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#52Ivart, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 11:10 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes it's a game. A game I CONTRACTED and paid for to play starting August 23. SE has not delivered. A class action lawsuit would compensate everyone who PAID specifically for EA (like me) at the very least. You file in federal court, get the class certified and off ya go. Chances are SE will settle out of court by offering a few free months. I'm completely serious.
#53 Aug 25 2013 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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How can SE compensate?


Buy some big trucks?
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#54 Aug 25 2013 at 11:12 AM Rating: Excellent
Ivart wrote:
Yes it's a game. A game I CONTRACTED and paid for to play starting August 23. SE has not delivered. A class action lawsuit would compensate everyone who PAID specifically for EA (like me) at the very least. You file in federal court, get the class certified and off ya go. Chances are SE will settle out of court by offering a few free months. I'm completely serious.


We're half-way into day 2 and we've already escalated to class-action lawsuits? I know we have a LOT of unemployed lawyers here in 'Murica, but wow.

Wow.
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#55Ehllfire, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 11:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Whats the f'ing point of early access when no one gets to play? This is the WORST Early access Ive ever seen.
#56 Aug 25 2013 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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I personally am not demanding compensating; but, I expect SE to do something to address the dissatisfaction that's spreading like a staff infection amongst it's player base. It's what a proper manager/owner should do in times like this. Proper gameplay and server functionality are to be expected, and not a 'compensation' for something you already and will continue to pay for.

So, what, pray tell, are you asking for? @#%^ing magic? Writing code takes time. Testing takes time. Rigging up servers, installing programs, routing... all take time. You obviously have no ******* clue how the magic box you sit at works, but there are not fanciful little leprechauns running about, passing your "bits" and "bytes" around, and painting the pretty pictures that make you able to see these words on your screen.

sh*t happened. Stuff broke. Reality exceeded prediction. This is normal, and when it's done, no one will give two @#%^s. Losing your tiny little mind will change absolutely none of this, and just makes you look spastic and retarded. So, do yourself a favour: Shut down your PC, turn off your console, and exit your home. It's likely a lovely day outside, and the fresh air and perspective will do you good.

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Ivart wrote:
Yes it's a game. A game I CONTRACTED and paid for to play starting August 23. SE has not delivered. A class action lawsuit would compensate everyone who PAID specifically for EA (like me) at the very least. You file in federal court, get the class certified and off ya go. Chances are SE will settle out of court by offering a few free months. I'm completely serious.

Are...

Really?

Are you that ******* utterly retarded? You realize that you did not contract **** you ******* moron. Every single ************* online game has a nice, LARGE clause. Here is FFXIV's.

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5. INTERRUPTION TO THE SERVICE

From time to time, in order to provide our customers with the optimal gaming experience, it is necessary for SQUARE ENIX to conduct routine maintenance on the computers and/or servers that support the Game. During these times, access to the Game or support services may be interrupted. Access may also be temporarily suspended in whole or in part, without notice, due to emergency repairs, fire, flood, explosion, war, strike, embargo, governmental action or failure to act, the act of any civil or military authority, act of God, or by any other causes beyond SQUARE ENIX’s control, or any other reasons for which SQUARE ENIX, in its sole discretion, deems that temporary suspension is necessary. You acknowledge that disruptions of service may occur and waive any causes of action against SQUARE ENIX in any way arising from or related to any such disruptions of service.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=902&la=1&tag=useragreement_e

So, you don't have ******* grounds to sue you tool.

Edited, Aug 25th 2013 1:19pm by Pawkeshup
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#57Ivart, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 11:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If there are even 1,000 1.0 people who paid the $30 for EA that's $30,000 in damages - if they had 150,000 on the last Beta and have sold 700,000 games, it doesn't seem unreasonable to think there might be tens of thousands of 1.0 players who paid the 30 - if there are 10,000, the claim is $300,000
#58 Aug 25 2013 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
Ivart wrote:
If there are even 1,000 1.0 people who paid the $30 for EA that's $30,000 in damages - if they had 150,000 on the last Beta and have sold 700,000 games, it doesn't seem unreasonable to think there might be tens of thousands of 1.0 players who paid the 30 - if there are 10,000, the claim is $300,000


You can do math. Congratulations. Doesn't make the idea of a class-action lawsuit any less ridiculous.
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#59 Aug 25 2013 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ivart wrote:
If there are even 1,000 1.0 people who paid the $30 for EA that's $30,000 in damages - if they had 150,000 on the last Beta and have sold 700,000 games, it doesn't seem unreasonable to think there might be tens of thousands of 1.0 players who paid the 30 - if there are 10,000, the claim is $300,000


You can do math. Congratulations. Doesn't make the idea of a class-action lawsuit any less ridiculous.

