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#1 Aug 28 2013 at 12:20 AM Rating: Default
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I spoke to quite a few of my friends, and their friends. But they all seem to come to the same answer. They are downright not happy at all that their servers have seen such a huge increase of foreigners. They know there were ongoing problems, aware of the fact with the NA/EU server issues but they are wondering why the foreigners or aliens who invaded their servers in such large drastic numbers have no patience till the servers on their side of the world gets fixed.
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Last time I checked the servers weren't JP only. /shrug. When people buy a game, they typically want to play it.
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#3 Aug 28 2013 at 12:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I guess for the east it was a matter of patience where they did not see it happening in the west.
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#4 Aug 28 2013 at 12:35 AM Rating: Good
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The JP server haven't experience the same problems so they don't know the frustration. Patience is one thing but SE should have know weeks in advance with beta sign up and preorder numbers that the NA / EU servers are going to be hit with huge traffic.
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NA/EU players chose to go to the JP servers because they couldn't play on their own. It's not their fault that the servers are massively overcrowded. Players in search of a way to play the game by any means, chose to make characters on the JP servers. JP players should point their finger at SE, not NA/EU paying customers. If SE didn't want NA/EU players on the JP servers, they'd region-lock them.

I tried my best to phrase this post without coming off sounding like an agitated, entitled, prick, but honestly I think it was unavoidable. JP players are just going to have to deal with NA/EU "aliens" until our mothership is repaired. If JP players expect NA/EU players to just sit around and wait to play the game, while they get to play the game without even the slightest hiccup, they can kiss my ***. If that's the mentality they roll with, I should make a character on the JP servers and just leave it logged in while I'm unable to log into the NA/EU servers.

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It's a shame that they segregated the servers to begin with. We should all revolt and join JP servers, not because ours are broke but because separating ourselves into JP, NA, and EU really ruins what could be (and was in the past on XI) a great part of the game. Meeting new people from other cultures and parts of the world was a big part of why I loved XI so much and it kind of makes me sad to know that this wont happen again :/
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The JP server haven't experience the same problems so they don't know the frustration. Patience is one thing but SE should have know weeks in advance with beta sign up and preorder numbers that the NA / EU servers are going to be hit with huge traffic.


The JP servers are experiencing similar issues actually, I play mostly in JP evenings (from Australia). I wasn't able to log into Tiamat last night due to a lack of slots, and the majority of JP servers were closed for new character creation. Ended up making a new character on a US server with a known Oceanic population so I could get in and play.
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It's a shame that they segregated the servers to begin with. We should all revolt and join JP servers, not because ours are broke but because separating ourselves into JP, NA, and EU really ruins what could be (and was in the past on XI) a great part of the game. Meeting new people from other cultures and parts of the world was a big part of why I loved XI so much and it kind of makes me sad to know that this wont happen again :/


I made a few JP friends back in XI. Any time I was online when they got on, they'd auto-translate me a group invite, and we'd go EXP for a few hours. I think they more-so saw me as their silent American-buddy that was good at holding aggro on PLD. It still worked out, though. The friendship was mutually beneficial. I didn't bother them with small-talk, and they tore mob camps in half while I just let things beat on my face.
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Elamille wrote:
It's a shame that they segregated the servers to begin with. We should all revolt and join JP servers, not because ours are broke but because separating ourselves into JP, NA, and EU really ruins what could be (and was in the past on XI) a great part of the game. Meeting new people from other cultures and parts of the world was a big part of why I loved XI so much and it kind of makes me sad to know that this wont happen again :/

You have a much more fond memory than I. All I remember is not getting any response to tells and gear swap spam on examination...
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You have a much more fond memory than I. All I remember is not getting any response to tells and gear swap spam on examination...


Thats a shame, I made some really good friends from all over in XI. I live in Texas but my best friend in the game was a guy from New Zealand. I was in a primarily German dynamis shell with a set of twin German brothers, I had a static xp party with a Japanese manthra who tried mostly in vain to teach me Japanese even though his English didn't really allow him to very well. I remember when I quit XI due to rl reasons (I didn't really want to quit but I had to) I actually had a little tear in my eye when I partied with him for the last time because we had become such good friends even with a language barrier between us. Idk I do suppose the experience was different for all of us but I really do wish they didnt split servers up.

