is no difference here. Spend some money and get a leg up on the crowd. "I don't want my game to restrict my content based on the size of my wallet". Did I miss something here? When did the sentiment change all of a sudden?
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I feel like this thread is just a bunch of people saying the same things over and over and over again. They aren't going to change anything and no one here can do anything about it. The great thing about capitalism is that if you don't like a businesses practices, you can choose to spend your money elsewhere.
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Ehllfire wrote:
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Preorder the game, get code, cancel preorder.
The only thing you lose is GameStop temporarily has your $5 bill.

Amazon lets you preorder for free.


There's an extremely high probability that those codes will be locked by or shortly after launch, and all character information deleted if you do that. Most other MMO's do similar now. You can try it, but I don't expect it to work for more than a few hours. Not only that, but people have been saying the exact same thing on the ARR Beta forums, so SE is highly aware of it.

And this 3 day advantage is not an advantage at all. It's an advantage if this were the first launch, but there are lots and lots of people with one or several classes and jobs at 50 already. 3 days isn't going to catch you up to any of them. There's no tangible advantage for anyone with EA overall, just an incredibly small advantage against others who don't get in the EA and don't have anything else that needs to be done so they can play for 72 hours straight. That's an incredibly small portion of people that can claim an advantage at all, and that'll be more than gone a week after official launch. There's no real advantage here. Mountains out of mole hills.

I think that's enough on advantage. Too much usage of advantage, and the advantage is wearing thin.

Advantage.

Ad-vayn-tayge......

I need sleep.

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 5:25pm by Medieve
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Medieve wrote:
Ehllfire wrote:
Westyle wrote:
Preorder the game, get code, cancel preorder.
The only thing you lose is GameStop temporarily has your $5 bill.

Amazon lets you preorder for free.


There's an extremely high probability that those codes will be locked by or shortly after launch, and all character information deleted if you do that. Most other MMO's do similar now. You can try it, but I don't expect it to work for more than a few hours. Not only that, but people have been saying the exact same thing on the ARR Beta forums, so SE is highly aware of it.

And this 3 day advantage is not an advantage at all. It's an advantage if this were the first launch, but there are lots and lots of people with one or several classes and jobs at 50 already. 3 days isn't going to catch you up to any of them. There's no tangible advantage for anyone with EA overall, just an incredibly small advantage against others who don't get in the EA and don't have anything else that needs to be done so they can play for 72 hours straight. That's an incredibly small portion of people that can claim an advantage at all, and that'll be more than gone a week after official launch. There's no real advantage here. Mountains out of mole hills.

I think that's enough on advantage. Too much usage of advantage, and the advantage is wearing thin.

Advantage.

Ad-vayn-tayge......

I need sleep.

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 5:25pm by Medieve

Um it will work I already have an existing account. Secondly they have a couple week grace period. They arent going to erase an existing account that was around far longer than 3 days. Thirdly I gave my ps3 preorder to someone who is out of town for the rest of the month ;)
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Game hasn't opened up yet. I'd wait until Aug. 25th before I'd say it works.
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Louiscool wrote:
But I think this is a grave misunderstanding on the term Legacy, in that SE has used that term interchangeably to describe previous account holders AND people with "legacy status".


They need to make this more confusing amirite? Try to follow this, I dare you...

If you are someone who payed for 3 consecutive months during the designated, yet arbitrary 'legacy' period of 1.0 subscription days; you have a 'legacy account'.

If you have a legacy account, the characters you played during said arbitrary period are 'legacy characters'.

If one of your characters(regardless of their legacy status or the account's legacy status) is on one of the original servers from the 1.0 version, you are playing on a 'legacy server'.

If you rolled a character since the close of version 1.0, that character is not a 'legacy character'; regardless of whether or not you rolled on a 'legacy server' AND/OR whether or not you are the owner of a 'legacy account'.


I'm not a violent person, but the next person I meet IRL who says the word 'legacy' is getting punched in the mowf Smiley: bah



EXACTLY THIS!

Seriously, someone give SE a thesaurus.
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A 3 day advantage might not seem like much, but it's an advantage. I do feel that if SE was going to have pay-to-win access, they should have given it to the 1.0 CE owners. The 1.0 CE was pretty meh compared to the ARR CE and 1.0 CE owners only get the 14 day trial period. Show some love SE.

It's my honest opinion that it would just be the right thing to do. It doesn't make any sense to me that you would exclude anyone the opportunity to play with friends without having to pay for it... twice.



An advantage with what? I assume you are talking about PvP because otherwise what possible disadvantage do you have from not being in early access?
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Game hasn't opened up yet. I'd wait until Aug. 25th before I'd say it works.

