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#1 Aug 22 2013 at 5:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Square Enix has launched the FFXIV forums and closed down the beta ones, but...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/63381-Forum-Design-and-Features-Update-%28Aug.-22%29?p=1015217#post1015217

It appears they are the most heavily restricted forums, for paying customers mind you (since you need an ARR character to post in there), in the history of gaming.

Please participate in the first thread created against these limits, here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/63446-Forum-posting-restrictions

And also spread the word via Facebook / Twitter and the like.

They are entitled to put limits in place to limit abuse / spam / server load, but not these kind of limits.

I hope you agree with me and let them know this is ridiculous. Cheers!

PS: The above is a personal post and does not mean to reflect Zam's opinion on the matter, or what have you. Smiley: grin
#2 Aug 22 2013 at 6:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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then again, we have the zam forums, so we won't need to make many posts there =D
#3 Aug 22 2013 at 6:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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I rarely posted on the beta forums unless I was having an issue...

I'm going to go ahead and say I'll just be using ZAM's forums too.
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#4 Aug 22 2013 at 6:10 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, we will just all take info that we find useful from the Official forums and post it here. Lol. Maybe when they see nobody is using their forums they will change it, if not, oh well.
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As someone who has been active on the official forums since their launch, I say good.

The official forums have served as a lightning rod for trolls to keep them away from communities like ZAM but things still got out of hand with the mind-numbingly blatant trolling.
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LOL I cant post anywhere but the newbie forum because 'your main character's level is not high enough'. Yeah no ***** lets get stuck into to early access so I can fix that eh? Balls lol.
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#7 Aug 22 2013 at 6:20 AM Rating: Good
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I'd pretty much just post there if you want a dev response. Otherwise, it looks like you won't see many fun threads there anymore.
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sorry to change the subject but did anyone else notice class lvls missing from your character select signature thing? seems my lvl 20 botany is missing

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I will (and did so in Beta as well) use Zam's forums as my primary forums, but okay, this sort of limits is borderline ridiculous.

You can't create a thread until you are lv. 25? Oh, come on...

Interestingly enough, right now only Legacy players can create threads, since all 2.0 players are level 20 Smiley: lol
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I posted in two welcome threads and that was it. (non-legacy leveled character) from P4. I went to post in discussion threads about crafting and learned of this horrid restriction. I am sure they'll change it in the near future due to community outrage. However I have to wonder just what in the **** they were thinking with these limit types. A community based game where you cannot communicate with said community fully outside of the game on their own official forums.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the desire to limit or even stop "trolling" posts. But forums are forums. And this is how forums have been for over a decade. Furthermore, forum posters for a game are like their own little community, representing albeit a smaller number of the overall subscriber base. If a third of the total game's population wants to sit on their forum and troll each other... let them.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 8:54am by Magilicotti
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So basically an even dumber version of the Beta forums.

That is... wow.
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So they actually put grinding in as a requirement for their forums too? Classic!
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#13 Aug 22 2013 at 6:52 AM Rating: Good
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I can't exactly say I blame them after seeing the sort of apocalyptic wasteland that General Discussion turned in to on the Beta forums, much less several other sub-forums.

All the same, they're definitely going off the deep end in regards to countering that. A limit on started threads, I could certainly understand. But the amount of posts per day coupled with the time limit between them is downright nutty.
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#14 Aug 22 2013 at 6:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Do you think it's to deter gold seller spam?
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Thank you for helping to spread awareness of this, and linking my thread here, I will continue to spread awareness of the issue and try to convince people to speak up about it.
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#16 Aug 22 2013 at 7:00 AM Rating: Good
I'm pretty sure they had done this in the past temporarily too to limit traffic.
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You're welcome Scish! I would add my own comments there, but it'll have to wait until tomorrow apparently.
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I cant even see the posts you have linked, so I think any restrictions they have in place are completely necessary at the moment, because they clearly don't have the infrastructure to handle the current load.
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It begs the question: Why have a forum if you don't want people using it?
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Just another reason to only use ZAM :)
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I don't see any problems with this. Pretty smart actually.