P.S. If Kyawind, Skystar, or the Auft brothers are on ZAM by any chance look me up on Ultros! Name is Wonce Agan :D
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I made many great friends in FFXI, just using an auto-translator and they had a dictionary!

Yes gear was important though, they were pushing 10k exp/hour and so to earn respect you had to play seriously, always have food on you and good gear. I rather liked the maturity to the game, something I find lacking on NA servers, so I'm on a JP server by choice. Teenagers screaming in Ul'dah (no thanks).
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P.S. If Kyawind, Skystar, or the Auft brothers are on ZAM by any chance look me up on Ultros! Name is Wonce Agan :D


Kyawind from Gilgamesh/Carbuncle? If so, I'll let him know.
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#13 Aug 28 2013 at 1:15 AM Rating: Good
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I spoke to quite a few of my friends, and their friends. But they all seem to come to the same answer. They are downright not happy at all that their servers have seen such a huge increase of foreigners. They know there were ongoing problems, aware of the fact with the NA/EU server issues but they are wondering why the foreigners or aliens who invaded their servers in such large drastic numbers have no patience till the servers on their side of the world gets fixed.
Well your friends and their friends seems to be a pretty intolerant closed minded people.

I live in Japan and let me share that the complains here have been at minimum, in fact the physical CE (the only one with early access) has been sold since the beginning of August. In fact Japanese people do not dislike foreigners there are other (half-valid) reasons for them to be somewhat xenophobic, but I won't get into that as those discussions usually don't end well.

Perhaps if you wander around 2channel and other dark places house of the angry and the dark-willed you will find a bunch of empty complains but that's unavoidable.
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Uchida wrote:
I spoke to quite a few of my friends, and their friends. But they all seem to come to the same answer. They are downright not happy at all that their servers have seen such a huge increase of foreigners. They know there were ongoing problems, aware of the fact with the NA/EU server issues but they are wondering why the foreigners or aliens who invaded their servers in such large drastic numbers have no patience till the servers on their side of the world gets fixed.


Easy enough to understand both sides. Some of us went out of our way to get B4/EA and were effectively cheated out of it. Now we're into live play and we are still having problems. Now we are putting extra load on JP servers. Se should apologize to the JP players if they haven't already/
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#15vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 28 2013 at 1:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I agree.
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I remember i had a little Japanese tarutaru friend that bore with my horrible Japanese, and inability to use the Japanese alphabet, due to software issues. I miss that little guy or girl. I never found out the ***. However, whenever i logged in within 10 min i would get an auto translated /tell "Hello! Friend. do you need any help?" I'll miss you buddy :( Maybe we will cross paths on ffxiv and not even know we were once friends. However i think our friendship will immediately reignite; even though we now have new aliases. Matta yasumimashiyoukane!

Edited, Aug 28th 2013 3:24am by supernokes

Edited, Aug 28th 2013 3:25am by supernokes
#17 Aug 28 2013 at 1:27 AM Rating: Good
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Also, i don't think its fair to generalize about the jp community. I hope the NA/EU trolls and ragers don't become the face of the NA/EU community.
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Uchida wrote:
I spoke to quite a few of my friends, and their friends. But they all seem to come to the same answer. They are downright not happy at all that their servers have seen such a huge increase of foreigners. They know there were ongoing problems, aware of the fact with the NA/EU server issues but they are wondering why the foreigners or aliens who invaded their servers in such large drastic numbers have no patience till the servers on their side of the world gets fixed.


I thought only white American males disliked foreigners...

That's what the U.S. media and government keeps telling us...
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i cant agree for some reason. I am half Japanese and can speak and understand conversational Japanese, i also understand the culture. However, the written part of it is still a language barrier to me. In FFXI i would use the auto translate and to my best abilities, would accommodate to the way they would act, but even at that point i felt a barrier and a bias against the western part of me. Luckily i was geared and didnt do stupid things? Even so, i would not want to be in a JP dominated server, and likewise i would not want them to be stuck in a NA/EU server just for the purpose of "internationalism"? just my thoughts... any feedback here?
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I don't think it was a big deal in FFXI because events were generally handled in linkshells. Should higher level duty finder content be difficult, it will require some sort of communication(at least one should hope). It's actually kinda detrimental in that sense to pair people up who don't at least have language in common. I really wouldn't mind getting some practice with the kana, but I can imagine it would lead to a lot of frustration through forced grouping.