Most they'd do is remove the preorder items lol
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diiablo wrote:
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I was an original beta tester for 1.0 and then purchased the $80 CE of the game, played and paid up until March 2012 and I am not a legacy member on some technicality. However, I just paid the $30 for the game without complaining. I am missing other legacy benefits like having my name in the credits, but it's okay. It doesn't matter because in the end we all get to play and be happy. =^__^= Meow!


First off, Heya Toro!

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To the thread:

My opinion is that S-E should've allowed all 1.0 players Early Access, they wouldn't have been losing anything doing it as we all get the new game free anyways so most aren't buying a new copy just for 3 days EA. Unfortunately, they didn't do that, so we're in the boat we're in.

Of course 1.0 people who don't get EA are going to feel slighted. Not getting to play when all the other players are is a bit of a thorn in the paw. In the grand scheme, 3 days EA is a trivial matter.

I'm not saying that 1.0 Non-Legacy players deserve more, just that from a customer service standpoint S-E chose poorly.


I just saw this. I am so late. Hiya! Nice to meet you. ^_^
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Dang it, I should give 2K this thread so they know they can't release The Bureau in the US a whole 2-3 days earlier than the rest of the world because customers would be out with pitchfork and torch to get them... not.

Seriously, that game is sitting on my Steam Account as preload since yesterday and the US have been playing since. There actually has been complaint threads on Steam discussion about this. I don't care if the game has lukewarm reviews, I pre-ordered the game, why do I have to wait longer than US peeps? Wah wah wah blah blah blah.
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A 3 day advantage might not seem like much, but it's an advantage. I do feel that if SE was going to have pay-to-win access, they should have given it to the 1.0 CE owners. The 1.0 CE was pretty meh compared to the ARR CE and 1.0 CE owners only get the 14 day trial period. Show some love SE.

It's my honest opinion that it would just be the right thing to do. It doesn't make any sense to me that you would exclude anyone the opportunity to play with friends without having to pay for it... twice.



An advantage with what? I assume you are talking about PvP because otherwise what possible disadvantage do you have from not being in early access?


The advantage you get for leveling for 3 straight days? What PvP? All I see is a THM meleeing the crap out of a CNJ while everyone else is just standing there like they're... wait, they're all asleep? Smiley: sly
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A 3 day advantage might not seem like much, but it's an advantage. I do feel that if SE was going to have pay-to-win access, they should have given it to the 1.0 CE owners. The 1.0 CE was pretty meh compared to the ARR CE and 1.0 CE owners only get the 14 day trial period. Show some love SE.

It's my honest opinion that it would just be the right thing to do. It doesn't make any sense to me that you would exclude anyone the opportunity to play with friends without having to pay for it... twice.



An advantage with what? I assume you are talking about PvP because otherwise what possible disadvantage do you have from not being in early access?


The advantage you get for leveling for 3 straight days? What PvP? All I see is a THM meleeing the crap out of a CNJ while everyone else is just standing there like they're... wait, they're all asleep? Smiley: sly


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#80 Aug 21 2013 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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pretty sure anyone who bouagt 1.0 gets ffxiv Arr free if on pc.


i usually lurk around reading stuff but is there any truth to this statement?

i bought 1.0 at launch, played it and was paying for service when people were leaving.

also can someone point me to where i can get an access code. i really dont want to sift and read countless threads.

thanks in advance Smiley: wink
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pretty sure anyone who bouagt 1.0 gets ffxiv Arr free if on pc.


i usually lurk around reading stuff but is there any truth to this statement?

i bought 1.0 at launch, played it and was paying for service when people were leaving.

also can someone point me to where i can get an access code. i really dont want to sift and read countless threads.

thanks in advance Smiley: wink


Check out Filth's stickied post at the top of the forum. You probably don't even need a code.
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I'm still waiting for reactions from people who purchased Dead Space 3 at launch because right now it cost $1 to get that and a bunch of others... EA, why do you punish people buying the game (from only) 6 months ago? I don't care if you pretend to donate the money through the most popular supposedly Indie Bundle.

Sometimes the SE "fan base" amazes me...
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I'm still waiting for reactions from people who purchased Dead Space 3 at launch because right now it cost $1 to get that and a bunch of others... EA, why do you punish people buying the game (from only) 6 months ago? I don't care if you pretend to donate the money through the most popular supposedly Indie Bundle.

Sometimes the SE "fan base" amazes me...


I get mad at Steam for doing that sometimes.