Or even legally possible.
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
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#60 Aug 25 2013 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Lawsuits won't work, and the threat of them has less effect than an FF fanboy wearing high heels while strutting a Rat Tail (and a **** red-headed one at that).
#61 Aug 25 2013 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
Yeah, so...

Some people really need to chill out!

Look, I pretty much planned on doing nothing this weekend except playing FFXIV... just like all y'all. Unfortunately, though, a newly launching MMO had problems (GASP!). So, I couldn't just sit in one place and punch buttons all weekend.

You know what I did instead?

I barbecued... I watched a movie with my wife... we made a rare DQ run and got blizzards... I did a little extra work... did some laundry... played with the cats... talked to some family... shot the breeze with my neighbor... and, amid all of that, still spent plenty of time in FFXIV.

This morning, I saw there was more maintenance coming, so I didn't even try to log in. Instead, I went to the gym, swam for 35 minutes, got a nice cup of coffee and took my time driving back home.

Here's what I didn't do:

I didn't get mad or angry. I didn't pound my keyboard. I didn't write up imaginary class-action lawsuits. I didn't spew ignorant, condescending remarks toward a development team (and company) that dove into red ink just to please us.

It's OK to be bummed about this, but anyone who is seriously angry about this needs to step back. There's no good reason to have so much negative energy over incredibly short-term MMO server outages. Seriously... take a breather. Most of us (I think) are adults, and we're immersed each day in real problems with real consequences. Don't let something that's ultimately fun and meaningless become so serious that it makes you anxious or stressed out.

Just... relax.

Edited, Aug 25th 2013 10:26am by Thayos
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#62Ivart, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 11:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, actually the covenant not to sue can be avoided. :) It's like the waiver you sign when you go skiing - it says you will hold them harmless but you cannot waive your common law rights in a contract and ski areas are frequently sued for personal injuries. Also the cost of litigation encourages settlement. It's a colorable argument that will survive a motion to dismiss and the damages range makes it doable.
#63 Aug 25 2013 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I would've spent the downtime having coital relations with my girlfriend, but she's out of town this weekend... which was supposed to be a good thing so that I could focus on playing! Life... such a cruel thing it is.
#64 Aug 25 2013 at 11:28 AM Rating: Default
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Ivart wrote:
Well, actually the covenant not to sue can be avoided. :) It's like the waiver you sign when you go skiing - it says you will hold them harmless but you cannot waive your common law rights in a contract and ski areas are frequently sued for personal injuries. Also the cost of litigation encourages settlement. It's a colorable argument that will survive a motion to dismiss and the damages range makes it doable.


Very true; good point. Any place can give you a waiver to release them from responsibility in case of harm or theft, but all you have to do is prove negligence resulted in that damage occurring, and you're golden. Law is a tricky thing and full of loop-holes. Good thing we have plenty of unemployed lawyers who thought getting a law degree instead of a technical degree was a smart choice... Bwuhahaha.
#65 Aug 25 2013 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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No doubt - I respect all of your opinions. I wasn't trying to say that's life is more important than anyone else's.

I'm reserving judgement and will continue to play; however, expressing concern and having positive expectations for something you pay for shouldn't be considered crying. I hope this game delivers as advertised.

It's all good though. Enjoy the game!
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#66 Aug 25 2013 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
Ivart wrote:
Well, actually the covenant not to sue can be avoided. :) It's like the waiver you sign when you go skiing - it says you will hold them harmless but you cannot waive your common law rights in a contract and ski areas are frequently sued for personal injuries. Also the cost of litigation encourages settlement. It's a colorable argument that will survive a motion to dismiss and the damages range makes it doable.

Personal injury law =/= suing for items outside of basic need.

