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#1 Aug 25 2013 at 11:34 AM Rating: Sub-Default
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Final Fantasy games have been a staple in my life since I was a teenager. Great Stories, sound and characters. I played FF14 from launch and gave up do to it's "work in progress" status for over a year. Sadly as excited as I was to drop my $50 for ARR nothing has changed. Most FTP MMOS have launch issues, however they can at least reward you by being . . .FTP.. Not being a griever. Still love FF and hope to get in some time this week when bugs are fixed. My characters ported too from old game which is cool. . .if I can log in :)
#2 Aug 25 2013 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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ok so it should be free because the game is having launch issues (likeALL mmos) right now? Well youre in luck then cause the first month IS free and im sure within 4 week everything major should be sorted out.. if not theyll continue to let it be free.. i mean just look how long 1.0 was FTP right?
#3 Aug 25 2013 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you think the launch problems are horrible from people who either bought the game before or pre-ordered the game with the expectation that they'd be paying a subscription, just imagine the world exploding server meltdown a F2P version would have.

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#4 Aug 25 2013 at 11:38 AM Rating: Default
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I'd set the over-under for FFXIV going F2P at 18 months - it's actually a lucrative model when done correctly. (See: LOTRO) FFMMO precedence says it probably won't happen, but given the shift in the gaming landscape it may eventually.

Edited, Aug 25th 2013 1:39pm by Thodne
#5Rmali1, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 11:39 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm glad that our $ went to making a "pretty" game rather than a playable one. again I'm not grieving its day 1 lol. But its day 1 for their second chance at the same game.
#6Rmali1, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 11:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Def :)
#7 Aug 25 2013 at 11:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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#8Rmali1, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 11:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) How's Balmung Server? Im on the same with my Legacy Characters. got on for two secs. Beta ran pretty smooth though
#9 Aug 25 2013 at 11:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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I hate F2P games, it's like someone took the GameFAQs forums and old school Yahoo! chat rooms and turned it into a virtual world.
#10 Aug 25 2013 at 11:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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i don't know why people even like a FTP model it just doesn't make sense to me. The customer service is usually much worse, a lot of games are pay to win and if you do the math, costs much more than a subscriptionn fee. The ones that aren't pay to win usually (not many of these) have huge time sinks to keep you playing, and the vanity items are expensive to make up for not being pay to win.

with a subscription i get everything the game has to offer without ever having to spend an extra penny. The customer service is usually better (i have heard horror stories from the ff11 days, and even experienced something myself but this time around is much better and easier), and downtime is very far between. The FTP games usually have weekly maintenance whereas in FF11 was usually only during updates to the game barring a system crash (i was lucky and played on a server that never seemed to go down).

In all the FTP games i've tried, they just don't compare to a subscription game. And yes, i do recognize there are certain exceptions such as is the case with TERA (having a nice FTP model, however i am uncertain how successful they have been), and DDO, among others.

Maybe theres someting i'm not seeing, but this is my take on it. Of course one majore difference i should add is that you can play many FTP games, but subscribing to multiple games is probably unrealistic.
#11 Aug 25 2013 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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my main concern with pay to win is there is nothing to stop them upping the ante and values of pay to win gear, you are entirely at their mercy and there is no guarantee anything you buy would retain game value anyway ;p
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#12 Aug 25 2013 at 12:01 PM Rating: Excellent
Thodne wrote:
I'd set the over-under for FFXIV going F2P at 18 months - it's actually a lucrative model when done correctly. (See: LOTRO) FFMMO precedence says it probably won't happen, but given the shift in the gaming landscape it may eventually.

Edited, Aug 25th 2013 1:39pm by Thodne


I don't want a F2P model because it means pay to win model which I hate with a passion. One reason I quit Guild Wars 2 was due to having to buy armor packs in the store to make your character look the way you want and various other items they offered. I'd rather pay $20 a month than a pay to win model. Even cosmetic only items are a terrible idea, because then EVERYTHING that looks remotely cool will be for sale and you will get nothing from actually playing the game.
#13Rmali1, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 12:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm not saying an FTP model is the way to go, or make a great game. I just expect more from the FF legacy. Especially second time around. I agree FTP is a pay to play deal with items, weapons, crafting, but as a company they're paying the bills more make a product we can enjoy that actually works. I'll still pay now and years from now for FF stories and Characters any day :)
#14 Aug 25 2013 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Do you honestly want f2p.... ugh... the ilk the freemium crowd is just terribad always demanding free ****, wanting things to be easier then complaining that its too easy, and having sales every other day for some game breaking **** 75% healing potions and enchanted gear and god knows what else... no they can keep that crap the **** away from this game.
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#15Rmali1, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 12:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The opening movie runs like a rock star though.
#16 Aug 25 2013 at 12:11 PM Rating: Default
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Name me a great game that hasn't gone to a FTP model. (MMO) ?? I'm a huge star wars fan and as great as the writing is that story it had to adapt. Some stuff is cheesy but guess what . . . I can log in a still play today or tomm.
#17 Aug 25 2013 at 12:12 PM Rating: Default
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Neverwinter etc
#18 Aug 25 2013 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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i don't know why people even like a FTP model it just doesn't make sense to me.


