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#1 Aug 22 2013 at 12:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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I noticed something playing this last beta. On the main story quest in Ul'dah, you eventually run into a merchant accusing a woman of stealing from him.

I'll post the description in a spoiler tag, in order to filter it out for those easily offended. If you are one of those people, don't peek, then get mad after the fact:

Originally, in Phase 3, the merchant calls her a thieving *****, but during Phase 4, it got changed to thieving mongrel or scoundrel, something similar, yet a whole lot 'tamer'

I'm not sure what to think of this. I remember seeing a post on the Beta forums where people were complaining the game wasn't toddler-friendly, due to certain references. Looks like SE listened.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 2:02pm by DragonBourne
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I noticed something playing this last beta. On the main story quest in Ul'dah, you eventually run into a merchant accusing a woman of stealing from him.

I'll post the description in a spoiler tag, in order to filter it out for those easily offended. If you are one of those people, don't peek, then get mad after the fact:

Originally, in Phase 3, the merchant calls her a thieving *****, but during Phase 4, it got changed to thieving mongrel or scoundrel, something similar, yet a whole lot 'tamer'

I'm not sure what to think of this. I remember seeing a post on the Beta forums where people were complaining the game wasn't toddler-friendly, due to certain references. Looks like SE listened.


Some would consider it misogyny, in this context, since this is a man who feels that since he has been wronged by this woman she should be forced to have *** with him as though she were a thieving ***** in order to make it up to him or he'd have her arrested.

Now, there are plenty of ***** and whoresons references that are still in the game's dialogues as of P4, meant to be taken in a lighthearted manner, but this scene itself goes beyond vulgarity and into implied rape which is a great deal more offensive than some off-color remarks. I think it's a step past the "T" rating and one of the ratings boards had them tone it down.

Edit: seems I lost the bulk of my original message, much to my chagrin

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 1:01am by Xoie
#3 Aug 22 2013 at 12:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Xoie wrote:

Some would consider it misogyny,


Or genuine-sounding dialog given the setting

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 1:20pm by Callinon
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#4 Aug 22 2013 at 12:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Xoie wrote:

Some would consider it misogyny,


Shallow people probably would. But I'm sure he'd have responded in kind had it been a thieving male prick Everything can't always be taken for face value. But i guess now we'll never know his true intentions. :P
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They probably took it down after my ex threatened to sue them for using her likeness Smiley: grin
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Isn't the game rated Teen. If they let me talk like I did when I was a teen I should be able to permanently scar some young minds.
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Isn't the game rated Teen. If they let me talk like I did when I was a teen I should be able to permanently scar some young minds.


This is exactly what I was thinking. We have the ESRB for a reason. When the text was in, the game was rated teen. People need to get over it. The game is clearly not friendly for toddlers - its rated T for teen!

Parents need to exercise their own censors instead of forcing everyone else to be censored along with their children.
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Man this is sad. During phase 3 I was telling my LS how I like how the story, and CS's seem to have no boundaries. Like anything could happen, and be said. I was really looking forward to what else they put in the game. Guess all that has been toned down now. Smiley: bah
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They better not crossover Barrett into this game...
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Woud a word like that really cause damage to a young person? I hate to see what happens to that person when they enter the real world.
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Woud a word like that really cause damage to a young person? I hate to see what happens to that person when they enter the real world.


We live in the era of political correctness. I won't go into how detrimental political correctness is to our society in the long run but they are going to want to do whatever they can to not put off anyone. They want to make as much money as possible so stuff like that won't be happening again. They gotta keep those 3 people that didn't like it happy.


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#12 Aug 22 2013 at 1:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I reckon, seems silly to me.
Edit: I mean I was always told to suck it up and get thicker skin. Guess it comes down to raising.

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Didn't want to spoil it, so my response is below.

If you remember that quest, you were able to witness the actual event while in one of your hypnotic episodes. By doing this, it proves that you have a sort of second sight.
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#14 Aug 22 2013 at 3:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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I remember that quest as well. Sad really cause I liked it and I also liked the fact that Ul'dah was such a "dark" place.

