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#52 Aug 22 2013 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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#53 Aug 22 2013 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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Archmage Callinon wrote:
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So they essentially want Twitter forums.

Or, I guess, Kwehter.


Yeah that's pretty much what I was thinking too.

A 1000-character limit on posts in discussion forums severely limits the feedback that players are able to provide about the game, at least in the obvious place to provide feedback about a game. It's a step backwards on their path to better communication with the community.

Either that or they really just can't be bothered to read anything longer than a paragraph.


One can only hope that the old workaround from the Beta forums will still work, which was that you could simply edit your post after it was posted, and then add as much extra content as you wanted to it right away, since the time restriction nor character limit affected that.

I'm sort of reminded of the denseness that the old development team had when it came to 1.x and the chat system in-game. At the beginning and for months afterwards the character limit was something around 80 characters, barely half a tweet. That's all well and good for your Japanese players and posters who can condense much of their conversation in to symbols that represent whole phrases or several words, but imagine how painfully annoying that is for English speakers. And let's not even consider how bad it will be for the Germans, whose whole vocabulary is all about combining words together wholesale.

I think Elmerthepointy, an old friend of mine and former ZAM Moderator, even wrote up a op-ed about that very issue back during 1.x as well.

Anyway, getting a little off track. The point is that the character limitation is incredibly silly. Threads per day limit? Totally fine and cool, and makes plenty of sense. But post restrictions built around time and characters is far too restrictive.
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#54 Aug 22 2013 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent
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You are able to edit your posts after a limit is reached. That's something at least.

And it's a full 24 hours after the limit is reached til you can post again. Not after midnight GMT/PDT.

Well I suppose it is what it is. And it's a shame. I can get behind them trying to combat violations, just not at the expense of those that do not break forum guidelines.
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#55 Aug 22 2013 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm lvl 50 though so I get 20. I also get unlimited in the ones that matter.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 11:09am by Mopdaddy



Sooo.. let me get this straight.. you only care about yourself and if it doesn't bother you than everything is A OK? thats like saying "well i dont need a wheelchair why does this building need a ramp" Not everyone is gonna rush to 50 jsut to get forum up to its max potential. Seems like SE is taking things alittle to far with the rules.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 12:10pm by silverhope

Putting words in people's mouth's shame on you. Every area a new player will need to post they have unlimited posts... Let me know what problems someone might have with this?

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 12:46pm by Mopdaddy
#56 Aug 22 2013 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Mopdaddy wrote:
silverhope wrote:
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I'm lvl 50 though so I get 20. I also get unlimited in the ones that matter.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 11:09am by Mopdaddy



Sooo.. let me get this straight.. you only care about yourself and if it doesn't bother you than everything is A OK? thats like saying "well i dont need a wheelchair why does this building need a ramp" Not everyone is gonna rush to 50 jsut to get forum up to its max potential. Seems like SE is taking things alittle to far with the rules.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 12:10pm by silverhope

Putting words in people's mouth's shame on you. Every area a new player will need to post they have unlimited posts...


Need to post, okay. Want to post? Why have different forums created for Lore, Crafting, Worlds, Quests, Dungeons, Guildleves, Fate, Companies, Hunting Logs, Market and Retainers, etc if newer and lower level characters have to pick one or another a day to discuss in?
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#57 Aug 22 2013 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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Satisiun wrote:
Archmage Callinon wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
So they essentially want Twitter forums.

Or, I guess, Kwehter.


Yeah that's pretty much what I was thinking too.

A 1000-character limit on posts in discussion forums severely limits the feedback that players are able to provide about the game, at least in the obvious place to provide feedback about a game. It's a step backwards on their path to better communication with the community.

Either that or they really just can't be bothered to read anything longer than a paragraph.


One can only hope that the old workaround from the Beta forums will still work, which was that you could simply edit your post after it was posted, and then add as much extra content as you wanted to it right away, since the time restriction nor character limit affected that.


The workaround does work, praise the Crystal or something.

I'll have you know that there is a hidden character limit per post, even post-edit, and that's 70,000 characters. While much more reasonable than 1,000 (duh!), I was able to reach it when i had pasted several articles inside a single post, creating a monstrous thread which was on the verge of breaching 70,000 characters.

Of course, the very same thread here on Zam, containing more than 70,000 characters in the end, did survive perfectly well. Which is one of the hidden reasons Zam rules Smiley: cool
#58 Aug 22 2013 at 10:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mopdaddy wrote:

Putting words in people's mouth's shame on you. Every area a new player will need to post they have unlimited posts... Let me know what problems someone might have with this?