Also "* This restriction does not apply to the "Technical Support," "Bug Reports," "New Player Help" and "Community Events" forums and sub-forums. However, please note that off-topic threads that do not match the intended theme of the sub-forum will be deleted. Please make sure that thread content matches with the theme of the forum before you create a thread.
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ridiculous posting limits!
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then again, we have the zam forums, so we won't need to make many posts there =D

That was my gameplan :)
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Sovjohn wrote:
Square Enix has launched the FFXIV forums and closed down the beta ones, but...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/63381-Forum-Design-and-Features-Update-%28Aug.-22%29?p=1015217#post1015217

[b]It appears they are the most heavily restricted forums, for paying customers mind you (since you need an ARR character to post in there), in the history of gaming.



YAAAY! 3 posts per day! Smiley: banghead

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I managed to get it to accept my character and open the rule post now, and after seeing this I am even more fine with their current restrictions.
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Based on what the Beta forums were like, this is a good thing. Hopefully all the trolls have the "If I'm not allowed to post here, I'll go elsewhere attitude."
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I wish people would read before they posted these threads. It makes situations look worse then they usually are.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 10:52am by Mopdaddy
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Based on what the Beta forums were like, this is a good thing. Hopefully all the trolls have the "If I'm not allowed to post here, I'll go elsewhere attitude."


Actually, I had never planned to troll the main forums until I just read about this stupid limitation... Smiley: sly
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I wish people would read before they posted these threads. It makes situations look worse then they usually are.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 10:52am by Mopdaddy


Ok, you get two more posts today then I'll start nuking everything else. Make 'em count! Smiley: laugh
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Mopdaddy wrote:
I wish people would read before they posted these threads. It makes situations look worse then they usually are.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 10:52am by Mopdaddy


Ok, you get two more posts today then I'll start nuking everything else. Make 'em count! Smiley: laugh


Smiley: nod This is how Wint rolls! Smiley: grin
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Wint wrote:
Mopdaddy wrote:
I wish people would read before they posted these threads. It makes situations look worse then they usually are.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 10:52am by Mopdaddy


Ok, you get two more posts today then I'll start nuking everything else. Make 'em count! Smiley: laugh

I'm lvl 50 though so I get 20. I also get unlimited in the ones that matter.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 11:09am by Mopdaddy
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I like the setup actually.
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I managed to get it to accept my character and open the rule post now, and after seeing this I am even more fine with their current restrictions.
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So you just decided to buy the game. You're excited about it, and want to discuss the game in the forums they provided you. You see many different forums you'd like to learn about, ask questions to and discuss with others. Lore. The FATE system. Crafting. Even a place to communicate to your fellow adventurers for your server. Unfortunately, you are new to the game and you are only allowed 3 posts per day.

Now not that I am a heavy forum poster. I had 200 in beta, and the majority were discussions for feedback purposes. When I get a character to 50, and can post 20 posts a day, and create 5 threads per day, I highly doubt I will ever do that many in a single day. But if I was inclined to do so, I should be allowed to join the various discussions.
They want to hinder spam, multiple thread creation, and overall trolling. Kudos. But at the expense to others that adhere to normal tried and true forum policy guidelines isn't the way to do it.

Until these strict posting polices are lifted or adjusted to reasonable measures, each post I am allowed to will go to voicing my dissatisfaction.

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Based on what the Beta forums were like, this is a good thing. Hopefully all the trolls have the "If I'm not allowed to post here, I'll go elsewhere attitude."


Actually, I had never planned to troll the main forums until I just read about this stupid limitation... Smiley: sly

I gotta call BS on this one:). You know you wanted to troll it:).

On a side note, I hope that it doesn't drive other people away. I was actually really happy when the trolls started leaving the ZAM forums for the Beta forums...

This was my home for 11, and since 14 has been, well, we will call it less than abysmal, there has really been nothing much to post about anything, or to read that wasn't troll-bate or otherwise.

I can't wait to get my initial tanking gearset up, and to get some info on minions going soon, and share it with all.