So here's a thought, obviously you either are a personal injury lawyer, or know a few (or have google skills). Try finding a precedent for this case. Go for it. Just try. No lawyer would waste their time, but if you are one and want to, go ahead and spend hundreds of dollars you won't get back filing paperwork that SE will laugh at and toss back in your face.
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
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#67TheOneFin, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 11:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pawkeshup you loser. You rated down my post to be a j/o.
#68 Aug 25 2013 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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#69 Aug 25 2013 at 11:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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expressing concern and having positive expectations for something you pay for shouldn't be considered crying.


For sure! It's OK to voice concern. There's a line though between voicing concern and being unnecessarily angry, and there's absolutely no rational reason to cross that line over video game server problems.
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#70 Aug 25 2013 at 11:34 AM Rating: Default
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DuskCactuar wrote:
Any time anyone without a law degree mentions lawsuits, God laughs until he starts coughing.


Are we talking about a good law degree, a law degree-holder with actual experience, an ambulance-chaser, etc... The world needs to know!

Edited, Aug 25th 2013 1:34pm by Turgis
#71 Aug 25 2013 at 11:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pawkeshup you loser. You rated down my post to be a j/o.


D'awwww did that lil red arrow hurt your wittle feelings? Do you need a hug, buddy?

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You realize Karma is meaningless, and even if you red-arrow me back, I don't really give a ****. I do it to support or negatively impact posts I may or may not reply to. I didn't think yours needed a reply, but that I still didn't like it's tone.

Edited, Aug 25th 2013 1:36pm by Pawkeshup
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
The idea of old school is way more interesting than the reality
#72Ivart, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 11:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's question of good legal writing, not necessarily having a supporting case right on point. In defending SE's certain motion to dismiss on waiver, you win the judge's sympathy by arguing that this very large class of nice, innocent and helpless customers had a modest and quite reasonable expectation, for the limited period of the EA, that SE would deliver $30 worth of goods. Buddy, I'd love that challenge, I know I could get close enough for SE to decide it was better PR and to save legal fees to compensate for the lost EA
#73 Aug 25 2013 at 11:38 AM Rating: Excellent
Ivart wrote:
It's question of good legal writing, not necessarily having a supporting case right on point. In defending SE's certain motion to dismiss on waiver, you win the judge's sympathy by arguing that this very large class of nice, innocent and helpless customers had a modest and quite reasonable expectation, for the limited period of the EA, that SE would deliver $30 worth of goods. Buddy, I'd love that challenge, I know I could get close enough for SE to decide it was better PR and to save legal fees to compensate for the lost EA


Or SE states "Your honour, after a day and a half, these bozos filed a lawsuit for a bonus feature", judge laughs, dismisses the case and you pay for SE's lawyers, and the entire Internet laughs at your attempt.

It'd likely be that one.
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
The idea of old school is way more interesting than the reality
#74TheOneFin, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 11:39 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No - but I envy your cyber-prowess. Have you ever touched a woman? Of age? I know your type. Lifelong griefer compensating for your real-life failures. Go ahead, flex your toughness behind the keyboard.
#75 Aug 25 2013 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
Magilicotti wrote:
Good. Bad. Buggy. Laggy. Hard. Easy. Up. Down. Left. Right. B. A. Start.

I don't care. I'll be here, cause the game is fun to me. Not bothered by the errors and maintenance's what so ever.


I couldn't have agree more with you :D

#76 Aug 25 2013 at 11:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Turgis wrote:
DuskCactuar wrote:
Any time anyone without a law degree mentions lawsuits, God laughs until he starts coughing.


Are we talking about a good law degree, a law degree-holder with actual experience, an ambulance-chaser, etc... The world needs to know!

Edited, Aug 25th 2013 1:34pm by Turgis


Any accredited law program will require you to at least stop being an idiot for a while and work pretty hard, at least as far as I know. When I was in school I had a bunch of friends in law school (at a large state university, so not harvard or anything but not podunk community college either). It was pretty rigorous, demanding course work. By the time you're done, you should at least have a basic understanding of how tort and liability work. Heck, I do, and I only took a few undergrad legal studies classes to help bone up on my copyright/information security law stuff since that was what all the cool geek kids were doing.
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