The issue here boils down to the monkey-see, monkey-do mentality gamers and often developers have. If one game does it, then immediately everyone says all the games should do it. Now FTP can be a really awesome model. Just look at League of Legends. It is an awesome use of it. It offers a rotating line up of champions, and you can either buy a character with real money or points earned by playing. No one champ totally rips apart everyone else, all have foils and downsides.

Now I recently played Spartacus Legends for XBox, and LOL what a pay to win. You can buy new weapons earlier, stronger gladiators, and even spots for more gladiators, for real money. Sure, you can earn the currently, but it's very limited and painfully slow. That game is how you do not make a FTP. Same for Happy Wars. I once saw someone using a ton of the bought items and he was slaughtering everyone with little issue. It took two-three of us freebie players with some nicely upgraded weapons to even take him down.

People need to realize that one size does not fit all. For LOTR:O, a FTP model is fine. The game doesn't have a massive player-base like WoW, and has a highly devoted, highly motivated fanbase who don't mind dropping money on the game to help support it. Any game seeking to get a large playerbase (read: FFXIV and TES:O) needs to have a budget for equipment and future content.
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#19 Aug 25 2013 at 12:14 PM Rating: Default
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Im sure this game will be great. just feel like a it was a bad break up from the first 14, and its happening again.
#20 Aug 25 2013 at 12:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rmali1 wrote:
Name me a great game that hasn't gone to a FTP model. (MMO) ?? I'm a huge star wars fan and as great as the writing is that story it had to adapt. Some stuff is cheesy but guess what . . . I can log in a still play today or tomm.


FFXI still charges the same price it did 11 years ago.
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#21 Aug 25 2013 at 12:14 PM Rating: Default
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LOL is PvP based and FTP
#22 Aug 25 2013 at 12:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rmali1 wrote:
LOL is PvP based and FTP


Ahem. "Free."
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#23 Aug 25 2013 at 12:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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F2P is an abomination that destroys games, let this thread die. It needs to die.
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#24Rmali1, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 12:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And LoL isn't FF :) also FTP games have options to buy those items as a true FTP. ex. SWTOR trading in credits for items. or Neverwinter trading gold for zen. just takes longer. But game runs smooth.
#25Rmali1, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 12:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) We should all just go back to FF11 then. True MMO
#26 Aug 25 2013 at 12:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Truth be told, if it went f2p, I'd probably stop playing. The influx of children would ruin it entirely.
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#27 Aug 25 2013 at 12:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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DuskCactuar wrote:
Truth be told, if it went f2p, I'd probably stop playing. The influx of children would ruin it entirely.

This is my opinion as well. F2P ruins chat channels, communities, and the general tone of the game. The player base of F2P games has been, in my experience, universally obnoxious.
#28 Aug 25 2013 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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DuskCactuar wrote:
Truth be told, if it went f2p, I'd probably stop playing. The influx of children would ruin it entirely.


I would probably stop, too. F2P just makes me feel like I don't even have the actual game, and that I'm constantly missing out on something and not getting the full experience. I'd much rather skip one night of take out per month and pay a subscription than feel like I'm "sort of" playing a game.
#29 Aug 25 2013 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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Rmali1 wrote:
Name me a great game that hasn't gone to a FTP model. (MMO) ?? I'm a huge star wars fan and as great as the writing is that story it had to adapt. Some stuff is cheesy but guess what . . . I can log in a still play today or tomm.


World of Warcraft. Ten years in, still a subscription model and still has the largest player base. Now, arguing what defines 'great' is subjective. However, in the grand scheme of things WoW is still the granddaddy of them all and isn't free to play.

Furthermore, if you want to play a F2P, there's plenty of options out there you can chose from.
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#30Rmali1, Posted: Aug 25 2013 at 2:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) WoW is a good point. SO why can't SE base they're launch off a tried and true game like that? Why prematurely ejaculate (for lack of a better term) like they did this weekend and in 2010
#31 Aug 25 2013 at 3:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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WoW's launch was no walk in the park. Didn't they have off and on issues for like months afterwards?
#32 Aug 25 2013 at 3:14 PM Rating: Default
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I can play by creating diff characters in diff worlds that are active. Great intro stories too :) Anyone know a way to port them to the same server as me main? (once its working of course ;))
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