What about general disscusion where we can just share and have convos with other players? or what if i ahve a issue with a quest or a class question..? I get to ask the question. than hope the answers make sense to me because I might not have any posts left.. Seems like were being hand tied for no reason.
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It is kinda sad, while I understand they want people to use the search function and to try to be a little more productive in their posts than a "lol /10chars", it seems like a disservice to productive topics between people, and limits the ability of people to defend their posts or to follow up.

Than again ***** the official forums Zam is way more useful and the community is solid. Now if I can only fix my signature Smiley: nod
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#60 Aug 22 2013 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Deletion of a thread/post will not allow you to obtain another chance to post either. But as stated earlier, editing a post does work after post limit reached.
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#61 Aug 22 2013 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just had a thought about the 1000 character limit, which should have been mentioned in my prior post. The people most likely making the decisions on forums guidelines are Japanese and 1000 kanji characters (words) can say a **** of alot more than a 1000 characters in English. Sounds like something they overlooked.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 1:51pm by PyrielDD
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#62 Aug 22 2013 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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The only reason I would feel the need to post at a first party forum is to report a bug. But my past experiences with posting bugs has jaded me. I highly doubt it's worthwhile for me to post a bug on a message board, even if it's hosted by the company that made and maintains the game.
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#63 Aug 22 2013 at 11:37 AM Rating: Default
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silverhope wrote:
Mopdaddy wrote:

Putting words in people's mouth's shame on you. Every area a new player will need to post they have unlimited posts... Let me know what problems someone might have with this?



What about general disscusion where we can just share and have convos with other players? or what if i ahve a issue with a quest or a class question..? I get to ask the question. than hope the answers make sense to me because I might not have any posts left.. Seems like were being hand tied for no reason.

I love when the hypothetical questions come b.v that is when you know people are grasping at straws. Also read again which areas have unlimited posts.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 1:40pm by Mopdaddy
#64 Aug 22 2013 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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You can't create a thread until you are lv. 25? Oh, come on...


I can see why they implemented this. How many times do we see sneaky gits who create a new level 1 character with zero posts just to troll the forums?
#65 Aug 22 2013 at 11:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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When I was browsing the beta forums, I noticed a lot of threads that kept repeating the same topic that was raised many times before. I also noticed how staggering the post count in the English forums were. The English general had about 4000 pages while the Japanese general had about 400.


Okay forum mods can react to those situations. Heck, they can ban those that refuse to adhere to the forum polices and guidelines. How about they take corrective actions on those instead of punishing the rest?


After responding to a troll in the beta forums, his opinion was that FFXIV was going to fail through lack of players and it would go FTP in a very short time. Foolishly, I called him a low post count troll, who just wanted to make a name for himself or he would have posted in the myriad of threads made on the subject. The thread went on forever and he and others said much worse.

I played FFXI for 11 years, FFXIV for 6 months and never ever got even one GM visit nor ban, the comment above got me suspended for 270 hours and the threat of banning access to my FFXI forum my FFXIV forum and if I persist in my actions then a possible banning of my account entirely as these infractions are cumulative. I was crushed!

This is the corrective action that was taken against me!
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#66 Aug 22 2013 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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ragamuffin the Fussy wrote:
Magilicotti wrote:
Solonuke wrote:
When I was browsing the beta forums, I noticed a lot of threads that kept repeating the same topic that was raised many times before. I also noticed how staggering the post count in the English forums were. The English general had about 4000 pages while the Japanese general had about 400.


Okay forum mods can react to those situations. Heck, they can ban those that refuse to adhere to the forum polices and guidelines. How about they take corrective actions on those instead of punishing the rest?


After responding to a troll in the beta forums, his opinion was that FFXIV was going to fail through lack of players and it would go FTP in a very short time. Foolishly, I called him a low post count troll, who just wanted to make a name for himself or he would have posted in the myriad of threads made on the subject. The thread went on forever and he and others said much worse.

I played FFXI for 11 years, FFXIV for 6 months and never ever got even one GM visit nor ban, the comment above got me suspended for 270 hours and the threat of banning access to my FFXI forum my FFXIV forum and if I persist in my actions then a possible banning of my account entirely as these infractions are cumulative. I was crushed!

This is the corrective action that was taken against me!


