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#1 Aug 25 2013 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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I realize that many people will just argue "these are normal bumps,"
but it seems a bit more like SE doesn't have the server capacity or technology to handle things yet.
3+ maintenance periods and nothing fixed generally suggests either a serious issue or incompetence in running the servers

I doubt it would actually happen (would be a marketing disaster)
But how would you feel if they wrote this off as beta 5, and released the game a few weeks from now when they got things in order?

In other words, would you rather a launch you can play -sometimes-
Or would you rather not play for 2 or 3 weeks but get a launch that works well?

#2 Aug 25 2013 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
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They have fixed the duty finder which was the goal of the other maintenance .

In the process this current downtime could be an adverse side effect of something they put in place so people could use the DFS.
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#3 Aug 25 2013 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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Idk, I wouldn't mind. What's another couple weeks? I don't think they will push the game back this close to release though, I feel like that would be foolish. The game does have it's problems as of now though.

Just think a year from now, we could all be looking back at this time frame and laugh about how crazy the launch to this game was. ...Or the game will have died by then, who knows? /shrug
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There is a 0% chance of that happening. They would release with issues before they delayed.
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An interesting question. On one hand, I feel that I'd rather have some playtime rather than none during this period. But on the other hand, as it is right now I'm just continuously trying to log in when I could be doing other stuff instead. Servers being officially offline would force me to be productive.

Ahh, who am I kidding. ***** being productive. I want more playtime!
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#6 Aug 25 2013 at 8:53 AM Rating: Excellent
Most launches have problems. Delaying launch by two weeks would have probably delayed solutions by two weeks, as well.
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Issues happen. My question is, is this happening on the JP servers too. It seems to only be a NA/EU issue.
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#8 Aug 25 2013 at 9:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Darsond wrote:
There is a 0% chance of that happening. They would release with issues before they delayed.



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SE has done a FINE job proving theyll release with issues before theyd delay.. I mean just look at Early Access... I see more threads and ppl complaining about the errors, severs locked and how things arent working than I see of topics talking about how wonderful the game is or how much fun theyre having
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BluntmanII wrote:
Issues happen. My question is, is this happening on the JP servers too. It seems to only be a NA/EU issue.


Unless I am looking at things wrong. They (Japanese) have less servers and less players currently playing the game. Didn't Yoshi say servers are nearing capacity on the US/EU side?
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#10 Aug 25 2013 at 9:36 AM Rating: Default
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This game is simply not ready for release. SE should reevaluate the current infrastructure to see if they can handle the volume.
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This game HAS to start off well, or it will fail. I hope more than anything this is the worst of it.
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#12 Aug 25 2013 at 10:01 AM Rating: Default
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that would be the last nail in the coffin, SE screwed up real bad again. If they had any hope to get back the people that shunned away form the disaster the first release in 2010, they would have to make sure this release was flawless to make emends and give confidence to the potential costumer, till now FF14 was that game that was so bad the company come forth to apologize to the costumers, lets see what are the tags it will have after this second release, imo i kinda feel bad for SqE they deserved better luck as a company that made classics like Final fantasy 7-8-9 and 11
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Bludot wrote:
They have fixed the duty finder which was the goal of the other maintenance .

In the process this current downtime could be an adverse side effect of something they put in place so people could use the DFS.


No, they didn't. They said they did, but people were still having issues. There were no 3102 or 90k errors until just recently, but there were many people still unable to progress their class quests because duties were not functioning properly.

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There is a 0% chance of that happening. They would release with issues before they delayed.

They shot themselves in the foot the first time out. They'd do it again? I wouldn't put it past them at this point, but at what cost ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

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Most launches have problems. Delaying launch by two weeks would have probably delayed solutions by two weeks, as well.

Yes, but very few have problems this severe. I agree that delaying launch would delay solutions, but only at this point and only because in order to come up with the solutions they need to find all of the problems. Really needed a longer testing phase.
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#15 Aug 25 2013 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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I think it's time for drastical measures. Just pull the plug. Do it. Because, like, life is so unbalanced anyway. No need to go on.
Just cry a river and drown yourself.
Anyone with half a brain knows that you can't simply stop the marketing train after its departure.


Yes...
Perhaps that's why I stated in one of the 7 lines used
"I doubt it would actually happen (would be a marketing disaster) "

However, I will ensure in the future when stating simple information, i bold every sentence, increase the size, and underline things
As it seems you are incapable of reading normal text....
#16 Aug 25 2013 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
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Didn't Yoshi say servers are nearing capacity on the US/EU side?


This is kind of interesting. There are enough members to push it to capacity...before its release date? How is that going to work? They are going to get hammered on the 27th.
#17 Aug 25 2013 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, but very few have problems this severe. I agree that delaying launch would delay solutions, but only at this point and only because in order to come up with the solutions they need to find all of the problems. Really needed a longer testing phase.


