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#1 Aug 22 2013 at 11:23 AM Rating: Excellent
PLEASE VOTE IN BOTH POLLS! The other can be found here.


Name says it all... other than Karma Zameleons, which of these alternative names would be preferred for our Free Company?

Choose your favorite alternative option to Karma Zameleons for our FC:
ZAM :20 (30.8%)
Allakhazam:12 (18.5%)
Kraken Club :33 (50.8%)
Total:65


Although the other poll hasn't been open too long, these are the names that have already separated themselves somewhat from the rest. If there are no statistical surprises in the other poll, then tomorrow we can pit the winner in this poll head-to-head against Karma Zameleons for a final FC name vote.

Not the most scientific way to go about this, but given the time constraints, this poll will be helpful.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 10:26am by Thayos

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#2 Aug 22 2013 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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And again, I like me some ZAM.
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#3 Aug 22 2013 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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once again ZAM
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#4 Aug 22 2013 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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It doesn't seem particularly fair that these three names get two chances to win.
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This bracket thing is fun :-)
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It doesn't seem particularly fair that these three names get two chances to win.


Not really win, just for the right to compete against Karma Zamelions in a two way runoff
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I'm going ZAM this time.... I just think it would be so cool to have the <ZAM> tag under our names.

Really it's a toss-up I'll be happy just to be in the FC with you guys whatever you name it.
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#8 Aug 22 2013 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
Well we already know that in a pool of all the options, Karma Zameleons will win.

However, there are lots of people who simply would prefer a different name for the FC, so anything but a head-to-head vote doesn't really give that crowd an adequate voice.

By choosing the strongest "alternative" name, we'll get to see whether the desire to have something different outweighs the already interesting name we've chosen for our linkshell.

Nothing is set in stone, either... for example, I voted for ZAM in this poll... but if ZAM doesn't win out, then I'll just vote for Karma Zameleons in the final poll, because I don't believe the other alternative names are strong enough. So, there's a good chance Karma Zameleons will still win... but the "something different" crowd needs to be represented with a strong name candidate.

Otherwise, the final vote will be the Karma Zameleon crowd versus a divided crowd among two or three other things, in which case we might as well not even have a finalist vote.

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#9 Aug 22 2013 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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i went allakhazam again but zam will win lol

ZAM makes me think of Jelly

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#11 Aug 22 2013 at 11:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Two names enter, one name leaves.

Edit: Yes, I know there are three names. I was playing on what Thayos said with the head to head reference.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 1:42pm by Geffe
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Thayos wrote:
However, there are lots of people who simply would prefer a different name for the FC, so anything but a head-to-head vote doesn't really give that crowd an adequate voice.
But you're shutting out six other voices because three slightly louder voices might possibly feel hurt their choice isn't being used. And as of this post, the lead is ahead by something close to a three to one ratio so you're, obviously inadvertently, telling them their voice is only worth half of what the middle group's is.
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I kind of agree with lolgaxe. Since it's such a landslide in favor of Karma Zameleons, it's almost like we're specifically trying to make it lose if we just pit it 1 on 1 versus the winner of the other three. It's like we're saying, well the majority clearly want Karma Zameleons, but maybe if we can pit it properly another winner will come out. I dunno. This whole thing has gotten too complicated lol.
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#14 Aug 22 2013 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
Are we having a LS name and a FC name?
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#15 Aug 22 2013 at 11:59 AM Rating: Excellent
That's also why I didn't close the other poll, and why I linked to it in this poll.

Really, we're just very pressed for time, and there's no great way to do this. We definitely need to have a finalist vote with only two options, in order to give a proper voice to the number of people who simply want something other than what we have for the linkshell name. This is the fastest way to go about that. If we don't rush it, then we can more thoroughly work our way toward that final head-to-head vote.

Taking our time would be totally fine by me, but I know a lot of people probably want to hammer this out by the start of early launch.
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I kind of agree with lolgaxe. Since it's such a landslide in favor of Karma Zameleons, it's almost like we're specifically trying to make it lose if we just pit it 1 on 1 versus the winner of the other three. It's like we're saying, well the majority clearly want Karma Zameleons, but maybe if we can pit it properly another winner will come out. I dunno. This whole thing has gotten too complicated lol.