Which, on a side note, for all you crafters, beware the trap that is the Dullahan (and the Vangard for that matter). It is an awesome minion that is specifically designed to pull Darksteel out of the economy. Given the current difficulty of creating darksteel nuggets, the abundant supply of Darksteel ore and nuggets out there, and the OBSCENELY difficult process to get new ones, I have a feeling those pets are going to spike in price once people start running out, and the gear, which is still pretty good is going to also spike significantly.

Each Dullahan costs 9 Darksteel Ore (3 Nuggets) to make. I have not even seen the node that spawns that you can get Darksteel from, but it is a * node (for those that don't know, these nodes have a 10/20/30 minute apparently random spawn time, and require you use 300 GP before you can even start gathering from the node, but, you typically get 3x items per attempt, and get 1 additional attempt per node, and are level 50).

Hopefully the nodes appear in the Early Access... but I digress...
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Thank god I am not the only one that loled with the situation.

What really gets me is the 15min restriction per post. I mean come on!!

Keep hearing there were a lot of trolls in 1.0 forums...so? The job of an admin/mod is to moderate the forums and delete/close threads ban (temporarily/full) people and give warnings all around. If they had that many trolls it only means the admins didn't know how to do their job or SE didn't give them enough power.

With that been said I will post in that thread. It's the "I should make this 1 post count) situation I said in the other thread. I shall put it to good use.
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Aaaaand how awesome is that. It doesn't even let me post the reason is beyond be of course since I linked my char and haven't made any other post. Awesome just awesome.

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I wish people would read before they posted these threads. It makes situations look worse then they usually are.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 10:52am by Mopdaddy


Ok, you get two more posts today then I'll start nuking everything else. Make 'em count! Smiley: laugh

I'm lvl 50 though so I get 20. I also get unlimited in the ones that matter.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 11:09am by Mopdaddy


No no, you get to experience this from a new person's perspective, since you don't seem to be able to put yourself in their shoes.
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When I was browsing the beta forums, I noticed a lot of threads that kept repeating the same topic that was raised many times before. I also noticed how staggering the post count in the English forums were. The English general had about 4000 pages while the Japanese general had about 400.
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When I was browsing the beta forums, I noticed a lot of threads that kept repeating the same topic that was raised many times before. I also noticed how staggering the post count in the English forums were. The English general had about 4000 pages while the Japanese general had about 400.


Okay forum mods can react to those situations. Heck, they can ban those that refuse to adhere to the forum polices and guidelines. How about they take corrective actions on those instead of punishing the rest?
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So you just decided to buy the game. You're excited about it, and want to discuss the game in the forums they provided you. You see many different forums you'd like to learn about, ask questions to and discuss with others. Lore. The FATE system. Crafting. Even a place to communicate to your fellow adventurers for your server. Unfortunately, you are new to the game and you are only allowed 3 posts per day.

I am a new player and need help with something I can post in "New Player Help" without restriction.
Should I be having a problem with my account I can post in "Technical Support" without restriction.
If I have encountered a bug in game I can post in "Bug Reports" without restriction.
What I can't do is just is just spam general guff all over the place, and should I feel like I really need to post even more I can always use google to find extra places like Zam who are more than happy for the extra traffic.
This is in addition to the fact most players don't even bother with the forums, and nor should they be required to enjoy the game.
All pertinent information and links to support should be within the launcher, which half the players don't even bother to read given the questions you normally encounter in these games.
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When I was browsing the beta forums, I noticed a lot of threads that kept repeating the same topic that was raised many times before. I also noticed how staggering the post count in the English forums were. The English general had about 4000 pages while the Japanese general had about 400.


Okay forum mods can react to those situations. Heck, they can ban those that refuse to adhere to the forum polices and guidelines. How about they take corrective actions on those instead of punishing the rest?


I'd limit the English forums too honestly :\ It was literally like walking into a room of people shoving and yelling over each other and repeating the same things 7 times over and over using the excuse "I didn't see this posted yet but I didn't choose to go past the first page."

At that point, wouldn't you just say ***** it and throw in universal limits? Otherwise the English forums would get horrible like it did in Beta lol.
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When I was browsing the beta forums, I noticed a lot of threads that kept repeating the same topic that was raised many times before. I also noticed how staggering the post count in the English forums were. The English general had about 4000 pages while the Japanese general had about 400.