Yes SE needed a longer Beta phase 4, but testing by itself won't fix these exclusive networking problems. You should be more precise otherwise you'll confuse people. No matter how long SE tests these server fixes though maintenance, they won't know it worked until they have enough of a load to test it. So a delay would hinder progress as Thayos pointed out.
#18 Aug 25 2013 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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i have always been a fanboy of SE and have always defended their games but i agree this is becoming ridiculous .. if they delay launch (after what happened with V 1) it will create a PR crisis and will discredit their brand and they might as well quit the MMORPG business for good (or rebrand their whole company and try a come back a year later or so).

i think they should bite the bullet and put some serious investments into fixing their IT issues and try to power through official launch with as less issues as possible .. there will always be issues and there will always be maintenance / upgrades / updates .. but these server crashes are just too much .. what ?? they couldnt forecast the number of players and the load on the servers ???
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Yes, but very few have problems this severe. I agree that delaying launch would delay solutions, but only at this point and only because in order to come up with the solutions they need to find all of the problems. Really needed a longer testing phase.


Yes SE needed a longer Beta phase 4, but testing by itself won't fix these exclusive networking problems. You should be more precise otherwise you'll confuse people. No matter how long SE tests these server fixes though maintenance, they won't know it worked until they have enough of a load to test it. So a delay would hinder progress as Thayos pointed out.


I agreed with Thayos. My point was that it's going the way it is because they weren't prepared. Early access is basically the open beta with the level cap removed. Nothing else changed. The longer they tested open beta(may as well call it soft-launch because that's what it is), the more issues they'd have identified and been able to work toward fixing in whatever time period they could and should have given themselves.




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SE cannot expect their paid customers to be their beta testers. All these issues should have been identified and resolved in beta testing. I will not signup until the game is stable.
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Delaying release would still result in me not being able to play. I honestly don't see the point in delaying it. I'd obviously prefer a game that works, but if the alternative is not being able to play at all I'll snatch what I can while I still have my summer break to enjoy it.
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SE cannot expect their paid customers to be their beta testers. All these issues should have been identified and resolved in beta testing. I will not signup until the game is stable.


Okay. Then don't.
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#23 Aug 25 2013 at 12:14 PM Rating: Default
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Can't play either way. They might as well delay the game and buy a few more servers in the process.
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Problem is -- it is ruining the franchise. Who wants to play a broken game? Who wants to buy a game people KNOW isn't going to work when they install it? Look at what happened to the new SimCity release. That game is a disaster. Now all this even after 1.0? They are ruining the FF name.
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pc69 wrote:
SE cannot expect their paid customers to be their beta testers. All these issues should have been identified and resolved in beta testing. I will not signup until the game is stable.


Okay. Then don't.


Tell that to all the frustrated customers and this game will be DOA.
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To OP:

I personally think a release delay wouldn't be such a bad idea. It actually feels like this release was rushed to begin with... Just let SE take a deep breath so to speak. As was mentioned before, they need to do their best to get this launch right. :)

Edited, Aug 25th 2013 2:37pm by Swiftskye
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#27 Aug 25 2013 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Azurymber wrote:
I realize that many people will just argue "these are normal bumps,"
but it seems a bit more like SE doesn't have the server capacity or technology to handle things yet.
3+ maintenance periods and nothing fixed generally suggests either a serious issue or incompetence in running the servers

I doubt it would actually happen (would be a marketing disaster)
But how would you feel if they wrote this off as beta 5, and released the game a few weeks from now when they got things in order?

In other words, would you rather a launch you can play -sometimes-
Or would you rather not play for 2 or 3 weeks but get a launch that works well?



I would be fine with that and calling it BETA 5.... as long as there was a complete character wipe at the end of it.

Maybe another 2 or 3 weeks of BETA ending with a complete character wipe, followed by a weekend of open BETA leading to a 3 day early access period.

Otherwise all you are asking for is an additional 3 week head start that is cost free.
You would be creating such a huge gap that you may as well let the Legacy players join if that is to be the case.

May be a popular idea among people already in game but
I'm sure the people that are waiting for access on Tuesday would much rather be able to login and "play sometimes" than sit waiting, unable to login, while others are creating a 4 week lead.

Edited, Aug 25th 2013 5:19pm by Darksea
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pc69 wrote:
SE cannot expect their paid customers to be their beta testers. All these issues should have been identified and resolved in beta testing. I will not signup until the game is stable.


Okay. Then don't.

I often feel like a beta tester with any new product these days. That seems to be the standard with their initial release. Some smoother than others, of course. You're always taking that chance when you decide to be one of the 1st people getting it though. You're also gonna pay more than people who wait. So you can have the privilege of being one of the guinea pigs who gets it first.
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pc69 wrote:
SE cannot expect their paid customers to be their beta testers. All these issues should have been identified and resolved in beta testing. I will not signup until the game is stable.


Okay. Then don't.

I often feel like a beta tester with any new product these days. That seems to be the standard with their initial release. Some smoother than others, of course. You're always taking that chance when you decide to be one of the 1st people getting it though. You're also gonna pay more than people who wait. So you can have the privilege of being one of the guinea pigs who gets it first.


It's called the early adopter tax. Smiley: nod
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#30 Aug 25 2013 at 4:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Bludot wrote:
They have fixed the duty finder which was the goal of the other maintenance .

In the process this current downtime could be an adverse side effect of something they put in place so people could use the DFS.


From what's in the technical forums on Lodestone, the duty finder apparently still isn't 100%, so add that back onto their plate of problems.
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