Welcome to the spoiler effect

Karma Zameleons has the most votes even though the majority of voters don't want it.
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#17 Aug 22 2013 at 12:02 PM Rating: Excellent
Just looking at the other poll, it looks like we're heading toward a KZ - ZAM faceoff regardless, and that was also the early indication even before I made this second poll.

We could be incredibly thorough about this... really though, it's not overly complex, and I doubt the trends will be changing much throughout the day.
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#18 Aug 22 2013 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Are we having a LS name and a FC name?


We already have a linkshell name: Karma Zameleons.

Right now, we're trying to figure out a name for the free company. It may or may not be the same as the linkshell name, depending on how the polling goes.
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Archmage Callinon wrote:
BartelX wrote:
I kind of agree with lolgaxe. Since it's such a landslide in favor of Karma Zameleons, it's almost like we're specifically trying to make it lose if we just pit it 1 on 1 versus the winner of the other three. It's like we're saying, well the majority clearly want Karma Zameleons, but maybe if we can pit it properly another winner will come out. I dunno. This whole thing has gotten too complicated lol.


Welcome to the spoiler effect

Karma Zameleons has the most votes even though the majority of voters don't want it.



But whos to say the majority of voters that don't want it. Won't vote for it if there is less choices to choose from?


Say Karma Zameleons Vs ZAM. Whats to say that all those people who voted in the original vote that didnt vote for Karma. Wouldn't pick Karma Zameleons in a vote between Karma vs ZAM.
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#20 Aug 22 2013 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
Thayos wrote:
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Are we having a LS name and a FC name?


We already have a linkshell name: Karma Zameleons.

Right now, we're trying to figure out a name for the free company. It may or may not be the same as the linkshell name, depending on how the polling goes.


In that case I would like the ls to remain Karma Kameleons and the FC name to be ZAM, my votes reflect this ^^
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BartelX wrote:
I kind of agree with lolgaxe. Since it's such a landslide in favor of Karma Zameleons, it's almost like we're specifically trying to make it lose if we just pit it 1 on 1 versus the winner of the other three. It's like we're saying, well the majority clearly want Karma Zameleons, but maybe if we can pit it properly another winner will come out. I dunno. This whole thing has gotten too complicated lol.

It's not necessarily a landslide though, in the KZ vs Anything Else poll, KZ is losing. All this is doing is saying, what's the best alternative to the people who don't want the same name for the FC. For instance, I want the Kraken Club, but if there's not enough support for that I would choose ZAM. Really a tournament style vote is the fairest way, but like you said there's not really enough time for that.
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Phasmoto wrote:

But whos to say the majority of voters that don't want it. Won't vote for it if there is less choices to choose from?


Say Karma Zameleons Vs ZAM. Whats to say that all those people who voted in the original vote that didnt vote for Karma. Wouldn't pick Karma Zameleons in a vote between Karma vs ZAM.


You're not entirely wrong. The right way to do this would have been to take a couple of days and do a poll on alternative names, without Karma in the mix. And then put the winner of that in a poll against Karma by itself.

But we don't have time for that.

And the current polling data shows that the majority of people want a different name. But because that side is very fragmented, it looks like Karma has a majority lead.

EDIT:

BTW, this counts as everyone's crash course in American electoral processes.

What should have happened was:
- Candidacy: People suggest names
- Primary: Poll the candidates to get a nominee
- General: Nominee vs Incumbent

Unfortunately time constraints forced some trimming of this process.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 1:13pm by Callinon
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Anakte wrote:
BartelX wrote:
I kind of agree with lolgaxe. Since it's such a landslide in favor of Karma Zameleons, it's almost like we're specifically trying to make it lose if we just pit it 1 on 1 versus the winner of the other three. It's like we're saying, well the majority clearly want Karma Zameleons, but maybe if we can pit it properly another winner will come out. I dunno. This whole thing has gotten too complicated lol.

It's not necessarily a landslide though, in the KZ vs Anything Else poll, KZ is losing. All this is doing is saying, what's the best alternative to the people who don't want the same name for the FC. For instance, I want the Kraken Club, but if there's not enough support for that I would choose ZAM. Really a tournament style vote is the fairest way, but like you said there's not really enough time for that.