Somehow it never helps.
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You didn't support the game after release therefor you won't get EA :P seems pretty simple to me :P
And the game for free >_> + a trial period

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 4:55am by abesut


I'm pretty tired of reading this in regards to that particular argument. The majority of Legacy players didn't "support SE". They got an e-mail in regards to the campaign and wanted to get the Legacy benefits. All they supported was the benefit to get the extras for themselves.

I'm the same as an above poster. I would have done the Legacy campaign for the benefits (not because I wanted to "support SE" for the debacle 1.0 was) but had real life to contend with. No one in their right mind would have paid a subscription for 1.0, which is why SE made it F2P for a year, thus, why the majority of legacy were in it just for the perks.
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The game was free? I have the original CE so is my $80 (from 3 years ago) being returned to me? Giving them the $80 is somehow NOT supporting them? WOW! news to me. Pretty sure none of that makes any sense. I'm not trying to be hostile here but I can't fathom how you figured that logic. And how exactly is it that people who preorder it tonight supported the game originally?



thats not supporting them, thats paying for something you want! supproting them would be continue paying and playing even though you know its not quite what you where expecting.
in conclusion SE has thanked Legacy players with a couple of mod cons in game for their support. other players who bailed get the game still, just without the ingame items and couple of days early access.
the new players who have gone and bought the game again now like what they see and obviously want to get early access too it. they're not whining about how SE has shafted them, i mean you still have access to the game and are getting 30 days free aint ya? be happy and enjoy what they have gave to you.
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You didn't support the game after release therefor you won't get EA :P seems pretty simple to me :P
And the game for free >_> + a trial period

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 4:55am by abesut


I'm pretty tired of reading this in regards to that particular argument. The majority of Legacy players didn't "support SE". They got an e-mail in regards to the campaign and wanted to get the Legacy benefits. All they supported was the benefit to get the extras for themselves.

I'm the same as an above poster. I would have done the Legacy campaign for the benefits (not because I wanted to "support SE" for the debacle 1.0 was) but had real life to contend with. No one in their right mind would have paid a subscription for 1.0, which is why SE made it F2P for a year, thus, why the majority of legacy were in it just for the perks.


Well put. Even the people who aren't legacy who can afford to throw more money at SE just to get early access kinda fit here. They're paying for a perk. Something they would probably fight tooth and nail against should SE ever decide to move to a F2P model.

On a side note: It would be really interesting if we could somehow see how many legacy members 'supported' SE for the entire subscription period and how many ducked out after the required 90 days... Smiley: cool

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 11:18am by FilthMcNasty
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If you consider what SE is actually doing with B4, Early Access, and the Full Release, they are not actually perks, but rather buffers. I actually respect the decision.

I would like to see everyone who had 1.0 get into the early access if it was actually a perk, but it's not. Don't let the 3 extra days fool you. Some people may use it as a perk, but what it really is, is that SE has made 1-20 easy to get through, and you have to pretty much go everywhere in the world (starting around 15). They are actually doing this to spread people out over the world as fast as possible.

I know that (other than the fact that I haven't completed the main story quests) I will not be spending any time in the main cities during the EA or the first week of the release. And as new people come in from each phase, there will be some congestion, but they did successfully split it up, and have the over-achievers already done and locked at 20. On Saturday, they will plow through the level 50 quests, while the new people are just getting up and going with 1-20.

By the release, nearly 1/2 the population should be out of the starting area, and within the first month, people will be settling in.

That is, if it works:).
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You didn't support the game after release therefor you won't get EA :P seems pretty simple to me :P
And the game for free >_> + a trial period

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 4:55am by abesut


I'm pretty tired of reading this in regards to that particular argument. The majority of Legacy players didn't "support SE". They got an e-mail in regards to the campaign and wanted to get the Legacy benefits. All they supported was the benefit to get the extras for themselves.

I'm the same as an above poster. I would have done the Legacy campaign for the benefits (not because I wanted to "support SE" for the debacle 1.0 was) but had real life to contend with. No one in their right mind would have paid a subscription for 1.0, which is why SE made it F2P for a year, thus, why the majority of legacy were in it just for the perks.


Well put. Even the people who aren't legacy who can afford to throw more money at SE just to get early access kinda fit here. They're paying for a perk. Something they would probably fight tooth and nail against should SE ever decide to move to a F2P model.

On a side note: It would be really interesting if we could somehow see how many legacy members 'supported' SE for the entire subscription period and how many ducked out after the required 90 days... Smiley: cool


Then deal with it, I have never stopped subscription for v1.0 and Masamune was packed with people all the time. Granted majority are Japanese, let's antagonising Japanese more.