Hence the term "trolling" they were fishing for negativity and than when they hooked you they reported you. It is best to simply report people who troll rather than allow your self to be hooked.
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#67 Aug 22 2013 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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ragamuffin the Fussy wrote:
Magilicotti wrote:
Solonuke wrote:
When I was browsing the beta forums, I noticed a lot of threads that kept repeating the same topic that was raised many times before. I also noticed how staggering the post count in the English forums were. The English general had about 4000 pages while the Japanese general had about 400.


Okay forum mods can react to those situations. Heck, they can ban those that refuse to adhere to the forum polices and guidelines. How about they take corrective actions on those instead of punishing the rest?


After responding to a troll in the beta forums, his opinion was that FFXIV was going to fail through lack of players and it would go FTP in a very short time. Foolishly, I called him a low post count troll, who just wanted to make a name for himself or he would have posted in the myriad of threads made on the subject. The thread went on forever and he and others said much worse.

I played FFXI for 11 years, FFXIV for 6 months and never ever got even one GM visit nor ban, the comment above got me suspended for 270 hours and the threat of banning access to my FFXI forum my FFXIV forum and if I persist in my actions then a possible banning of my account entirely as these infractions are cumulative. I was crushed!

This is the corrective action that was taken against me!


Hence the term "trolling" they were fishing for negativity and than when they hooked you they reported you. It is best to simply report people who troll rather than allow your self to be hooked.



Trust me, lesson learned, I will never interact on Squeenix forums again.
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#68 Aug 22 2013 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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If it's anything like the Beta forums, you can get around the character limit by posting something under 1000 characters, then editing it. When editing, you can enter as much as you like, plus it doesn't count toward your posts and is unaffected by the time limit. This is assuming it's the same infrastructure as the Beta forums, of course.
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ragamuffin the Fussy wrote:
PyrielDD wrote:
ragamuffin the Fussy wrote:
Magilicotti wrote:
Solonuke wrote:
When I was browsing the beta forums, I noticed a lot of threads that kept repeating the same topic that was raised many times before. I also noticed how staggering the post count in the English forums were. The English general had about 4000 pages while the Japanese general had about 400.


Okay forum mods can react to those situations. Heck, they can ban those that refuse to adhere to the forum polices and guidelines. How about they take corrective actions on those instead of punishing the rest?


After responding to a troll in the beta forums, his opinion was that FFXIV was going to fail through lack of players and it would go FTP in a very short time. Foolishly, I called him a low post count troll, who just wanted to make a name for himself or he would have posted in the myriad of threads made on the subject. The thread went on forever and he and others said much worse.

I played FFXI for 11 years, FFXIV for 6 months and never ever got even one GM visit nor ban, the comment above got me suspended for 270 hours and the threat of banning access to my FFXI forum my FFXIV forum and if I persist in my actions then a possible banning of my account entirely as these infractions are cumulative. I was crushed!

This is the corrective action that was taken against me!


Hence the term "trolling" they were fishing for negativity and than when they hooked you they reported you. It is best to simply report people who troll rather than allow your self to be hooked.



Trust me, lesson learned, I will never interact on Squeenix forums again.


Okay, let me try to understand.

Some individual posted his opinion (I'm guessing in General Chat forum) on what he believed would happen with the game. You responded with name calling
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I called him a low post count troll
and proceed to berate his opinion
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who just wanted to make a name for himself or he would have posted in the myriad of threads made on the subject
instead of simply disagreeing with him while offering your counter opinions on why you thought he was wrong.

And... you wonder why you got in trouble with SE's forum moderators?

I'm not sure what you believe the definition of a forum troll is. But I believe you were acting as such.
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#70 Aug 22 2013 at 1:37 PM Rating: Default
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Square Enix has launched the FFXIV forums and closed down the beta ones, but...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/63381-Forum-Design-and-Features-Update-%28Aug.-22%29?p=1015217#post1015217

[b]It appears they are the most heavily restricted forums, for paying customers mind you (since you need an ARR character to post in there), in the history of gaming.



YAAAY! 3 posts per day! Smiley: banghead

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 9:49am by Valkayree

Ya I just ran into that, that is utter bs
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How many times do we see sneaky gits who create a new level 1 character with zero posts just to troll the forums?
Conversely, when are people most likely to ask for assistance; When they're just starting or at a theoretical half-way point?