Edited, Aug 28th 2013 3:38am by FilthMcNasty
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#21 Aug 28 2013 at 1:38 AM Rating: Good
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So, tl;dr version: baka gaijins

This takes me back to XI launch.
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I don't think it was a big deal in FFXI because events were generally handled in linkshells. Should higher level duty finder content be difficult, it will require some sort of communication(at least one should hope). It's actually kinda detrimental in that sense to pair people up who don't at least have language in common. I really wouldn't mind getting some practice with the kana, but I can imagine it would lead to a lot of frustration through forced grouping.

Edited, Aug 28th 2013 3:38am by FilthMcNasty

Nothing is stopping anyone from queing with there LS or FC members. Duty finder is just a little bonus. A cherry on top.
#23 Aug 28 2013 at 1:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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I sincerely doubt the OP has spoken to anyone besides his left hand lately.
Minimum post count, no meaningful contribution except another complaint
in another thread, deliberate use of the term "alien" which, mind you, is just
an awkward English translation for the term 外国人.

As I can not confirm the "great wave of unhappiness" he talks about among
my fellow players, I presume it's just a sock stirring up some intercontinental
hate to calm his own childish frustration; especially since Japanese servers
are experiencing exactly the same problems atm.
#24 Aug 28 2013 at 1:46 AM Rating: Good
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frankly speaking im on a JP server myself. I dont have any issues with playing with my JP counterparts on that server.

When I played FFXI all those years [8 to be exact] I made quite a few JP friends in some of the top JP HNM shells on pandemonium. Fightclub and so forth. I used to exp with them quite a bit as BRD [who in their right mind woudl turn down a BRD? I mean really?] and then again as RDM.

I fail to see where they JP community would react so badly to NA players unless they were making silly, immature and stupid remarks in shouts [Jueno all over again -_-;;;;;].

and before id examine the character i was interestd in looking at id ask [check][ok]? and theyd say hai joto.

never had a problem with the culture either. *shrug* dunno where or even how this post came about really.
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i love NA/EU players who even thinks for a second that the majority of japanese LOVE them. I had a few people claim they do and they believe playing on japanese serve them right in long run..

too bad, they never played a real japanese onry game
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Maybe the JP community started complaining about the influx of NA/EU and that's why SE finally decided to give us more servers?
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Maybe the JP community started complaining about the influx of NA/EU and that's why SE finally decided to give us more servers?
#28 Aug 28 2013 at 3:38 AM Rating: Default
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I sincerely doubt the OP has spoken to anyone besides his left hand lately.
Minimum post count, no meaningful contribution except another complaint
in another thread, deliberate use of the term "alien" which, mind you, is just
an awkward English translation for the term 外国人.

As I can not confirm the "great wave of unhappiness" he talks about among
my fellow players, I presume it's just a sock stirring up some intercontinental
hate to calm his own childish frustration; especially since Japanese servers
are experiencing exactly the same problems atm.


Yea Rinsui, i believe you sit beside me in reality. The way you speak, are you trying to show your full of wisdom or what. Your assumptions are just going to get you into trouble. I know your here seeking drama but there's no place for you on that. Anyway, to cut the chase short, you've been reported.
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I sincerely doubt the OP has spoken to anyone besides his left hand lately.
Minimum post count, no meaningful contribution except another complaint
in another thread, deliberate use of the term "alien" which, mind you, is just
an awkward English translation for the term 外国人.

As I can not confirm the "great wave of unhappiness" he talks about among
my fellow players, I presume it's just a sock stirring up some intercontinental
hate to calm his own childish frustration; especially since Japanese servers
are experiencing exactly the same problems atm.


Yea Rinsui, i believe you sit beside me in reality. The way you speak, are you trying to show your full of wisdom or what. Your assumptions are just going to get you into trouble. I know your here seeking drama but there's no place for you on that. Anyway, to cut the chase short, you've been reported.


Thank you Rinsui for a sensible assessment of commentary on JP forums that has been supported by others who speak Japanese. I am not sure why your contribution was reported but I have done what I can using the rating arrows.