It has changed a lot recently. At one point no more than an hour ago it was a 3:1 KZ advantage over any other option. Regardless, I will most likely be voting for the alternative option to KZ, I just wanted to make sure it was actually fair.
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Thayos wrote:
Just looking at the other poll, it looks like we're heading toward a KZ - ZAM faceoff regardless, and that was also the early indication even before I made this second poll.
Here's the million dollar question though: If Zam wins the original poll ahead of Karma Zameleons, are you still going to have a run off?
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BartelX wrote:
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BartelX wrote:
I kind of agree with lolgaxe. Since it's such a landslide in favor of Karma Zameleons, it's almost like we're specifically trying to make it lose if we just pit it 1 on 1 versus the winner of the other three. It's like we're saying, well the majority clearly want Karma Zameleons, but maybe if we can pit it properly another winner will come out. I dunno. This whole thing has gotten too complicated lol.

It's not necessarily a landslide though, in the KZ vs Anything Else poll, KZ is losing. All this is doing is saying, what's the best alternative to the people who don't want the same name for the FC. For instance, I want the Kraken Club, but if there's not enough support for that I would choose ZAM. Really a tournament style vote is the fairest way, but like you said there's not really enough time for that.


It has changed a lot recently. At one point no more than an hour ago it was a 3:1 KZ advantage over any other option. Regardless, I will most likely be voting for the alternative option to KZ, I just wanted to make sure it was actually fair.

No, I mean the poll in your original thread with only two options KZ or Change.
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Thayos wrote:
Just looking at the other poll, it looks like we're heading toward a KZ - ZAM faceoff regardless, and that was also the early indication even before I made this second poll.
Here's the million dollar question though: If Zam wins the original poll ahead of Karma Zameleons, are you still going to have a run off?

I thought no matter what there was going to be a runoff, as long as the last poll had multiple options. But now there's so many polls I'm losing track lol.
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#27 Aug 22 2013 at 12:20 PM Rating: Excellent
Yes, because the "something else" crowd is very fragmented.

People may have a favorite alternative option, but without that, the may just vote for KZ.

We need a championship vote, just so we know for certain that we have the name the majority wants.
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BTW, this counts as everyone's crash course in American electoral processes.

What should have happened was:
- Candidacy: People suggest names
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- General: Nominee vs Incumbent


You forgot 'Using tax dollars to pay for bribes and smoke-screen media in order to bolster your public opinion' :P
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I figured there would be a run off no matter what.
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Thayos wrote:
Yes, because the "something else" crowd is very fragmented.

People may have a favorite alternative option, but without that, the may just vote for KZ.

We need a championship vote, just so we know for certain that we have the name the majority wants.



Exactly after these couple of votes that have gone down. Its been narrowed down and down each displaying what makes a little bit more people happier.

After a championship vote we will know what makes people the most happiest. ALTHOUGH some may not be super happy. Due to there original vote didnt get picked.
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Archmage Callinon wrote:
BTW, this counts as everyone's crash course in American electoral processes.

What should have happened was:
- Candidacy: People suggest names
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You forgot 'Using tax dollars to pay for bribes and smoke-screen media in order to bolster your public opinion' :P


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Archmage Callinon wrote:
BTW, this counts as everyone's crash course in American electoral processes.

What should have happened was:
- Candidacy: People suggest names
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- General: Nominee vs Incumbent

Forget that, our government is totally broken. What we should have done was a system that works. Like the NFL. Put up all suggestions, everyone votes, and the names are seeded 1-whatever. Playoffs, and BAM name decided.

Come to think of it, our government would work better that way too, get the entire election process over in 1 month. It would work until Allakhazam was inevitably voted president.


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Once a names been picked. We could do a vote to see if people are happy with it. If not we could start from ground zero again. Do 50 more votes. lol, jk.
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Anakte wrote:
Archmage Callinon wrote:
BTW, this counts as everyone's crash course in American electoral processes.

What should have happened was:
- Candidacy: People suggest names
- Primary: Poll the candidates to get a nominee
- General: Nominee vs Incumbent

Forget that, our government is totally broken. What we should have done was a system that works. Like the NFL. Put up all suggestions, everyone votes, and the names are seeded 1-whatever. Playoffs, and BAM name decided.