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 3:40pm by lolgaxe
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lolgaxe wrote:
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How many times do we see sneaky gits who create a new level 1 character with zero posts just to troll the forums?
Conversely, when are people most likely to ask for assistance; When they're just starting or at a theoretical half-way point?


Oddly, it's a bit of a mercy they can't ask on the official forums unless it's on the support boards. They'd probably eaten for breakfast under the old rules.

And it's good news for Zam, at the very least.
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And it's good news for Zam, at the very least.


Give us your poor, your angry, your hungry trolls...?
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Which, on a side note, for all you crafters, beware the trap that is the Dullahan (and the Vangard for that matter). It is an awesome minion that is specifically designed to pull Darksteel out of the economy. Given the current difficulty of creating darksteel nuggets, the abundant supply of Darksteel ore and nuggets out there, and the OBSCENELY difficult process to get new ones, I have a feeling those pets are going to spike in price once people start running out, and the gear, which is still pretty good is going to also spike significantly.

Each Dullahan costs 9 Darksteel Ore (3 Nuggets) to make. I have not even seen the node that spawns that you can get Darksteel from, but it is a * node (for those that don't know, these nodes have a 10/20/30 minute apparently random spawn time, and require you use 300 GP before you can even start gathering from the node, but, you typically get 3x items per attempt, and get 1 additional attempt per node, and are level 50).

Hopefully the nodes appear in the Early Access... but I digress...


Offtopic but responding to this post.

Do not fear my friend. By the time you get to high level crafting with good gear and good materia, the GP limit will be easily met. The nodes may appear random but actually pop at the same time (Eorzean clock) every day in roughly the same area. Using Kings Yield and other skills you can increase the collection rate. If anything, this ore is even easier to get hold of now than it was in 1.0. I have about 4 stacks of ore and lots of Nuggets on my legacy character and I am concerned that these have been devalued by these changes.

I played a bit of lvl 50 gatherer on my legacy character in beta 3 and am hoping they make collecting the ore (and other starred items) more difficult. This is, afterall, the reward for reaching 50 with a gathering class.

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And it's good news for Zam, at the very least.


Give us your poor, your angry, your hungry trolls...?


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#76 Aug 22 2013 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
Magilicotti wrote:
ragamuffin the Fussy wrote:
PyrielDD wrote:
ragamuffin the Fussy wrote:
Magilicotti wrote:
Solonuke wrote:
When I was browsing the beta forums, I noticed a lot of threads that kept repeating the same topic that was raised many times before. I also noticed how staggering the post count in the English forums were. The English general had about 4000 pages while the Japanese general had about 400.


Okay forum mods can react to those situations. Heck, they can ban those that refuse to adhere to the forum polices and guidelines. How about they take corrective actions on those instead of punishing the rest?


After responding to a troll in the beta forums, his opinion was that FFXIV was going to fail through lack of players and it would go FTP in a very short time. Foolishly, I called him a low post count troll, who just wanted to make a name for himself or he would have posted in the myriad of threads made on the subject. The thread went on forever and he and others said much worse.

I played FFXI for 11 years, FFXIV for 6 months and never ever got even one GM visit nor ban, the comment above got me suspended for 270 hours and the threat of banning access to my FFXI forum my FFXIV forum and if I persist in my actions then a possible banning of my account entirely as these infractions are cumulative. I was crushed!

This is the corrective action that was taken against me!


Hence the term "trolling" they were fishing for negativity and than when they hooked you they reported you. It is best to simply report people who troll rather than allow your self to be hooked.



Trust me, lesson learned, I will never interact on Squeenix forums again.


Okay, let me try to understand.

Some individual posted his opinion (I'm guessing in General Chat forum) on what he believed would happen with the game. You responded with name calling
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I called him a low post count troll
and proceed to berate his opinion
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who just wanted to make a name for himself or he would have posted in the myriad of threads made on the subject
instead of simply disagreeing with him while offering your counter opinions on why you thought he was wrong.

And... you wonder why you got in trouble with SE's forum moderators?

I'm not sure what you believe the definition of a forum troll is. But I believe you were acting as such.




To some extent I agree I should have said Please post this in the 200 + Threads on the subject even though he was being an utter troll and was excellent in goading people to react to his taunting enough said, however usually one receives a warning or a short 1-2 day ban, what I got was draconian by any measure. I also will point out the frustrations of watching these people posting the same negative rubbish about FFXIV several times a day in new threads and no forum mod in sight.

I disagree with you on 1 point though, I am not never have and never will be a forum troll sir.
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