What I also remember is a woman in the beta forums making a thread saying that she loves the game but because she wants her child to play with her she wanted a bit more censorship and she also mentioned that conversation as well. It ****** me off then and even more now since it seems SE considered it. I mean come on.

Kids watch television and I am not talking about the news go watch a 50 cent music video clip and that kid will know everything there is to know for the...erm...the woman body.

So when a game like this is rated T for teen (although I do not always agree with the ratings) it means it has stuff that your kid should not see. So you don't go ahead and change the game you just stop your kid from playing. **** it's not like a TV program that you can't control, the game costs money each month money your "kid" can not get without you finding you.

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DragonBourne wrote:
I'm not sure what to think of this. I remember seeing a post on the Beta forums where people were complaining the game wasn't toddler-friendly, due to certain references. Looks like SE listened.

It's PEGI 16, ESRB T for Teen, who were these people complaining?
The ESRB rating even includes more descriptive stuff on what the rating was based

Language
Mild Blood
Sexual Themes
Use of Alcohol
Violence

The information is there for parents to make decisions, no one should be complaining about the odd *****.
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The blacksmith guildmaster says ***************

The dialogue styling seems very varied, it's ...interesting. xD

As has been pointed out it was probably just a misogyny change. I'm ok with it, but that was the fight that I was getting 90000'd on and am still salty about it. :D
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They removed the mithra "dancers" on the stage in the mining guild too. The ones that were pretty much mentioning that they would meet you out back. And another even more interesting dialogue if you spoke to them as a female character. Replaced them with boxes for crying out loud. The entire mining guild is back to being a complete sausage fest. I actually liked the place before.

There is some heavy sensoring in some parts, but at the same time, there's two women in an alley in Limsa "flirting" heavily with two sailors. So i really dont get it.

If they wanted to soften things up, they should have done so everywhere. And if they wanted to keep this civilized but a bit more mature, then they should have kept most of these things in. They dont actually do anything, it's just the suggestion of it. Perhaps it's because i'm from one of the least prudish countries out there, but i actually liked the whole more mature aspect of this game. It wasnt really hurting anyone that wasnt allowed to play this in the first place.
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I can't believe they changed it ( started as THM in P3). The game is T for teen so there isnt a real reason for the censorship. I am more surprised that parents would want little children to play this game because online interactions are worse than anything they could even imagine.
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maybe it's just red tape and legal bs to get the game suitable for launch?
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I just don't think using ***** as an insult fits the setting too well. I dunno. I know the scene you're talking about.
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Xoie wrote:
DragonBourne wrote:
I noticed something playing this last beta. On the main story quest in Ul'dah, you eventually run into a merchant accusing a woman of stealing from him.

I'll post the description in a spoiler tag, in order to filter it out for those easily offended. If you are one of those people, don't peek, then get mad after the fact:

Originally, in Phase 3, the merchant calls her a thieving *****, but during Phase 4, it got changed to thieving mongrel or scoundrel, something similar, yet a whole lot 'tamer'

I'm not sure what to think of this. I remember seeing a post on the Beta forums where people were complaining the game wasn't toddler-friendly, due to certain references. Looks like SE listened.


Some would consider it misogyny,

Given the fact that the merchant is blatantly xenophobic and implies that he's going to use force or report her to the guards if she doesnt provide him sexual favors, I'm not sure that possibly being misogynistic is the reason that word was disincluded.

I must say, I enjoyed the salty language of P3 dialog a lot more than the P4 dialog. I dont feel like language was used for shock value, strictly for characterization.
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I just don't think using ***** as an insult fits the setting too well. I dunno. I know the scene you're talking about.



Do tell me, if you where in that situation what word would you use?

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 5:51pm by Teravibe
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maybe it's just red tape and legal bs to get the game suitable for launch?
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maybe it's just red tape and legal bs to get the game suitable for launch?

Definitely possible, but somehow, I doubt it. I'm thinking its more of a way to eliminate even the remotest possibility of bad press. I keep thinking of the dismal failure that was 1.0's launch, and how SE seem to be doing everything possible to ensure that doesn't happen again.