Come to think of it, our government would work better that way too, get the entire election process over in 1 month. It would work until Allakhazam was inevitably voted president.


Or until Allahkazam was found to be using performance-enhancing drugs. Then the *** scandals and media circus. It'd be a mess.

Our electoral system is far from perfect... actually far from good... but it's what we've got, and it kinda sorta works in little niche cases like this one where we're just trying to make a simple decision as fairly as possible.
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What we should do is let whoever wins American Idol throw a dart at a map of the US. Then we look where the dart lands, and fly a monkey out to that location and kick it's little *** out of the back. It has a parachute, don't worry. The monkey lands in that area, and the first person that monkey holds hands with gets to be the President.
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What we should do is let whoever wins American Idol throw a dart at a map of the US. Then we look where the dart lands, and fly a monkey out to that location and kick it's little *** out of the back. It has a parachute, don't worry. The monkey lands in that area, and the first person that monkey holds hands with gets to be the President.



lmao, thanks for this. haha.
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#37 Aug 22 2013 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
Kraken Club is catching up... And growin on me, too.

Unleash the krakens?
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Phasmoto wrote:

But whos to say the majority of voters that don't want it. Won't vote for it if there is less choices to choose from?


Say Karma Zameleons Vs ZAM. Whats to say that all those people who voted in the original vote that didnt vote for Karma. Wouldn't pick Karma Zameleons in a vote between Karma vs ZAM.


This says it... ZAM Free Company Name
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Phasmoto wrote:

But whos to say the majority of voters that don't want it. Won't vote for it if there is less choices to choose from?


Say Karma Zameleons Vs ZAM. Whats to say that all those people who voted in the original vote that didnt vote for Karma. Wouldn't pick Karma Zameleons in a vote between Karma vs ZAM.


This says it... ZAM Free Company Name



Yea but, whos to say that the people wanting a new name wouldnt pick Karma , if there choice out of the many alternatives wasnt up for vote in the championship vote?

Maybe the many people that wanted an alternative would pick Karma over the Final alternative.
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#40 Aug 22 2013 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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Kraken Club is catching up... And growin on me, too.

Unleash the krakens?



I love the name Kracken Club, but it suffers from the same problem as something like the guild name Blood Bath and Beyond in WoW. Somebody thought of it originally, and props to them, then it was ripped off repeatedly for years. As a result, it isn't very original and quite a bit overused. I love the name, but that is why I didn't vote for it.
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Kraken Club is catching up... And growin on me, too.

Unleash the krakens?

If I had time I would photoshop an image from The Breakfast club with all of them wearing AF, and all of them holding a Kraken Club.
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If ZAM Wins this vote. I predict It may have a chance against Karma Zameleons.

However.

If Kraken Club wins this vote. I predict it will be a landslide victory for Karma Zameleons.
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I figured out the ultimate solution.

Kraken ZAMeleons. Done. Debate over.
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BartelX wrote:
I figured out the ultimate solution.

Kraken ZAMeleons. Done. Debate over.



I second this. lol
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Phasmoto wrote:

But whos to say the majority of voters that don't want it. Won't vote for it if there is less choices to choose from?


Say Karma Zameleons Vs ZAM. Whats to say that all those people who voted in the original vote that didnt vote for Karma. Wouldn't pick Karma Zameleons in a vote between Karma vs ZAM.


This says it... ZAM Free Company Name



Yea but, whos to say that the people wanting a new name wouldnt pick Karma , if there choice out of the many alternatives wasnt up for vote in the championship vote?

Maybe the many people that wanted an alternative would pick Karma over the Final alternative.


Well, if it's anything like our (America's) electoral process, as hinted by previous posts, it's probably rigged, so it doesn't matter anyhow.
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ZAM doesn't have any soul. Allakhazam does.


Truth!

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#48 Aug 22 2013 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good
At least Kraken Club is winning now, and not "ZAM".
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I say make one of each and duke it out in the Colosseum.
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#50 Aug 22 2013 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
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I toss a late entry into the ring: Kraken KhlaZAM!
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