Okay forum mods can react to those situations. Heck, they can ban those that refuse to adhere to the forum polices and guidelines. How about they take corrective actions on those instead of punishing the rest?


I'd limit the English forums too honestly :\ It was literally like walking into a room of people shoving and yelling over each other and repeating the same things 7 times over and over using the excuse "I didn't see this posted yet but I didn't choose to go past the first page."

At that point, wouldn't you just say ***** it and throw in universal limits? Otherwise the English forums would get horrible like it did in Beta lol.


Considering the forum is only accessible to those that have active subscriptions (like in FFXI), I doubt it can ever reach those levels in the first place.
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So you just decided to buy the game. You're excited about it, and want to discuss the game in the forums they provided you. You see many different forums you'd like to learn about, ask questions to and discuss with others. Lore. The FATE system. Crafting. Even a place to communicate to your fellow adventurers for your server. Unfortunately, you are new to the game and you are only allowed 3 posts per day.

I am a new player and need help with something I can post in "New Player Help" without restriction.
Should I be having a problem with my account I can post in "Technical Support" without restriction.
If I have encountered a bug in game I can post in "Bug Reports" without restriction.
What I can't do is just is just spam general guff all over the place, and should I feel like I really need to post even more I can always use google to find extra places like Zam who are more than happy for the extra traffic.
This is in addition to the fact most players don't even bother with the forums, and nor should they be required to enjoy the game.
All pertinent information and links to support should be within the launcher, which half the players don't even bother to read given the questions you normally encounter in these games.



I understand the majority of you are happy with sites like ZAM for your community gaming needs. I personally haven't actively participated in ZAM for years. I've been a member of it for 20 years, with some paid subs thrown in on occasion. I have no large post count, so you can see I am not someone who posts a lot. This is true for most forums I subscribe to.

For better or worse, I've stayed with the games official forums. That is where I want to post. You wouldn't agree to those restrictions here. So why should those that prefer posting on official forums?
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Whelp, considering I can't even seem to log in with Firefox or Chrome it doesn't look like the limitations will matter to me!
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I'm lvl 50 though so I get 20. I also get unlimited in the ones that matter.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 11:09am by Mopdaddy



Sooo.. let me get this straight.. you only care about yourself and if it doesn't bother you than everything is A OK? thats like saying "well i dont need a wheelchair why does this building need a ramp" Not everyone is gonna rush to 50 jsut to get forum up to its max potential. Seems like SE is taking things alittle to far with the rules.

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I wish people would read before they posted these threads. It makes situations look worse then they usually are.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 10:52am by Mopdaddy


Ok, you get two more posts today then I'll start nuking everything else. Make 'em count! Smiley: laugh

I'm lvl 50 though so I get 20. I also get unlimited in the ones that matter.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 11:09am by Mopdaddy


No no, you get to experience this from a new person's perspective, since you don't seem to be able to put yourself in their shoes.



I really want to rate you up now. :P
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I must have had...100-ish (perhaps less) posts in the Beta forums.

But most of them, I mean, 8/10 were over 1,000 characters, for a variety of reasons. Same goes for Zam and everywhere really, small / tiny posts are in the minority where I'm concerned.

I do value good (read: non-troll-ish) debate however.
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So they essentially want Twitter forums.

Or, I guess, Kwehter.
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So they essentially want Twitter forums.

Or, I guess, Kwehter.


Yeah that's pretty much what I was thinking too.

A 1000-character limit on posts in discussion forums severely limits the feedback that players are able to provide about the game, at least in the obvious place to provide feedback about a game. It's a step backwards on their path to better communication with the community.

Either that or they really just can't be bothered to read anything longer than a paragraph.
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I rarely post in forums so I read way more than I post, those rules make the site just a Q&A for the game. So as a rank 40 you can create 3 post a day with a space of 1 hour apart unless it's the 3rd Tuesday with a blue moon rising then you only post once with a character limit of 42 unless the thread is popular, then it really gets complicated. Smiley: lol Who needs administrators if the posters follow those soup **** rules. No post for you!
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