I never said anything about Legacy loyalty supporting dramallama. Somehow most people have bone to pick with Legacy keep evading the main point of Legacy perk: Limited Time offer. Somehow most people who complain turns a blind eye on the hottest bundle right now: EA bundle, where you can pick up a whole lot of AAA titles (one is even not that old, barely 6 months released prior) that would have cost $300 or more for less than $5. Somehow most people complain about Early Access advantage turning a blind eye on the example of The Bureau: XCOM Declassified being released 3 days earlier than the US, even if people preordered all the same and paid the same (if not even more for Europe/Australia) money. Oh let's make SE to be the ultimate evil while praising the others for doing exactly the same thing.

P.S: No one in their right mind would have paid a subscription for 1.0 sounds like calling 1.0 people who subbed more than 90 days idiots, yes? Irony isn't it, since you said you was never meant to call names...
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P.S: No one in their right mind would have paid a subscription for 1.0 sounds like calling 1.0 people who subbed more than 90 days idiots, yes? Irony isn't it, since you said you was never meant to call names...


Whilst I agree you may have had a point if you only played at launch, by 1.23 it was actually a good game. To be honest, whilst I prefer ARR overall, there were elements of 1.23 onwards that were superior to ARR (combat for example). If you didnt play 1.23, you cant really comment on us being idiots. If you did play 1.23, well then that makes you as much of an idiot as we are :-)
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If I wanted to call you an idiot, I would do just that.

My intent with my above statement isn't directed to insult any one person, but to help illustrate the fact 1.0 was nothing more than sheer crap. This isn't opinion. This is fact. We know this because SE removed the game from existence. When I stated no one in their right mind would pay a subscription for 1.0, is based on the fact because SE made their game free to play for over a year.

I'll add that 1.23 wasn't as bad as 1.0. I could have seen myself paying for a subscription for 1.23. Most likely not for any length of time however. When the decision was made to pull the plug on the game, the legacy campaign was introduced. I highly doubt one could reasonably refute that the majority of subscriptions at this time was due in part to the legacy campaign.

I apologize if you thought I was attempting to insult you for subscribing to FFXIV 1.0 - 1.23. That wasn't my intent.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 3:03am by Magilicotti
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By 1.23 the game play was actually enjoyable, but the engine was still awful and there were mechanical issues until the bitter end. (Half the players were kicked off 2 hours before the final battle on shutdown night and couldn't get back in.)

Yoshi P took a **** and turned it into fertilizer - useful, but still smelly (1.23). ARR is the lovely garden he's grown with it.
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#92 Aug 23 2013 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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So it is my understanding that people who played in 1.0, but didn't pay for 3+ months, don't get early access. Not sure why people who pre-ordered it 20 minutes ago get the prize but the rest of us can't. As far as I'm concerned I preordered it too... 3 years ago... slightly earlier than those who just kinda got into it recently.... for half the price....

$80 3 years ago? t(''t)
$30 20 minutes ago "enjoy bro! welcome aboard! =D"

edit: Thanks for the replies. I'm not saying that I deserve -more- than anyone. I just want to play the game, when it "launches" early when all my friends are playing it. I already bought the game, (years ago,) I'll be subscribing for at least 3+ months overall. Just saying that I don't like how I have to spend extra money to play with my pals when I've already spent more than what they've spent on everything so far. To me it just says "enjoy watching these new guys play for 3 days unless you gives me more $$$$" And...let's not forget those of us who spent $1000 on a new machine to even play this game... =/

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I would like to start by saying that I detest paying for the game as well as paying a monthly subscription, the software should be included with your monthly subs. I myself am not a legacy player but did play 1.0.

I would like to share with you my tactic for levelling the playing field.

Step 1) Got to www.amazon.co.uk . www.amazon.com, www.amazon.de or whichever version of amazon your SE Servie account relates to
Step 2) Preorder FFXIV;ARR
Step 3) Wait for the Amazon pre-order code to come through to your email address
Step 4) input your pre-order code into this site - http://preorder.NA.finalfantasyxiv.com/ or http://preorder.EU.finalfantasyxiv.com/
Step 5) boot up your beta 4 client
Step 6) follow the link in the software to the SE Account management screen and input your early access code.
Step 7) Update the client software
Step 8) Log back into amazon
Step 9) Cancel your pre-order and get a full refund

I hope this helps with your dilemma :D

I am a firm believer that you dont try and beat the system you just play it at its own game.