As for Uchida, trying to incite racial hatred is a terrible thing whatever tools you use to do so. Lying about things to try to stir people up is the very definition of trolling. You can report me too if you like but I have seen enough debates in this community to know that intolerance is not accepted by most of the people who post here.

In the last few weeks I have seen this community speak out several times against racism and homophobia - you will likely fail if you come to make trouble.
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#30Uchida, Posted: Aug 28 2013 at 3:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) From the times of FFXI Allakahzam to now, FFXIV Zam, this forums has always been the trolling capital. It's known worldwide, why do you think there are other forums set up if this places' background from before wasn't stained. I was merely trying to point out what what i received in reply from the opinions of Japanese. If you don't like it or don't believe, you don't have to comment but if your itching for some drama like what Rinsui is up to, then by all means, go ahead and comment. And i don't have to waste my time on you either for reporting. You reflect from a juvenile's point of view.
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If overcrowding were an issue their servers would be locked just like ours.

Most likely there is some intercontinental heat and friction but eh I can log in just fine to EU so I'm busy playing there. >.>
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i bet they would be even less happy if they couldn`t play the game they paid for, you know, like many US/EU server players

and its funny seeing they talk about patience when i heard about a level 42 player on JP servers(rushrushrush, so patient)

Edited, Aug 28th 2013 6:27am by MitArgento
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If overcrowding were an issue their servers would be locked just like ours.

Most likely there is some intercontinental heat and friction but eh I can log in just fine to EU so I'm busy playing there. >.>

Newsflash: Right now 19:45 local time JP, Japanese servers, contrary to the NA/EU ones, are inaccessible.
Dammit, did you guys even try to log in to a JP server?! Right now, JP prime time? It's hopeless, so don't
disseminate nonsense about how everything is fine and dandy here!

P.S.: If someone could tell me how to take a screenshot in the world selection window, I'll post it.

Edited, Aug 28th 2013 6:50am by Rinsui
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I'm amazed they haven't locked JP servers, this could hurt them quite badly.

A lot of JP players wanted seperate servers just for this reason, if they are coming over to theirs it will cause a lot of annoyance.
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Last time I checked the servers weren't JP only. /shrug. When people buy a game, they typically want to play it.


No, but there were at least 3 different topics on the official forums titled "Let's bombard the JP servers and crash them!"

I would wager a guess that the people a majority of NA players are not the nicest lot when on these temporary homes.
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Uchida wrote:
I spoke to quite a few of my friends, and their friends. But they all seem to come to the same answer. They are downright not happy at all that their servers have seen such a huge increase of foreigners. They know there were ongoing problems, aware of the fact with the NA/EU server issues but they are wondering why the foreigners or aliens who invaded their servers in such large drastic numbers have no patience till the servers on their side of the world gets fixed.


"Why don't they stay where they belong?" is a tale as old as time.

If they want "their" servers back then they need to pressure S-E to focus on increasing NA/EU capacity. I wouldn't expect a lot of Euros to go back to NA though, because why would they?
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Rinsui wrote:
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If overcrowding were an issue their servers would be locked just like ours.

Most likely there is some intercontinental heat and friction but eh I can log in just fine to EU so I'm busy playing there. >.>

Newsflash: Right now 19:45 local time JP, Japanese servers, contrary to the NA/EU ones, are inaccessible.
Dammit, did you guys even try to log in to a JP server?! Right now, JP prime time? It's hopeless, so don't
disseminate nonsense about how everything is fine and dandy here!

P.S.: If someone could tell me how to take a screenshot in the world selection window, I'll post it.

Edited, Aug 28th 2013 6:50am by Rinsui


Right now it's 7:03 AM CST, and I can't get into NA servers.

The lack of a queue and the lack of an idle log off means people are now camped on the server 24/7.
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I did camp on the Ultros server this morning so I could play tonight, unlike last night when I couldn't play at all.

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Maybe the JP players should pay better attention to the storyline in Ul'Dah and be nicer to the refugees.
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#40 Aug 28 2013 at 6:32 AM Rating: Excellent
These generalizations are so ridiculous. It's like that anywhere in the world, you have jerks and you have nice folk. I've been to Japan, and had a great time there, 99% of the people I met were nice and helpful if need be. It's like any big city of visit, I could probably go to New York and get treated like an *** by one or two people, but the rest will be helpful.
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