Some things like 3102 and 90k are a bit more difficult to plan for, but notice how SE is trying to soothe peoples fears/worries with different things. I hope they continue working to make this launch as painless as possible, but this type of politial correctness in a game where I slay literally millions of animals and people is a bit alarming. The game is T for Teen, and specifically states that Online Interatsions not rated by ESRB. I just don't get what people are expecting here.
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They removed the mithra "dancers" on the stage in the mining guild too. The ones that were pretty much mentioning that they would meet you out back. And another even more interesting dialogue if you spoke to them as a female character. Replaced them with boxes for crying out loud. The entire mining guild is back to being a complete sausage fest. I actually liked the place before.

There is some heavy sensoring in some parts, but at the same time, there's two women in an alley in Limsa "flirting" heavily with two sailors. So i really dont get it.

If they wanted to soften things up, they should have done so everywhere. And if they wanted to keep this civilized but a bit more mature, then they should have kept most of these things in. They dont actually do anything, it's just the suggestion of it. Perhaps it's because i'm from one of the least prudish countries out there, but i actually liked the whole more mature aspect of this game. It wasnt really hurting anyone that wasnt allowed to play this in the first place.


Mithra Dancers are alive and well in front of some steps in Ulduh. I don't know if they talk but they do look like their knees get sore at night.
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I just don't think using ***** as an insult fits the setting too well. I dunno. I know the scene you're talking about.


Its an insult. An Ad hominem. It literally could be anything. It happened to be *****, which is as valid as anything else. So even bother changing it?
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I don't know, I've seen a fair bit of colorful dialog still in the game, even during open beta. Unless its somehow been changed, the quest "Nailing It" (or nailed it? I don't remember the exact name) in La Noscea somewhere (the place with the ship being built, I don't remember the name of the place either) contains dialog that mentions a cold *****'s crotch. I thought the dialog fitting and funny, considering the character of the NPC involved and the setting.
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Look up the 1.0 Levequest pleasure and pain.
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if it pleases people morodi still says "the musings of wemon and the aquitence (sp) of the many manhoods) -too sleepy to pull the full line-
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Teravibe wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
I just don't think using ***** as an insult fits the setting too well. I dunno. I know the scene you're talking about.



Do tell me, if you where in that situation what word would you use?

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Teravibe wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
I just don't think using ***** as an insult fits the setting too well. I dunno. I know the scene you're talking about.



Do tell me, if you where in that situation what word would you use?

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 5:51pm by Teravibe


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The official synopsis of the game from ERSB

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This is a massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) in which players navigate a large cast of characters that engage in missions and fight the forces of evil. Players explore environments (e.g., cities, plains, caves) and battle human and fantasy creatures. Players use swords, spears, axes, firearms, and magic spells (e.g., fire balls, energy beams) to defeat enemies in real-time combat. Cutscenes depict a man being stabbed from behind, and creatures emitting splashes of purple or yellow blood when struck. Some female characters are depicted from low camera angles, with lingering camera views of their buttocks (i.e., up-skirt shots). Dialogue contains suggestive references; for example, 'The netmaster's probably up in his office polishing the mast just thinking about her,' 'stick yer manhood in the forge,' and 'You cheating little *****!' Several characters are referred to as drunk or drunken, while others sometimes talk about wine, rum, and grog. The word 'sh*t' can be heard in the dialogue.


http://www.esrb.org/ratings/synopsis.jsp?Certificate=29479&Title=FINAL%20FANTASY%20XIV

So to them the phrase the OP mentions is more a suggestive theme than strong language, however I would imagine it would be borderline, so SE decided to change it.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 8:50am by scrish
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#32 Aug 28 2013 at 1:45 AM Rating: Good
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I just noticed something else. In Ul'Dah story quest, after dressing up as a peasant with Thancred, the two 'judges' (can't remember their names, one is a woman, the other a sitting male) watching from up on the hill have a conversation. The female, in Phase 3, told the male that 'if he failed, she would kill him herself'. Now, it goes 'if he fails, she will inflict his punishment herself', or something of the sort. Definitely a tone down, just not sure it was necessary. Anyone too young to not understand that in the way it was intended shouldn't have been playing in the first place, IMO.
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