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I can understand some of the resentment. 2.0 exists because they conned the crap out of the 1.0 people. The game that we bought 3 years ago wasn't released until now. Those of us with the 1.0 CE got early access to what was practically the paid BETA of 2.0 (i.e. 1.0)

I don't care a whole **** of a lot one way or the other about 3 days but SE will always be tarnished in my view because of the 1.0 cluster mishap. That was so grimy that I don't even think EA would pull it.

I did really seem to be enjoying 2.0 (at least the last round of the BETA) so I don't want to sound like I am poo-pooing all over it. It is so much more along the lines of what an FF game should be but that does make the 1.0 stuff that much more insulting.
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I agree, in my humble opinion, the game is awesome its just some of the marketing stunts pulled are a bit of a con.

I genuinely recommend anyone who is thinking they might give it a try but are not sure just take the plunge and give it a try.

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Who here got the EA code and then cancelled the preorder? Do you not think there is another code in the physical box to prevent this kind of exploitation? Maybe you just can't get your 30 days free sub or something idk. If not then wow SE you are dumb. I'd like to be sure about this cause I could save myself some money if they did make this mistake.
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Who here got the EA code and then cancelled the preorder? Do you not think there is another code in the physical box to prevent this kind of exploitation? Maybe you just can't get your 30 days free sub or something idk. If not then wow SE you are dumb. I'd like to be sure about this cause I could save myself some money if they did make this mistake.


Yes there is another code in the box, this is called a retail code. This retail code can be input anytime up to the 30th August 2013. However since we are v1.0 players SE will send us the retail code from our original purchase of V1.0 to input ready for the 27th...

This will only work for people who played 1.0 who didn't get legacy who want early access.

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I think the funniest and most interesting part about this (and B4 for that matter), while it seems like these are offerings to the customers, they are not. The benefit of getting 3-6 days of extra play is not what everyone things. 6 days doesn't matter in an MMO, there is no advantage to this in anything past maybe the first 8 hours.

SE is offering the B4 3day (capped at 20), and the EA 3 day as a way of defusing server load. Nothing more, nothing less. And yes, that means setting some hard limits. It allows some people to get past the first 20 levels, then with another selective group, get them through the first 20 and defuse into other areas.

Then open the flood-gates, and let as many in as want/servers can handle.

It does come off as a benefit (and will be treated as a benefit) to those who want it. But it's like getting pudding for getting your tonsils removed. The pudding is actually to help soothe, but to a kid is seems like a nice reward (unless of course you don't like pudding... then you might get ice cream... If you don't like ice cream, well then, suffer...)

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Why do some of us get punished for buying this game three years ago?

I have to walk around with a legacy tramp stamp now..

I dont know how many people would be willing to admit it but I prepaid a year of that crysta ******** so I put it on auto refresh every month and forgot about it. Three years later I'm part of the chosen :P Later versions of the game were more then playable, really even fun sometimes.
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SIGH back and forth between non legacy and legacy and 1.0 people who played who weren't legacy cause they didn't play long enough. I'm a new player frankly I DONT GIVE A **** just play the game, and enjoy it. I woulda played 1.0 back when it came out but frankly I was between wow and lineage 2 and AION. I never heard about FF14 until it was already dead. I guess they didn't have a very good marketing campaign or something so I never played it woulda coulda shoulda but I didn't plain and simply because I didn't know it existed.

But ya know what I **** sure signed up for beta for 2.0 as soon as I found out and have been waiting impatiently alongside the other who knows how many people. I got into beta I was able to play some beta phases but I've got a ****** retail job and sometimes i'd miss the beta weekends well actually most of them.

As of right now the EA launches in 15 hours and some change if you didn't get ea 3 days doesn't mean jack I mean for all you know we could just be exploring those days not knowing wtf is going on, or chopping trees for 3 hours straight then spending another 2 making them into boards or fishing or trying out every class to 15 or so to figure out which we want to be 50 first.

New players will be the lifeblood of this game, Old players please BECOME the backbone. Show us the ropes tips and tricks you learned the hard way, make us a better player, help us with our stupid newb questions (notice i said newb not noob N00bs are a hopeless cause), give us advice for builds, gathering spots boss strats etc. Lets make this a game to knock the other mmo's out of the water.

See yall at launch, if not see yall tuesday.
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[quote=abesut]You didn't support the game after release therefor you won't get EA :P seems pretty simple to me :P
And the game for free >_> + a trial period

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 4:55am by abesut


On a side note: It would be really interesting if we could somehow see how many legacy members 'supported' SE for the entire subscription period and how many ducked out after the required 90 days...

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 11:18am by FilthMcNasty


I did for the whole time. /shrug
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